It's time to prove who the very best is!
GB Pokemon League Archive
@goranp: I think best of 3 is a really good idea, though it might cause some repetitive battles. Perhaps if people could name a team of 7, with one poke acting as a 'flex' that can be swapped in for the second battle, or would that just overcomplicate things?
Otherwise I think the rules for the first season were good. Makes sense to be a little loose with tiers until things have settled down a bit. Tier specific tournaments would be cool in future though.
Final thought: a secondary cup for people knocked out in the first round might be a good way for people still learning the ropes of competitive battling [such as myself and many others who expressed interest when the idea of a tournament was first floated] to get a bit more experience. Alternatively, once a few more of these have happened and it becomes clear who the big names are, there could be separate tournaments for beginners and vets.
I do think best of 3 is a good plan, however I'm also worried about battles being a bit repetitive. Rather than having a seventh pokemon, would the trainers be allowed to change items and reorder their party between battles? That might make things pretty interesting.
Based on your feedback thus far, here's what I'm thinking so far.
- Double elimination tournament (so there is a loser's bracket). Matches are best of 3.
- You still have to register your 6 Pokeduders, but you can register up to 3 subs. Once you put in a sub, the outgoing Pokemon is inactive for the rest of battles during that match. So say you win game 1, make 3 subs for game 2 and lose that game. In game 3, you have to stick with your game 2 team because of this rule. I think this could be interesting because it could add to some really high risk/high reward and high tension moments. It would also keep things fresh and dynamic.
- Yes you can reorder your party, no you cannot change the items as they are registered to your Pokedude.
What do you guys think? If there is general agreement I could set up the next season within a few minutes and get sign ups going.
@goranp: I think that if we're going with substitute Pokemon, that only the loser of the previous match should be allowed to substitute. This is just my opinion, but I think what's cool about best of 3 is that it allows the loser to rethink his strategy against the opponents team and get a second opportunity. If the winner can switch too then it would be kind of random. Know what I mean?
I don't know how I feel about best of 3 matches. Especially when you have games like when I got stomped by Milkman. No substitutes I could have put in would have made a substantial difference, the gulf in skill was too wide. I think just one match with a winners and losers bracket would flow a smoother.
I think best of 3 is probably a good thing.
In a single match, it's easy to get discouraged if things start to go bad and you know you don't have another shot. This could cause you to make poor decisions and lose a game you might have come back from. Also, it would at least mitigate certain things. Like when that Focus Blast missed in the finals. That was pretty big and the battle might have been different if it had hit. I do see what DarthOrange is saying though. In some cases, if you lose very convincingly, it can make you even just give up the second game.
I also agree that it would be interesting if you could only substitute after losing. Though I could also see that making it even harder to win if you sub wrong. I guess that's part of the risk.
Being unable to change the items is also smart. For one, usually you build a Pokemon to hold a specific item, so switching it would be weird. But it would also invite too much of a random element if at any point I can swap my Choice items around. Even doing something like switching a Choice Band onto my Dragon Dance Dragonite. It makes no sense. The other guy has no idea and could get wrecked by something silly like that. It's true that in a real match you don't know what item the other Pokemon is holding, so you need to be careful, but this is the second match. You can't forget that I used Dragon Dance the battle before, so you wouldn't be prepared.
Anyway, that's just my two cents.
Best of 3 makes a lot of sense to me. Double elimination is fine, but I don't know if that becomes too unwieldy if a lot of people sign up. I think it would be better to allow more people into a single elimination bracket rather than less into a double elimination one, but if its the same number either way double is good with me.
The idea of subs is cool. Has there been any discussion on Mega Evos? It seems like a lot of them are on par with Legendaries in terms of power, so I wouldn't be opposed to counting them out. Then again its a new mechanic for X/Y so people probably want to use it.
I think Mega Evos are fine. There are a few specific things that limit them from being as strong as legendaries. Usually not all their stats go up and they don't benefit from their new speed on the first turn. Also, they don't get to hold items, which limits them. I think a big tell is that none of the matches I watched were really won or lost BECAUSE of mega evolutions. They were there, but they didn't completely overpower the other team. Then again, I have a mega, so I'm biased, heheh.
I'm also curious about whether you pick 6 from the 9 in the first battle or just have a dedicated 6 that you can sub. Both ways lead to pretty different strategies. I feel like being able to pick any 6 at the start kind of defeats the purpose though, because you might end up just picking the team you would sub in anyway.
@goranp: the rule about having 1 of a held item in your party, does that include mega stones? despite them being named differently they are still at the end of the day the same item.
i have just signed up and i will send over my draft soon ( I'm training up 2 pokemon right now and i want to be sure there ready before i put them up for battle)
@lord_canti: I think this problem is mitigated somewhat by the fact that you can only use one mega evolution per battle, though that does give megastones a degree of unpredictability that other held items don't have. I guess whether it's a problem or not depends on whether you think that this unpredictability provides a greater advantage than a second item would. I'm inclined to say that it doesn't, though, full disclosure: there are two megastones in my total party of nine as things stand now.
Why wasn't a new thread made for Season 2? Anyway, I am signed up. I hope we see some more people, I have only had time to train 3 Pokemon since the last season so I don't expect to do any better than last time.
As for substitutions, do we have to quit the match, switch out our pokemon, then invite the other person again to fight or is there a way to do it in between battles?
I knew that dragonite would be the win or lose. That lum berry saved him both rounds because my alomomola burned you. Then the last round the point where I lost was when you figured out you should dragon dance once, then use fire punch on skarmory. At that point I had to switch to my chansey and start defence curling and minimizing, because skarmory too low health. I was just hoping for no crit so I could take the dragon out but sure enough... crit with an earthquake.
Possibly I should of stayed in an extra round with blissey so I could predict you switching to dragonite and toxic him. Those two were the only way he could of died. Other than that I could of just swapped in ditto on the second or third match, let you set up and kill one of my pokemon and send in ditto to sweep your team.
This edit will also create new pages on Giant Bomb for:Beware, you are proposing to add brand new pages to the wiki along with your edits. Make sure this is what you intended. This will likely increase the time it takes for your changes to go live.
Comment and Save
Until you earn 1000 points all your submissions need to be vetted by other Giant Bomb users. This process takes no more than a few hours and we'll send you an email once approved.