" @RsistncE: Raise awareness?? You mean... like I am doing right now?  The naivete of your argument continues through to your last response. The overriding principle that all publicly traded corporations have is to maximize return to their investors. This supersedes all other priorities, including concerns for social well being and obeying the law. Corporations will break the law if it is cheaper for them to do so. Corporations do *not* have transparency. The corporate structure is the least democratic on the planet, which is why the system is constantly at odds with that of the constitutional democracy.   Is it transparent that GM decided to not tell anyone that it saved them $6.19 per automobile if it allowed 500 fired fed fatalities occur each yeah as a result of a repairable defect? (The equation in the memo read like this: [500 fatalities x $200,000/fatality] / 41, 000, 000 automobiles = $2.40/automobile) Is it transparent that Enron created fake shell corporations that it was able to offload its debt into in order to falsify their share price? Is it equally transparent that Enron traders purposely shut down power plants in California in order to create an artificial shortage of electricity as a means of driving up the price? These examples are drops in the wave pool.   Despite the picture you attempt to paint, it does not --in fact-- invalidate the argument I am trying to make simply because I ride the bus (vehicles which consume fuel, which is sold by large conglomerates, and owned by other financial conglomerates, that might own other factories in third world countries that do not properly compensate or protect their workers). Do not believe for a second that because a law exists that you will be able to fully find the information you seek (for example, we CAN'T find out who donated money to the prop 8 campaign, as organizations like Card's had the court block the list from FOI requests).  "

I'm actually bit confused about the issue.  
Is the authors view on this subject apparent through his fiction? Isn't that the minimum requirement for any accusation, that they are trying to push an agenda through their game? 
I've not read the book and it's not likely I do, so I don't know if this is the case or not. 
... And even if the agenda is apparent in the book - It's certainly not apparent in Shadow Complex.
 
I recently saw a movie on Shakespeare's "The Merchant of Venice" and that script came off extremely  anti semitic. So much so, that I figure that Shakespeare himself was anti semitic. 
Knowing that should I now disregard everything else Shakespeare has ever made? 
 
I think my point is: Why care about who wrote the message, if the message in itself is alright. 

" @RsistncE: You, again, have clearly mistaken what I am saying.  Gay marriage is not a federal concern.  As far as "federal" is concerned, this is one nation under God.  That means marriage, FEDERALLY, is defined as a man and a woman.  However, I don't believe the federal government has the right to disallow gay marriage at the state level.  I believe it is up to individual states to decide whether they will allow gay marriage.  Here's an example for your understanding purposes, since I obviously haven't been clear enough thus far (and this is purely example):  California allows gay marriage.  Nevada doesn't.  This means that at the state level, gay married couples in the state of California are allowed to take advantage of state laws that deal with being married, including tax breaks, state government assistance, etc.  They are not allowed to take advantage of federal laws, however, as marriage is defined as a man and woman at a federal level.  If this gay couple were to move to Nevada, their marriage would not be recognized at the state level.  The reason?  Mormons don't agree with gay marriage, and the majority is Mormon.  That's all hypothetical, but does THAT get the point across?  Gay marriage is not something for the federal government to mingle with.  It's a nation formed under the eyes of God, whether you like it or not.  It's something that needs to be decided at the state level.  As for your issues with religion and stating "The majority of the US population also is Christian and believes in God. Newflash: it seems that the majority of the US population is fucking retarded":  you are trying to preach about the beliefs and rights of one group of people...yet you are condemning another group of people for their beliefs and rights?  o.O  You know what's funny about the "Christians" that people always end up bringing up in these kinds of arguments?  I don't know any of them.  The Christians that I know understand what the Bible preaches:  love one another, even in sin.  Even if you absolutely hate the person and don't agree with their beliefs, still love them.  That's what it truly means to be a Christian:  love regardless.  Just because you love, however, does not mean you need to agree.  Rather, what you are referring to as "Christians" are extremists, who want every word of the Bible literally translated.  Christian belief does say that homosexuality is a sin, but it never says ANYTHING about "hey, if someone is gay, stone the shit out of them, beat them, kill them, murder them, rape them, blah blah blah".  I'm sorry that a religious belief structure doesn't support the idea of homosexuality, but that's not my decision.  Nonetheless, my parents are Christians, a lot of my good friends are Christians, and not a single one of them hates gay people in the way that you portray it.  They do what a good and true Christian would do:  love that person.  Unfortunately, the radicals are the only thing ANYONE pays attention to... "

" @RsistncE: The problem many have is that they continue to view our nation as one of liberty.  Liberty died long ago.  Your personal freedoms were traded in the minute that the Civil War hit...and the minute that the L.A. race riots hit...and the minute that illegal immigration skyrocketed...and the minute that the Oklahoma City bombings hit...and the minute that Mount Carmel burned to the ground...and the minute that so many things happened in this country that it was quickly realized this could no longer be a nation "by the people"...because the people are stark raving fucking mad!  Look, don't get me wrong.  I'm a Republican by heart, so I already want less federal government.  however, you are arguing equality.  If you really want to argue equality, then let's argue this:  why can't a 12-year-old go to a convenience store and buy a six pack of Bud?  You'll say 'well, because he's underage"...but wait, we have a document in this country that says everyone is created equally, right?  In most traditions, a 12-year-old is old enough to be a KING...and yet we won't allow him to drink alcohol?  Well, it steps on the toes of some other folks who happen to make up a thing called the MAJORITY.  In this country, which is a democracy, the MAJORITY rules.  In turn, the MAJORITY of people...don't support gay marriage.  It's a tough-titty kind of fact, but nonetheless...it's tough-titty.  At the state level, I have no problem with gay marriage.  However, when a country is considered as one nation under GOD...then that means that as a NATION, gay marriage is defined as a man and a woman.  There have been few times in our nation's history where the minority was the victor, with emancipation being the big one.  Nonetheless, you don't see us housing gay people in shacks across the nation and forcing them to pick cotton.  Therefore, if the worst thing they have to talk about is how they can't get married and they get picked on all the time for their sexual preferences...OH, BOO-HOO!!!  I got picked on in school, and no one to this day can STILL give me a reason why.  Natural order of life.  Sometimes, people are just unwilling to realize that their lifestyle choices don't reward them.  P.S. - I don't support hate crimes.  Muthafucker should burn for that shit. "

" @Dethfish77: If everything were limited strictly to video games, then it would get boring. "

Why can't we ever just talk about video games? There's always some political or religious argument going on it seems. Nothing good ever comes of it. You guys could argue forever or until this is locked and nobody's opinion on the matter would change. 

" @Spike94: That's arguable. If a grown man believes in Santa Clause most people would think he was insane. It baffles me that many people don't realize the same thing applies to people who believe in an invisible omnipotent man floating in the sky. But I digress, after all this isn't a debate on the legitimacy of god or religion.  I have no issue with you believing what you want. Also I never said the beliefs you're trying to impose on others are as bad as human rights violations I'm saying the thinking is along the same lines: suppression of ones ability to do what they want with their life as long as it's not hurting anyone. I'm simply saying that no one, not me, not you, not anyone, has the right to tell someone what they can or can't do with their life. Regardless of whether or not their uber powerful imaginary deity told them to. "

Fuck Scott Card, fuck stupid tards that think anyone in the gay community should not get married together, I challenge to a duel in my front yard, I live in Canada Labrador, come find me.

Here's the thing people seem to forget about marriage:  it is only a social institution if it is contained to a single area, i.e - a state.  Once you go over the boundaries of that area, it is no longer an institution of society, but instead an institution of religious belief, cultural belief, etc.  In turn, the United States of America...a COLLECTION of states...defines marriage as a man and a woman.  Whether someone likes that or not, that's too bad.  It's one nation under GOD...and whether you like religion or not, the religious beliefs behind GOD is that homosexuality is a sin.  While specific states may or may not allow gay marriage, that doesn't mean the FEDERAL side of it has to be the same.  People will constantly preach "but what about freedom" and they don't realize that even freedom has to have rules to keep the order, or otherwise they would realize that freedom...TRUE freedom...is merely chaos renamed.
 
I'm not saying that I agree with it.  I'm saying that I understand the ideas of respecting the boundaries of someone else's property.  Nonetheless, the gay community and the bigots against them will continually be at "war" over this shit.  I don't personally give a damn.  Love who you want.  I'm not one to define what love is, and neither is anyone else.  The government doesn't define what "love" is.  They define what the union of two people is.  Deal with it. 
 
As for Orson Scott Card's comments...ZOMG, SOMEONE HAD AN OPINION OVER THE INTERWEBZ?!  Whatever.  Dood writes great novels, so I'll continue to read them.  This game looks pretty fucking awesome, and so I'll buy it too.  If he made a game where you have to beat and rape gay people, I wouldn't buy it.  That would be a different story entirely.

Regardless of what you're buying, it's very likely that a fraction of the money you pay will go to someone you dislike(directly or indirectly). Are you just going to stop buying stuff altogether? 
 
The game is great -- buy it, enjoy it. Sure, some of your money might go to Scott, but you're also supporting a great game development team.

" @Spike94 said:

Though that's a good point, I just don't believe anyone other than a woman and man should marry. Civil partnerships or a legal thing equal to it, fine. It is just marriage that I have an issue with. I'm sure you understand I don't have anything against gays or anything, just them getting joined together in marriage. I care because I believe God cares as well.And remove that "apparently". ;)  Thanks again for the replies and such, good discussion, good discussion. If you want to continue this via PMs, we can, or still on this thread. Either way is fine with me, but I just feel like we should spare people the walls of text. "

Well... I didn't want this forum to go this way, but I will say this one thing on this issue.  I personally don't care what the churches want to call that union. Call it whatever you like. I only care about what are governments call them. These unions must be ratified and registered by our governments, and it is what *these* unions are called is what matters. What we call a union between heterosexual couples, and homosexual couples (in order for them to actually be equal) need to carry the same title and be covered by the same laws. As far as I'm concerned this is not a religious issue, it is a social issue. It is up to the churches and their members to decide what they want to do about it. I, as a citizen of my country, am concerned about what *that* process is. "

" @Spike94 said:

" @xyzygy said:

" @Spike94 said:

" @Tebbit said:

"Uh oh, this thread is going to bad places quickly...  My own two cents: I think you should buy the game, then send Orson Scott Card a letter explaining what a dork he is.  Also, why do some of you people oppose gay marriage? What if it was called something else, like oh, I don't know, a civil union, but was otherwise exactly the same? It just seems to me that so long as people arn't axe murderers or pedophiles, they should have the same rights as anyone else... "

I oppose it for religious reasons and stuff. Me and a couple other gentlemen (or ladies, perhaps?) discussed it a good deal. And I assume by "exactly the same" you mean legally. As far as civil unions go, that's fine, I suppose. Have a nice day. :) "

But if YOU are not homosexual yourself, why do you care? Shouldn't you just let people do what they want? The human race isn't going to die out because of it, unlike the wrath or Judgement that "God" is apparently gonna bring. "

Though that's a good point, I just don't believe anyone other than a woman and man should marry. Civil partnerships or a legal thing equal to it, fine. It is just marriage that I have an issue with. I'm sure you understand I don't have anything against gays or anything, just them getting joined together in marriage. I care because I believe God cares as well.And remove that "apparently". ;)  Thanks again for the replies and such, good discussion, good discussion. If you want to continue this via PMs, we can, or still on this thread. Either way is fine with me, but I just feel like we should spare people the walls of text. "

You have no place in telling people what they can and can't do. Not only that but God has specifically told Christians NOT to pursue their own "natural" justice.  Romans 12:19  Vengeance will be mine saith the lord.  That's pretty damn clear. Besides even outside of the moronic religious debate (since when is religion anything BUT moronic?) no one has any right to tell what someone can and can't do. If you want to be able to do that go to China or the myriad of Middle Eastern countries that suppress basic human rights. In the sacred words of Rage Against the Machine, "FUCK YOU I WON'T DO WHAT YOU TELL ME." "

Though that's a good point, I just don't believe anyone other than a woman and man should marry. Civil partnerships or a legal thing equal to it, fine. It is just marriage that I have an issue with. I'm sure you understand I don't have anything against gays or anything, just them getting joined together in marriage. I care because I believe God cares as well.And remove that "apparently". ;)  Thanks again for the replies and such, good discussion, good discussion. If you want to continue this via PMs, we can, or still on this thread. Either way is fine with me, but I just feel like we should spare people the walls of text. "

Although Card is a crazy fucking douche nozzle, this debate overall is quite stupid. Sure Card is mental and want's to suppress people's rights. Sure you might be putting money in his pocket (from what I hear the IP is Chair's so common sense dictates that he would get nothing from the game but that's not the point of contention here anyways). Don't you already put money in the hands of evil motherfuckers everyday though just by buying normal day to day product?
 
I guarantee you everyone, including all the gay people who are all pissy about this game, buys product in which all or part of the purchase value goes into the hands of some asshole who is morally disagreeable. So what about them? Why don't you stop buying product from them also? Fact is until you're willing to actually go all the way and do this, being selective and just choosing certain things you want to boycott either because it's easy or it specifically effects you is bullshit. It's complete and utter bullshit.
 
Not really sure what else I can say about it than that.

Why should they feel like they're succumbing to him, its not like by respecting his work they are respecting his belief. I mean there is no doubt Card has written some great novels, his beliefs against same sex marriage don't change the quality of his work. I don't see how you can lump respecting someone for their talent/work must mean you respect their personal opinions (When the opinions are absent in the work). As to the funding part, the organizations trying to get same sex marriage past across the country have more money backing them than the opposition ever will. I happen to be from New Hampshire, where sadly 80%ish of the people are against same sex marriage, but with enough money behind it same sex marriage was past rather easily. Give it 10 years and I bet almost all if not all states will have legalized same sex marriage, not such a big thing to worry about. "

" @xyzygy said:

" @Spike94 said:

" @Tebbit said:

"Uh oh, this thread is going to bad places quickly...  My own two cents: I think you should buy the game, then send Orson Scott Card a letter explaining what a dork he is.  Also, why do some of you people oppose gay marriage? What if it was called something else, like oh, I don't know, a civil union, but was otherwise exactly the same? It just seems to me that so long as people arn't axe murderers or pedophiles, they should have the same rights as anyone else... "

I oppose it for religious reasons and stuff. Me and a couple other gentlemen (or ladies, perhaps?) discussed it a good deal. And I assume by "exactly the same" you mean legally. As far as civil unions go, that's fine, I suppose. Have a nice day. :) "

But if YOU are not homosexual yourself, why do you care? Shouldn't you just let people do what they want? The human race isn't going to die out because of it, unlike the wrath or Judgement that "God" is apparently gonna bring. "

Though that's a good point, I just don't believe anyone other than a woman and man should marry. Civil partnerships or a legal thing equal to it, fine. It is just marriage that I have an issue with. I'm sure you understand I don't have anything against gays or anything, just them getting joined together in marriage. I care because I believe God cares as well.And remove that "apparently". ;)  Thanks again for the replies and such, good discussion, good discussion. If you want to continue this via PMs, we can, or still on this thread. Either way is fine with me, but I just feel like we should spare people the walls of text. "

I've run into situations like this before.  Card definitely seems like an asshole psycho, but there are other game industry developers I've tried to avoid giving money to.
 
In the case of Shadow Complex, try to think of how much money Card will actually get, probably not an extreme amount.  You'll mostly be paying Chair and Epic.  Odds are MS will even get more of the money than Card.  Still, take some other actions.
 
Maybe write to Card in a civil manner, write to Chair / Epic and tell them you're unhappy with Card's involvement.  Donate to groups you support...

Are you really going to let this get under your skin? It's one of the best XBLA games available. So if there was one guy who helped make District 9 that disagreed with gay marriage, are you not going to see it?

" @Spike94 said:

" @Tebbit said:

"Uh oh, this thread is going to bad places quickly...  My own two cents: I think you should buy the game, then send Orson Scott Card a letter explaining what a dork he is.  Also, why do some of you people oppose gay marriage? What if it was called something else, like oh, I don't know, a civil union, but was otherwise exactly the same? It just seems to me that so long as people arn't axe murderers or pedophiles, they should have the same rights as anyone else... "

I oppose it for religious reasons and stuff. Me and a couple other gentlemen (or ladies, perhaps?) discussed it a good deal. And I assume by "exactly the same" you mean legally. As far as civil unions go, that's fine, I suppose. Have a nice day. :) "

But if YOU are not homosexual yourself, why do you care? Shouldn't you just let people do what they want? The human race isn't going to die out because of it, unlike the wrath or Judgement that "God" is apparently gonna bring. "

" @Tebbit said:

"Uh oh, this thread is going to bad places quickly...  My own two cents: I think you should buy the game, then send Orson Scott Card a letter explaining what a dork he is.  Also, why do some of you people oppose gay marriage? What if it was called something else, like oh, I don't know, a civil union, but was otherwise exactly the same? It just seems to me that so long as people arn't axe murderers or pedophiles, they should have the same rights as anyone else... "

I oppose it for religious reasons and stuff. Me and a couple other gentlemen (or ladies, perhaps?) discussed it a good deal. And I assume by "exactly the same" you mean legally. As far as civil unions go, that's fine, I suppose. Have a nice day. :) "

"Uh oh, this thread is going to bad places quickly...  My own two cents: I think you should buy the game, then send Orson Scott Card a letter explaining what a dork he is.  Also, why do some of you people oppose gay marriage? What if it was called something else, like oh, I don't know, a civil union, but was otherwise exactly the same? It just seems to me that so long as people arn't axe murderers or pedophiles, they should have the same rights as anyone else... "

" @Spike94: Unfortunately domestic partnerships do not include as many legal benefits/rights as marriage does, hence desire for same-sex marriage. "

Uh oh, this thread is going to bad places quickly... 
 
My own two cents: I think you should buy the game, then send Orson Scott Card a letter explaining what a dork he is. 
 
Also, why do some of you people oppose gay marriage? What if it was called something else, like oh, I don't know, a civil union, but was otherwise exactly the same? 
It just seems to me that so long as people arn't axe murderers or pedophiles, they should have the same rights as anyone else...

From what I've heard, Empire the book that the game is based off of, is pretty much right wing fantasy trash. The book brings up the idea of warning how the the dangers polarization of politics can lead to civil war. 
 
Card is of course, uber-right wing, so you could imagine what political viewpoint he decided to demonize. 
 
From wikipedia:
 

Literary significance and reception

The novel's political stance has received both praise and derision. Booklist commended the novel for being "heartfelt and sobering" and expressed approval for "the author's message about the dangers of extreme political polarization and the need to reassert moderation and mutual citizenship". Other critics were less favourable. "Right-wing rhetoric trumps the logic of story and character in this (...) implausibly plotted departure from Card’s bestselling science fiction," wrote Publishers Weekly. Library Journal assessed the novel as "entertaining, though not one of Card's best efforts", and expressed reservations about its tendency to "lean heavily to the right" and sound "more like social commentary than fiction". In Locus, Gary K. Wolfe faulted the novel for constructing a world where "insanity is mostly the province of liberalism" and compared the characters and dialogue to " Mattel action figures" and "bumper stickers and political-convention applause lines". He also dismissed its afterword's claim of impartiality as a false centrism.

In addition, the novel has received praise for its action. Booklist characterized it as a "relentless thriller", praising its plot and pacing: "Intriguing plot wrinkles come fore and aft of those basic developments, there are many deftly shaped supporting players, and major shocks explode in a split second (...) Moreover, all the action doesn't obscure the author's message (...); indeed, it drives it home." Entertainment Weekly praised the story as a "blistering read" in which "Card plots hard-boiled action just as well as Tom Clancy, and layers in character detail and dialogue you'll never find in a Jack Ryan novel".

" @Spike94 said:

" @Sabata said:

" @Spike94 said:

" @Sabata said:

"Isn't the name "Gaygaymer" kinda redundant?  Shoulda gone with "Gaygamer" or "Gaymer."  Also: religious people who think marriage was a religious thing first are fucking stupid. "

Humph! Excuse me sir or madam, how horribly rude! Stupid I am not. I have my own convictions, I ask you to respect me for them... I love gay people no less then I love straight people but I feel marriage is between a woman and man...yes, my reasons have to do with God, but calling me effing stupid for it is, in itself, stupid...I like Mr. Card.Have a fine day. :D P.S. Seriously, if I get skewered for my beliefs then fine...I doubt that'll happen on GB, though, but I guess I am about to find out >.< Hope you all have a tremendous evening/morning/what have you. "

No, really, if you honestly believe that marriage is a thing that should be controlled by your religion, then yes, you are fucking stupid.  Do you think that your religion is the only one in which people get married?  Did you ever think that people of other religions and cultures get married too?  Some even *GASP* get married without having any religion at all!  However, if you simply feel like marriage between two people of the same sex is wrong, then that is your opinion and I cannot call you fucking stupid for that.   "

Ah, I see what you are saying, but do you have to be so...rude, I suppose? Anywho. I never said Christianity (my religion) was the only way two people could get married (not saying you said I did, just stating). As far as it being controlled by religion goes, I don't think you understand what I believe. But anyways: I do believe marriage was created by God. As far as two, let's say for example, atheists, getting married goes, yes, that's a marriage.And thank you, as I can not call you stupid either. Have a fine day and thank you for the reply. :D "

I find it rather disheartening that there can exist a god that would rather see two people of different sexes who don't believe in him (and may even shun his name)  get married than see two people of the same sex who might be religious get married. 
 
My point in all this is that marriage should not be solely a religious practice.  Homosexuals simply want to have the same marital rights that heterosexual people have; they don't want the churches to go "Come on in guys!" and marry them.  I doubt many of them care if religious people don't think of them as truly married just as long as the government does. "

Whatever, the game is freaking stellar so I really don't care. This Card guy (I've never heard of him before this post) can think what he wants about gay marriage even if his views are retarded.

" @Spike94 said:

" @Sabata said:

" @Spike94 said:

" @Sabata said:

"Isn't the name "Gaygaymer" kinda redundant?  Shoulda gone with "Gaygamer" or "Gaymer."  Also: religious people who think marriage was a religious thing first are fucking stupid. "

Humph! Excuse me sir or madam, how horribly rude! Stupid I am not. I have my own convictions, I ask you to respect me for them... I love gay people no less then I love straight people but I feel marriage is between a woman and man...yes, my reasons have to do with God, but calling me effing stupid for it is, in itself, stupid...I like Mr. Card.Have a fine day. :D P.S. Seriously, if I get skewered for my beliefs then fine...I doubt that'll happen on GB, though, but I guess I am about to find out >.< Hope you all have a tremendous evening/morning/what have you. "

No, really, if you honestly believe that marriage is a thing that should be controlled by your religion, then yes, you are fucking stupid.  Do you think that your religion is the only one in which people get married?  Did you ever think that people of other religions and cultures get married too?  Some even *GASP* get married without having any religion at all!  However, if you simply feel like marriage between two people of the same sex is wrong, then that is your opinion and I cannot call you fucking stupid for that.   "

Ah, I see what you are saying, but do you have to be so...rude, I suppose? Anywho. I never said Christianity (my religion) was the only way two people could get married (not saying you said I did, just stating). As far as it being controlled by religion goes, I don't think you understand what I believe. But anyways: I do believe marriage was created by God. As far as two, let's say for example, atheists, getting married goes, yes, that's a marriage.And thank you, as I can not call you stupid either. Have a fine day and thank you for the reply. :D "

Wow, you totally avoided his reply blatently right there. LOL. How could "God" create marriage, if the two people who are getting married are not followers of "God" and do not acknowledge his existence? What if THEY believe that Allah (I don't even know what religion that God is from) created Marriage? "

" @Sabata said:

" @Spike94 said:

" @Sabata said:

"Isn't the name "Gaygaymer" kinda redundant?  Shoulda gone with "Gaygamer" or "Gaymer."  Also: religious people who think marriage was a religious thing first are fucking stupid. "

Humph! Excuse me sir or madam, how horribly rude! Stupid I am not. I have my own convictions, I ask you to respect me for them... I love gay people no less then I love straight people but I feel marriage is between a woman and man...yes, my reasons have to do with God, but calling me effing stupid for it is, in itself, stupid...I like Mr. Card.Have a fine day. :D P.S. Seriously, if I get skewered for my beliefs then fine...I doubt that'll happen on GB, though, but I guess I am about to find out >.< Hope you all have a tremendous evening/morning/what have you. "

No, really, if you honestly believe that marriage is a thing that should be controlled by your religion, then yes, you are fucking stupid.  Do you think that your religion is the only one in which people get married?  Did you ever think that people of other religions and cultures get married too?  Some even *GASP* get married without having any religion at all!  However, if you simply feel like marriage between two people of the same sex is wrong, then that is your opinion and I cannot call you fucking stupid for that.   "

Ah, I see what you are saying, but do you have to be so...rude, I suppose? Anywho. I never said Christianity (my religion) was the only way two people could get married (not saying you said I did, just stating). As far as it being controlled by religion goes, I don't think you understand what I believe. But anyways: I do believe marriage was created by God. As far as two, let's say for example, atheists, getting married goes, yes, that's a marriage.And thank you, as I can not call you stupid either. Have a fine day and thank you for the reply. :D "

"@Spike94 said:

"

I would like to start off my thanking you for being so civil and friendly. =)

And ah, but that is where I can say two names I think we all...may have heard of? Adam and Eve. Granted that'll only change your mind if you believe that, like I do.

For argument's sake, I'll think about what you pointed out though, for a second. That is certainly a good point, for starters. Before religion (again, rolling with what you said), did anyone get married, though? Yes, be together. Yes, socailize. But not marriage itself, if you get me. And as far as two male cavemen go, dude, I haven't the slightest. 
Thanks for the reply. Pleasure to chat with you.

"

But wouldn't you agree with me now that Marriage has become more of a legal thing? I mean, for some, it's all about money. If people get divorced, how is it "just" that someone can take a share of the others money? How is a piece of paper that says, "OK, you two can be 'Married'" Religious? I thought religion was about spiritualism, not legally bound satuses. "

" @Sabata said:

" @Spike94 said:

" @Sabata said:

"Isn't the name "Gaygaymer" kinda redundant?  Shoulda gone with "Gaygamer" or "Gaymer."  Also: religious people who think marriage was a religious thing first are fucking stupid. "

Humph! Excuse me sir or madam, how horribly rude! Stupid I am not. I have my own convictions, I ask you to respect me for them... I love gay people no less then I love straight people but I feel marriage is between a woman and man...yes, my reasons have to do with God, but calling me effing stupid for it is, in itself, stupid...I like Mr. Card.Have a fine day. :D P.S. Seriously, if I get skewered for my beliefs then fine...I doubt that'll happen on GB, though, but I guess I am about to find out >.< Hope you all have a tremendous evening/morning/what have you. "

No, really, if you honestly believe that marriage is a thing that should be controlled by your religion, then yes, you are fucking stupid.  Do you think that your religion is the only one in which people get married?  Did you ever think that people of other religions and cultures get married too?  Some even *GASP* get married without having any religion at all!  However, if you simply feel like marriage between two people of the same sex is wrong, then that is your opinion and I cannot call you fucking stupid for that.   "

Ah, I see what you are saying, but do you have to be so...rude, I suppose? Anywho. I never said Christianity (my religion) was the only way two people could get married (not saying you said I did, just stating). As far as it being controlled by religion goes, I don't think you understand what I believe. But anyways: I do believe marriage was created by God. As far as two, let's say for example, atheists, getting married goes, yes, that's a marriage.And thank you, as I can not call you stupid either. Have a fine day and thank you for the reply. :D "

I think anyone that is really worried about someone with different beliefs getting your money just needs to relax. The sad reality is there are tons of people out there that have pretty twisted views on morality and such. I think that people should buy games, watch movies, buy books, etc. because they want to and they enjoy it. If you go around trying to boycott everything that is in any way connected to homophobia or any other issue, then you would be missing out on quite a bit. It's the sad truth.

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" @Sabata said:

"Isn't the name "Gaygaymer" kinda redundant?  Shoulda gone with "Gaygamer" or "Gaymer."  Also: religious people who think marriage was a religious thing first are fucking stupid. "

Humph! Excuse me sir or madam, how horribly rude! Stupid I am not. I have my own convictions, I ask you to respect me for them... I love gay people no less then I love straight people but I feel marriage is between a woman and man...yes, my reasons have to do with God, but calling me effing stupid for it is, in itself, stupid...I like Mr. Card.Have a fine day. :D P.S. Seriously, if I get skewered for my beliefs then fine...I doubt that'll happen on GB, though, but I guess I am about to find out >.< Hope you all have a tremendous evening/morning/what have you. "

No, really, if you honestly believe that marriage is a thing that should be controlled by your religion, then yes, you are fucking stupid.  Do you think that your religion is the only one in which people get married?  Did you ever think that people of other religions and cultures get married too?  Some even *GASP* get married without having any religion at all!  However, if you simply feel like marriage between two people of the same sex is wrong, then that is your opinion and I cannot call you fucking stupid for that.   "

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I would like to start off my thanking you for being so civil and friendly. =)

And ah, but that is where I can say two names I think we all...may have heard of? Adam and Eve. Granted that'll only change your mind if you believe that, like I do.

For argument's sake, I'll think about what you pointed out though, for a second. That is certainly a good point, for starters. Before religion (again, rolling with what you said), did anyone get married, though? Yes, be together. Yes, socailize. But not marriage itself, if you get me. And as far as two male cavemen go, dude, I haven't the slightest. 
Thanks for the reply. Pleasure to chat with you.

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" @Sabata said:

"Isn't the name "Gaygaymer" kinda redundant?  Shoulda gone with "Gaygamer" or "Gaymer."  Also: religious people who think marriage was a religious thing first are fucking stupid. "

Humph! Excuse me sir or madam, how horribly rude! Stupid I am not. I have my own convictions, I ask you to respect me for them... I love gay people no less then I love straight people but I feel marriage is between a woman and man...yes, my reasons have to do with God, but calling me effing stupid for it is, in itself, stupid...I like Mr. Card.Have a fine day. :D P.S. Seriously, if I get skewered for my beliefs then fine...I doubt that'll happen on GB, though, but I guess I am about to find out >.< Hope you all have a tremendous evening/morning/what have you. "

I would like to start off my thanking you for being so civil and friendly. =)

And ah, but that is where I can say two names I think we all...may have heard of? Adam and Eve. Granted that'll only change your mind if you believe that, like I do.

For argument's sake, I'll think about what you pointed out though, for a second. That is certainly a good point, for starters. Before religion (again, rolling with what you said), did anyone get married, though? Yes, be together. Yes, socailize. But not marriage itself, if you get me. And as far as two male cavemen go, dude, I haven't the slightest. 
Thanks for the reply. Pleasure to chat with you.

" @Sabata said:

"Isn't the name "Gaygaymer" kinda redundant?  Shoulda gone with "Gaygamer" or "Gaymer."  Also: religious people who think marriage was a religious thing first are fucking stupid. "

Humph! Excuse me sir or madam, how horribly rude! Stupid I am not. I have my own convictions, I ask you to respect me for them... I love gay people no less then I love straight people but I feel marriage is between a woman and man...yes, my reasons have to do with God, but calling me effing stupid for it is, in itself, stupid...I like Mr. Card.Have a fine day. :D P.S. Seriously, if I get skewered for my beliefs then fine...I doubt that'll happen on GB, though, but I guess I am about to find out >.< Hope you all have a tremendous evening/morning/what have you. "