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Quick Look: Mafia II

Brad and Ryan see if this is a game you can't refuse, or if you should fuggedaboutit.

Sit back and enjoy as the Giant Bomb team takes an unedited look at the latest video games.

Aug. 24 2010

Cast: Ryan, Brad

Posted by: Drew

In This Episode:

Mafia II

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@Jeknod said:
" @Skillface said:

" @cwdawg1224 said:

" Why aren't they allowed to show boobs? They showed them at the very beginning of The Saboteur QL. "
Probably because that stuff is embargo'd somehow and the game wasn't out as of this being recorded. "
Probably because they have decency, know what's tasteless and not and don't want to alienate demographics? There is no point in displaying pornography in a video game quick look.  "
I really hope mainstream sheep confusing popular opinion with fact will remain the minority at least on this site. Don't fucking present widespread opinions as the only reasonable stance possible...
What's so damn indecent about nudity - give me a good argument for that. 
Not dissing GB for covering their backs of course!
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@PJ: Right, and with the releases of the games so close together, being "first" doesn't really matter - the games were in development at the same time and core gameplay systems like traffic laws were in both games well before they released.  
All I was saying was the strict laws were not "unheard of" <3
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Also, Brad was wrong when he said you can't fist fight whenever you want. Because you can.

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@Baal_Sagoth said:
" @Jeknod said:
" @Skillface said:

" @cwdawg1224 said:

" Why aren't they allowed to show boobs? They showed them at the very beginning of The Saboteur QL. "
Probably because that stuff is embargo'd somehow and the game wasn't out as of this being recorded. "
Probably because they have decency, know what's tasteless and not and don't want to alienate demographics? There is no point in displaying pornography in a video game quick look.  "
I really hope mainstream sheep confusing popular opinion with fact will remain the minority at least on this site. Don't fucking present widespread opinions as the only reasonable stance possible... What's so damn indecent about nudity - give me a good argument for that.  Not dissing GB for covering their backs of course! "

Exactly. You know how blasting fools in the face is fine, but nudity... now that's just immoral! Won't someone think of the children! <_<
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@Osaladin said:

" @TadThuggish said:

" Brad continues to show how really incompetent he is as a video game player.  I'm sure he's integral to the Giant Bomb team, he does plenty of great interviews and is always funny on the Bombcast, but he can't play anything worth shit.  I'm not saying "YOU'RE BAD YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE FUN", it's just that you can't really be a proper critic for this medium without having the capacity to swivel your thumbs around effectively, or maintaining the necessary attention span as to not miss all your turns.
 
If you argue that he doesn't need this (by now should be well-developed) skill and is only there to write, then that means a blind person has all the credentials to examine a film.  Okay, yeah, what the blind person writes may be interesting, but he's still blind and missing so much of what everyone else sees.  Brad has a handicap when it comes to playing video games.  He may not always be wrong, but his thoughts and opinions about gaming should be taken with a grain of salt. "

Yes because during the quick look, his most important objective is to play amazing. /sarcasm  I don't know if you had the audio down the entire time, but quick looks are supposed to give us an idea of how the game is. You play a video game, where you have to talk the entire time, answering questions, try to make it interesting, and see if you can focus on that tiny line on the bottom of the screen that tells you where to go.   People that are complaining about Brad's lack of "skill" in playing video games are pretty sad, and besides, he did just fine.   Also, to those who are saying the mission choice was bad, he is showing off the game. He gave us a fair representation of what we can expect if we played this game. He showed us driving, he showed us the cigarette mini game, and he showed us the shooting mechanics. I don't know what else you want, their goal in this quick look is not to sell you on this game, it's to show you what you can expect if you pick it up.  Stop your fucking whining. "
No one said it wasn't a good quick look.
also,
 http://www.giantbomb.com/profile/mustard/brad-quick-look-start-to-death-time/46-14188/
also,
 http://www.giantbomb.com/endurance-run-deadly-premonition-part-br-01/17-2280/ 
Sounds to me like you're doing way, way more unnecessary and factually unfounded whining.
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The barrels don't explode when you shoot them? I thought this was a video game.

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The wisdom of posting a Quick Look after a middling review...quite strange, but I guess it is okay as a video companion piece...
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...Brad never wants to do anything fun....

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This QL got a hell of a lot more interesting after he stopped complaining about how this non-open world game wasn't open world enough.

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giantbomb has shown boobs before. i call shenanigans!

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@RVonE said:
" Why aren't they allowed to show boobs?
Probably because that stuff is embargo'd somehow and the game wasn't out as of this being recorded. "
Probably because they have decency, ... There is no point in displaying pornography in a video game quick look.  "
 Don't fucking present widespread opinions as the only reasonable stance possible... What's so damn indecent about nudity - give me a good argument for that. 
Exactly. You know how blasting fools in the face is fine, but nudity... now that's just immoral! Won't someone think of the children! <_< "
No kid should play this game period. Violence or nudity. Why not show boobs though you ask? They are real boobs, not cartoon, and they had an age gate on Saboteur I assume? I mean i like boobs too, but well then they'd have to put an age gate on here, and i am on the internet if i wanna see boobs i don't have to hope Giantbomb shows me some....so i am glad they didn't. Plus showing pornography to minors (whether you love the porn or not is moot), is an offense that you can get jail time for, and you have to sign up on the sex offender registry for the rest of your life, is that a good argument for not showing it?
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Kinda bummed you showed this off on consoles. This game is definitely a PC game. It handles pretty poorly on the consoles, and the visuals on the PC are excellent. 
 
Seems like Brad's crosshair was jumping around a lot. I know Brad isn't the best, but was he exhausted, or does that game handle even worse than I had heard on consoles? I know brad is capable of doing better than that. Maybe he's just been playing to much SC2. Also I was disappointed at him badmouthing the shotgun. It has pretty limited range, but if you hit someone, it feels like a monster and it usually takes a guy straight down. I felt like the kick on it and the chances of one shot kills with it made it feel real powerful. If Brad struggled this much with the shooting throughout his review period, I hope that didn't bring down the score.

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@TadThuggish said:

" Brad continues to show how really incompetent he is as a video game player.  I'm sure he's integral to the Giant Bomb team, he does plenty of great interviews and is always funny on the Bombcast, but he can't play anything worth shit.  I'm not saying "YOU'RE BAD YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE FUN", it's just that you can't really be a proper critic for this medium without having the capacity to swivel your thumbs around effectively, or maintaining the necessary attention span as to not miss all your turns.
 
If you argue that he doesn't need this (by now should be well-developed) skill and is only there to write, then that means a blind person has all the credentials to examine a film.  Okay, yeah, what the blind person writes may be interesting, but he's still blind and missing so much of what everyone else sees.  Brad has a handicap when it comes to playing video games.  He may not always be wrong, but his thoughts and opinions about gaming should be taken with a grain of salt. "

Are you genuinely being serious? You make it sound like he has the ability of a 2 year old child, which he doesn't. That blind person simile was one of the worst uses of a simile ever known.  He completed the game, if you haven't read his review by the way, so I think he is a competent video game player.
 
Okay, so hes not as good as you? I'd like to see you provide valid and interesting commentary while you play a shooter. Its a lot more difficult than you think.
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What is The Big Live Live Show? Did I miss something?
 
Also, holy mother of God the console version of Mafia II looks bad, it doesn't even look as good as Mafia II does on PC at lowest possible settings.
 
BRAD LIVED!

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Brad says a lot of dumb shit in this QL. He says that the game is basically following a red line.. isn't that true of GTA4 and RDR also? He also talked about how passengers in your car will comment on your driving, like when you're going really fast. GTA4 does exactly the same thing. The shooting was somewhat criticized, but to me it looks pretty damn similar to GTA4 and RDR.
 
I'm not a fanboy for this game or series, haven't even played Mafia II, but some of the doubletalk really irks me sometimes. I don't mean to come down on Brad, I think he's awesome, but this seems to be a pitfall a lot of game journalists fall into -- criticizing a game for something that was praised in an R* title.
 
With that said, though, disappointing. I hate when open world games don't realize their full potential or feel somewhat barren. I guess I'll pick this game up for PC in a year or however long it takes to drop considerably in price.
 
e: Reading these other comments, I hate to see Brad criticized for his "ability to play games." Have you guys ever played a game while talking about it? It's hard as hell. I usually end up walking around in circles doing jackshit until I stop talking. That's definitely a skill that takes time to develop, and I think Brad is good at it. He missed some turns, big deal.

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Do you get melee weapons in this game? Like a bat or something?

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@CookieMonster:  He doesn't have to be a great gamer in order to provide accurate review but since he's been doing quick looks for a while now, shouldn't he be better at talking an playing at the same time?
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Brad! It's a quick look! Plus you've already finished the game! Just bite the bullet and show us how it looks when you die!

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I love the concept of an open world game, that doesn't stuff repetitive side missions down my throat. I also love the shotgun in this game, it packs a hell of a punch, i like that. 
 
But alas, this is not something i am going to invest my money in, there are better games out there that i need to play.

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good quick look

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Whoever decided to run daily pre-roll ads for the live show deserves to have his nuts cut off!


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@TadThuggish: People don't play at their best all the time and when you're playing so many different types of games in short spans of time to do reviews and other things, it can have effect. And not everyone is as good as everyone else. Regardless, this is silly complaint and you're only seeing a small piece of the pie when it comes to his gaming ability. 
 
I would say you can't be a proper critic without having the knowledge about games and where they come from, rather then 'not being a good player', which is subjective and only an opinion. People aren't looking for Brad or any of the other dudes on GB to be top notch players, they're looking for the opinions.  
 
As for the second paragraph, lol.  No comment. 
 
And with the last comment, you shouldn't take his opinion to be highly regarded, you should take his opinions for what they are, opinions. It's whether you agree it or not, not because you think he doesn't have any credibility because he isn't a 'competent gamer'. 
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Hmm, I'm a little doubtful about this getting this game after the reviews I've seen and I didn't rhink the demo was too impressive either...

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@valentin_rad: True, its still a bit tricky though. And its not like hes practising 6 hours a day, its just 3 or 4 twenty minute+ quick looks a week.
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To bad the PS3 version was shit. 

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Holy screen tearing Batman! 

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@Jayzz said:
" any difference between this version and the ps3 one? "
Ps3 version had issues. No blood pools. No high ress grass. No clothing movement. A shit studio was used on the PS3 version. 
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@squidracerX said:
" @RVonE said:
" Why aren't they allowed to show boobs?
Probably because that stuff is embargo'd somehow and the game wasn't out as of this being recorded. "
Probably because they have decency, ... There is no point in displaying pornography in a video game quick look.  "
 Don't fucking present widespread opinions as the only reasonable stance possible... What's so damn indecent about nudity - give me a good argument for that. 
Exactly. You know how blasting fools in the face is fine, but nudity... now that's just immoral! Won't someone think of the children! <_< "
No kid should play this game period. Violence or nudity. Why not show boobs though you ask? They are real boobs, not cartoon, and they had an age gate on Saboteur I assume? I mean i like boobs too, but well then they'd have to put an age gate on here, and i am on the internet if i wanna see boobs i don't have to hope Giantbomb shows me some....so i am glad they didn't. Plus showing pornography to minors (whether you love the porn or not is moot), is an offense that you can get jail time for, and you have to sign up on the sex offender registry for the rest of your life, is that a good argument for not showing it? "

I'm not saying GB should have shown the boobs in this QL; I perfectly understand how, under the current legal framework in the US, they'd have to age gate this video. I'm saying that I find the stance most Americans share on showing nudity is just absurd and stands in stark contrast to their willingness to show violence. This has nothing to do with legal issues, but with a certain understanding of what is moral and what is not. Why is nudity immoral (and thus in need of strict regulation) and violence is less of an issue? To be fair, the situation is reversed here in Europe: nudity is okay, violence is not (I also oppose this state of affairs). 
One final note: you say that it is immoral to show pornography to minors. First of all, nudity is not the same as pornography. Second, what a minor is, varies between countries. Third, there are plenty of countries that do not prohibit minors from being exposed to nudity. The whole sex offender thing is particular to certain countries and its definition varies between countries. Again, I'm not talking about GB; they have to abide by the law in their country. I'm talking about the particular American moral stance that some users seem to confuse with being a universal stance.
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I'm not seeing where the claims of incompetence are coming in regards to Brad's performance here.

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I respect Giant Bomb for showing the Touch Master "erotic" game, and for at least being willing to show the magazine at the end there.
 
OK, they may have cut the video there if we did see the Playboy, but the Touch Master video still happened.
 
It's kind of a shame that to show the human form is considered so immoral.

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@TadThuggish: 
You are some kind of idiot. He didn't die once. Besides missing the exit a couple times, he did nothing wrong. Try again and this time really think about it.
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@Darkstalker: 
There are licensed boobs though.
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Brad comments that he's not sure where the complaints about car handling come from. Three minutes later, he goes from that fat truck to a real car and immediately fishtails. I'm not complaining about Brad, I'm complaining about this:
 
The cars in this game handle like bathtubs on wheels, and combined with the fact that front-end collisions will injure or kill you, that sucks all the fun out of driving, which makes it a very bad thing that you apparently have to do an awful lot of it.
 
EDIT: And for the record, in the demo at least, the shotgun was my favourite weapon. I'm starting to wonder if Brad and I are talking about the same game. XD

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So disappointed in no boobs.

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@RVonE:  Whew, you guys freaked me out, at first i thought you meant that they censored boobs out of the video, but come on, there's nothing wrong with them not going out of there way to show boobs. They have already made a point to show that they don't censor themselves (RE TANG, and that mailbag video) they've always skirted around cursing at random points too, but it usually ends up more humorous than offensive.
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@Haru48 said:
" @RVonE:  Whew, you guys freaked me out, at first i thought you meant that they censored boobs out of the video, but come on, there's nothing wrong with them not going out of there way to show boobs. They have already made a point to show that they don't censor themselves (RE TANG, and that mailbag video) they've always skirted around cursing at random points too, but it usually ends up more humorous than offensive. "

Indeed. No worries.
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Aside from the playboys, is there any other reason to explore about? I guess that's my main problem with there being so side missions or anything. They give you this big detailed area to explore, but don't really give you to tools to encourage exploration. Seems like an unfortunate waste.

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Some of you are missing the point. The nudity isn't the problem. They've shown a boob or two in the past. The problem is it's exclusive content from Playboy that they probably weren't cleared to show.

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@larryrules138: I agree with most of your points, but I think the difference between a game like this and RDR or GTA IV is if you choose to go off that line there's a lot of different things to keep you occupied.  If they weren't going to allow you to do other things by going off the beaten path, why wouldn't they just make it level based?
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Two bucks per carton. If only..

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RAGE QUIT!
 
The game looks solid.

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Yes, Brad. I commend you for not succumbing to Ryan's peer pressure.

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I love the "What the hell?!" from Brad when it was a painting.

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Already completed it. The ending was disappointing.

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Nudity=satan
blowing faces off with guns= Bring the kids!
Fucking Americans.....

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@Godlyawesomeguy said:
" Nudity=satan blowing faces off with guns= Bring the kids! Fucking Americans..... "
Dont blame the nation, blame the church
 
/ensuing bible fight