Tales of the Abyss was garbage, just sayin'.

Exclusives are just promotion tools

" System exclusives: One of the worst ideas ever conceived. "

" So Tales of Graces is coming exclusively for the Wii this year and for the first time in ages, I'm actually considering buying the Wii so I can play this game. Before this, I've had little to no desires to purchase a Wii other than for purely malevolent purposes. But I absolutely loved Tales of the Abyss and Tales of Vesperia and from the looks of Graces, I will most likely love this game as well. And since most games these days are timed exclusives, it's likely that Graces will come to the 360 and PS3 one of these days (but also most likely quite a while after the Wii release). Unfortunately I'm not a man of patience so there's a 50-75% chance I will  end up buying a Wii so I can play this game ASAP.And then after finishing the game I'll basically be left with a $250 paper weight. I love you Nintendo. "

" @spazmaster666 said:

How about enjoying Wii exclusives without going all "omg I have a Wii I'm turning into a casual" or whatever scares you? Plenty more Wii titles aren't coming to other systems and are just as worthy as a flagship Tales title. I mean, you like Tales, so you'll probably enjoy Arc Rise Fantasia even though it's a different sort of JRPG, then there's Dragon Quest X to look forward to, The Crystal Bearers is another action RPG by Square-Enix, there's Muramasa, the new Silent Hill, and tons more promising titles that will not find their way on other systems, as well as a backlog you've missed, considering most good Wii titles are exclusive. Discover them, let the angst go, have fun playing without silly brick/dust comments >_> "

" @Hamst3r said:

" System exclusives: One of the worst ideas ever conceived. "

I disagree. "

Tales will be worth it.
Almost every Tales has been great.

" @Godwind said:

" @spazmaster666 said:

Traditionally most gamers are not interested in an enhanced port of a video game.  There just happens to be no interest for it.  Okami is one of those rare exceptions where the port to the Wii from the PS2 outsells a port. "

If so, why is Namco releasing Vesperia for PS3? Also even if, say, Vesperia PS3 version only manages to sell half as much as the 360 version, that's still better than not selling any units at all.

@AgentJ:

I didn't own a PS2 until relatively late in its lifespan (I was previously primarily a PC gamer) so I never got around to playing some of the older PS2 games. Plus I finished Vesperia (I had no prior experience with Tales games before Vesperia) before playing Abyss (I mainly got interested in Vesperia because of the Tales of the Abyss anime). I may give Symphonia a try but I don't really have much desire to play older PS2 games these days.
"

" @spazmaster666 said:

" @Godwind said:

" @spazmaster666 said:

Traditionally most gamers are not interested in an enhanced port of a video game.  There just happens to be no interest for it.  Okami is one of those rare exceptions where the port to the Wii from the PS2 outsells a port. "

If so, why is Namco releasing Vesperia for PS3? Also even if, say, Vesperia PS3 version only manages to sell half as much as the 360 version, that's still better than not selling any units at all.

@AgentJ:

I didn't own a PS2 until relatively late in its lifespan (I was previously primarily a PC gamer) so I never got around to playing some of the older PS2 games. Plus I finished Vesperia (I had no prior experience with Tales games before Vesperia) before playing Abyss (I mainly got interested in Vesperia because of the Tales of the Abyss anime). I may give Symphonia a try but I don't really have much desire to play older PS2 games these days.
"

Well its a good thing that Symphonia isnt a PS2 game then : ) Its a gamecube game. It was released on the PS2 in japan only.  "

The majority of games on the Wii don't have high production values

" @spazmaster666 said

No, they need to sell enough units to make a profit.  Lets assume the cost for developing Vesperia for the Xbox360/PS3 game is $20 million dollars.  Each game bought is a profit of $30.  That means they need to sell 670,000 copies to break even.  As it stands, they only have been able to sell half that quota.  If they were to port the game from the Wii to the Xbox360/PS3, it would still take some costs to make an enhanced port.

I don't really know what's goin on in this thread but every time I skimmed the forums I thought your thread title said EXPLOSIVES suck...I was like wtf, he wants a Wii cuz he doesn't like explosives? WHO DOESNT LIKE EXPLOSIVES!? THEY MAKE EXPLOSIONS! Anyway, continue your debate...I'll be going now....

" No one game is EVER worth buying a system for. It's like you said in your opening. When you are done with that game there is nothing left but a very expensive paper weight. "

"Well it goes to logic that publishers would make more money if they released games on multiple consoles. Especially with a "core" game like Graces that probably won't appeal to the majority of the Wii install base (which are probably "casual" gamers) "

" @spazmaster666 said:

"Well it goes to logic that publishers would make more money if they released games on multiple consoles. Especially with a "core" game like Graces that probably won't appeal to the majority of the Wii install base (which are probably "casual" gamers) "

You do realize that Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New world is the best selling Tales of game worldwide this generation, right? "

" @spazmaster666 said:

You do realize that Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New world is the best selling Tales of game worldwide this generation, right? "

" Well the 360 isn't exactly a huge hit in Japan so they were appealing to a limited install base with Vesperia (hence the PS3 version). The fact that that Vesperia sold as well over there as it did was pretty surprising. "

" Also, you do realize that World At War sold a crapton of copies on the Wii, right? "

" @spazmaster666 said:

" Well the 360 isn't exactly a huge hit in Japan so they were appealing to a limited install base with Vesperia (hence the PS3 version). The fact that that Vesperia sold as well over there as it did was pretty surprising. "

I agree, but it outsold Vesperia in the US too. There's definitely a fanbase for the series on Wii as well.

i don't think u should just get the game and thats it. u will just spend $300 + for the game and wii. it would just sit there and u will never play with it again.i don't think $300 would be worth that. my friend had a wii, he bought a couple of games for it. after he beat them it would just glow blue. finally he unplugged it. now it just sits at a uncles house because he sold it to him.

" Well the fact that Wii had double the install base here in the US probably helped. But US sales of JRPGs are never going to constitute the majority of the game sales overall. "

" @spazmaster666 said:

The majority of games on the Wii don't have high production values

The majority of games on any platform that has every existed and will ever exist don't have high production values. Especially on popular systems like the SNES or PS2. "

" i don't think u should just get the game and thats it. u will just spend $300 + for the game and wii. it would just sit there and u will never play with it again.i don't think $300 would be worth that. my friend had a wii, he bought a couple of games for it. after he beat them it would just glow blue. finally he unplugged it. now it just sits at a uncles house because he sold it to him. "

Why can't abyss be released in Europe . I hate region exclusives the most me thinks

first off, love your pic ^^  
and at some points i actually thought of buying a wii for the exclusives.  
i really want to play Murmasa and No More Heroes, but that's probably all that i would buy. 

It won't be worth it for one game, and there's really not much worth playing on the Wii anyway. If you ask me, pretty much all of the Nintendo sequels on the Wii have been disappointing, and dare I say worse than their Gamecube predecessors.

" It won't be worth it for one game, and there's really not much worth playing on the Wii anyway. If you ask me, pretty much all of the Nintendo sequels on the Wii have been disappointing, and dare I say worse than their Gamecube predecessors. "

" @AjayRaz: Is your avatar off the beck anime ? "

" @turbomonkey138 said:

" @AjayRaz: Is your avatar off the beck anime ? "

I'm pretty sure that avatar is from the K-On! anime. Beck: Mongolian Chop Squad is my absolute favorite though "