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That is really interesting. I especially like that second video focusing on his strikes. They really highlight the technique in Big Boss's moves and how easily he really could take these guards down.

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#2  Edited By TruthTellah

The vast majority of what Trump says is either disingenuous nonsense or intolerant invective. It's being humored because, to many outlets, they aren't there to judge. They've fallen into a realm of false objectivity, whereby prejudice and irrationality are treated as potentially as valid as anything else. It's why a CNN anchor can ask a panel of science experts whether a missing airplane was sucked into a wormhole and not bat an eyelash. Absurdity is as valid as it is popular.

Major news outlets see that he is up in the polls, and in modern "objective" news, popularity is validity. They feel an obligation to not question it and just offer "an alternative viewpoint" on any ridiculous thing. So, Trump will continue to talk like a young dictator with pure demagoguery and major news outlets will continue to try to give it the same billing it would give any other thing that is perceived as popular.

As long as false objectivity reigns in news, hate speech and absurdity will be considered as worthy of consideration as anything else.

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@jinoru said:

I hope hope there's some stuff involving The Boss in some way, flash back or whatever.

After listening to those tapes and remembering MGS3, it was just a reaffirmation of how The Boss is probably my favorite character in fiction.

Maybe a secret mission where you play as her a la Pseudo-Historical recreation, kinda fulfilling what Kojima said about The Boss being able to have her own game.

Judging by a quick scene in one of the trailers, I'm guessing The Boss will still have some part in MGSV. I doubt she'll be playable in some way(though that'd be fantastic), but her impact will likely continue to be felt as Big Boss comes apart.

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@lanechanger: Hmmmmmmmm....sure, I guess :P Though if episodes 7 8 9 were released, then this could have an ep. 5 & 6 level of WTFOMGLUKE'SSISTER kind of revelation to it.

ooo I like the way you're thinkin.

Can't wait for what bonkers new dimension they're gonna add to this brilliant cacophony.

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@truthtellah: Ah cool I didn't know about the Big Boss keeping Patriots and Zero from Kaz so that makes some more sense with each kind of holding cards close to their chest about that bigger picture.

Going to be cool to see how this works. I think its all set up to really put Big Boss in the middle of a web of spying and doubling crossing so that he can come out of it as a kind of anti-hero because Cipher will be the ultimate bad guys.

Thanks for the info man.

At least from how I understand the larger story, I get the impression Zero will end up switching control over to the AIs and Big Boss will slowly go mad fighting shadows.(thus the uh, weird diamond horn thing growing ever larger) Eventually, an anti-hero can go too far, and that's probably where Big Boss is going. My guess is, Big Boss will be a villain by the end of MGSV, setting the stage for Solid Snake and Master "Kaz" Miller to try to take him down in the MSX games. Thus wrapping up the entire Metal Gear series.

As he once said, when he stopped being Snake and became Big Boss, he was already dead. MGSV is likely his descent into hell, with the last shreds of him being consumed by war.

Creepy stuff, but I can't wait to experience the end of all this.

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"Cosima Caminades... Kojima is God! Kojima is God!"

Yep. That's... about as egotistical as I would expect.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure Kojima is the canon god of the MGS universe. And in a way, that sort of makes sense. ;)

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@truthtellah: Yeah you're right in it being complex with the part about him knowing about Paz. I feel like that was VERY left off the hook, to the point where I wish it wasn't in the story. How would Big Boss be cool with that? I haven't actually played Peace Walker, only watched the cutscenes and almost all these tapes you put in here at least, so I may be missing some nuance.

I suppose the money he gains from the Cipher spying could have been put right back into MSF so in that way he could be playing them (and they were getting everything anyways because of Paz). Aside from the bit where he knows about Paz it all adds up to me. That part makes it a little questionable. I think his loyalty does rest with Big Boss foremost but yeah will be interesting to see how it plays out. Like you say he ends up going against Boss at some point so I'm not sure how things will shake out.

In that final scene, Kaz mentions for Big Boss to look around and see what they've built; consider that they couldn't have gotten that big without taking advantage of their enemies. Big Boss seems to understand that Kaz was just doing what was best for MSF, as they are equal partners in it with their own agendas. Big Boss, for his part, also lied to Kaz about not knowing about Zero and the Patriots. To Big Boss, Kaz doesn't know the truth that he was part of the Patriots and knows Zero(the true identity of Cipher). Big Boss is likely forgiving of Kaz's perceived deception because he thinks he has been deceiving Kaz, as well.

What Big Boss doesn't realize is that Kaz was not -just- concealing that he knew all that and he actually does seem to know more about the big picture than he is letting on. He was spying for Zero(he knows it's Zero and not just Cipher) and was directly responsible for Paz fighting Big Boss in the end(he is the one that told Zero that ZEKE was ready and forced Paz's hand when she was getting second thoughts). Paz became a convenient out for him to shift blame.

So, in Ground Zeroes, Big Boss thinks they've set a clean slate between them, but Kaz is probably still spying on him. Kaz is simply caught by surprise by what happened with XOF and the inspection team. Skull Face is out to get Zero for some reason(sounds like he found out he was behind destroying his life, body, etc and wants revenge), and he told Paz he wouldn't kill Big Boss if she gave up Zero's location. Yet, that was clearly a lie, with him rigging her with explosives and (apparently) carrying out the attack on MSF's base. Skull Face seems to be using his attacks on Big Boss in hopes to get to Zero somehow, and it remains to be seen how that works out.

Skull Face and Kaz are the unknown x-factors which MGSV seems to hinge on, and they likely help drag Big Boss into hell. We'll see in only a few more days!

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@truthtellah: I don't think it means Kaz was in on it at all, does it? It just means he fed Cipher information that helped them. But he genuinely cares about MSF so I think it being destroyed was the last possible thing he wanted.

From the tape, seems like all he was after was money, so that's why he supplied the info. He goes out of his way to say he isn't a friend of Cipher.

True. Though, Kaz at the end of Peace Walker admits to Big Boss that he knew Paz and the professor weren't who they said they were, and he said he was using them. Yet, after the credits, the call reveals he didn't just know they were reporting on Snake, he was himself reporting on him. He seemed to think he'd get wealthy off this, but now with his body torn up, his sight gone, and much of what he built burned down, he is gonna go hard against Zero(CIPHER).

His larger motivations are still a bit uncertain, and I'm curious to see how he ends up turning against Big Boss to assist Solid Snake in Metal Gear.

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@lanechanger said:

@truthtellah Thanks dude, gonna go through this now!

Edit: oh wow so that was Kaz with the ending phone call, and he double crossed Big Boss! It's like everyone who's not Snake is a double agent of sorts

Yeah, and it sets up an interesting dynamic with Zero's betrayal of Kaz in Ground Zeroes. Kaz was blaming Paz for the attack, but really he was in on it. Yet, it seems he didn't realize he'd get blown up and injured along with Big Boss though. Now Kaz seems to be genuinely with Big Boss, and he may be the only person BB can really trust come V.

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@bocam said:

It's amazing how different some of these tapes are to their Japanese counterparts. See カズ面白い!

haha. Kaz sounds the same in both(until the end). Kaz is so good. I hope he gets even more development in MGSV, because now it's established that he's basically a normal guy versus all these other people. He was a spy, but now he's just a blind man out for revenge. It's so cool. Should be some great tapes.