#1 Posted by Gamer4Iife (34 posts) -

Since you guys are starting anew, I thought this would be the perfect opportunity to implement a brand-new rating system. As "veteran" reviewers, I'm sure you are all well aware of the flaws of the current rating systems. I understand that in a review, the score doesn't matter that much, but let's face it: A lot of people don't even read the reviews, they just look at the scores. So, why not have a rating system that's crystal-clear and comprehensive for everyone ?

The biggest problem is how everyone has their own version of what a score signifies. By giving a score, the reviewer tries to tell their readers approximately how good the overall game is, but that message is lost when they convert it back into their own meaning. A good example is how some will tell you that 7.0 is good, others will tell you its average. 1UP tried to change their rating system recently with their alphabetical scores, but all they did was use the same old concept, except they replaced the numbers with letters, which in turn, caused even more confusion.

What I'm proposing is a system that, I believe, will solve this mess once and for all. Basically, its concept is: "Why bother converting at all ? Just say what you want to say".  Its very simple yet solves everything, think Ninja Gaiden II is great ? Give it the score of "Great". Think GTA IV is awesome ? Give it an "Awesome". It's basically the exact same concept, but it gets the message across. Scores like Awesome, Great, Nice, Average, Lacking, Bad and Terrible are exactly what they mean, and it's MUCH more clear than any numerical or alphabetical score.

I know it's a lot to ask to change from your traditional way of reviewing, but please at least consider it. I honestly believe this new rating system has potential.

-Gamer4Iife

#2 Posted by Absurd (2934 posts) -

I thought 5 stars was pretty clear...

#3 Posted by banksrob (1126 posts) -

they said right form the start they are having a star rating system...

#4 Posted by Vinchenzo (6192 posts) -

What's the Deal With Your Rating System?

Giant Bomb reviews games on a five-star scale that does not include half-stars. We feel that this benefits our reviews for a number of reasons. Five-star rating systems are a widely accepted standard outside the field of video games, from Amazon.com to The Source, and we feel that the pervasiveness of the five-star system makes it more intuitive for the reader.

It also helps avoid the hair-splitting that can occur within more granular rating systems. A score is designed to provide the most basic at-a-glance information about a game for those considering making a game purchase--it is not there to justify/attack anyone's entrenched position on the relative value of one video-game franchise, developer, publisher, or hardware manufacturer versus another. We include the full text of the review for those looking for more detail.

We do not use any algorithms to reach our final scores, relying instead on the experience of the reviewer. While fundamental issues such as graphical performance and gameplay originality will almost always be factors in determining a final score, it ultimately comes down to how worthwhile the reviewer found the whole experience to be. If that's not enough, here are some simple illustrations we think you'll find helpful:


While we don't believe any game is perfect, we recommend this game without reservation.


Still very good and easy to recommend, though it doesn't quite live up to its full potential.


The halfway point. An inherent appreciation of this game's specific gameplay style, characters, subject matter, and so on may play as big a role in your enjoyment as the actual quality of the game.


This game's problems outweigh its good qualities.


This game will make you wish you had died in a fire moments before turning it on.


Source: http://www.giantbomb.com/help/

#5 Posted by BlackWaterCO (1574 posts) -

Yep, 5 Stars is PERFECT

#6 Posted by RedShirt (24 posts) -

I'm fine with the stars

#7 Posted by Gamer4Iife (34 posts) -
Absurd said:
"I thought 5 stars was pretty clear...
"
I don't know...

What does 5 out of 5 mean - That it's perfect ? That's the impression I'm getting...
#8 Posted by Kenzo287 (722 posts) -

Well damn them for making us read their reviews if we want to know what they think! (sarcasm)

#9 Posted by Scizorz (60 posts) -

Stars are fine, i dont want system wars fanboys coming here complaining about how the reviews dont reflect those on metacritic, stars are great.

#10 Posted by Toseph (370 posts) -

5 stars is fine you really don't need a 1-10 rating scale

#11 Posted by Moe (31 posts) -

Ummm i was hoping the people that dont read reviews and just look at the number stay away from this site anyway. I have been enjoying the GIANT BOMB atmosphere for a while now and i have to say it has one of the most respectfull and intelligent userbases out there. keep 5 stars.

#12 Posted by sdodd02 (722 posts) -

I think the stars are pretty clear.

#13 Posted by DappaDizzle (179 posts) -
Scizorz said:
"Stars are fine, i dont want system wars fanboys coming here complaining about how the reviews dont reflect those on metacritic, stars are great."
agreed ... and please stop comparing the rating system to other sites this GB get use to it
#14 Posted by Blu_Magic (2021 posts) -

I'm good with the system they have now.

#15 Posted by Otacon (2209 posts) -

Five Stars is why I prefer film reviews over most game reviews. When telling someone about a film review you are saying what the reviewer thought and what they gave it instead of just spouting out the fact that 'GS gave it a 8.5' you are listening to what the reviewer has to say. Its also clearer and isn't prone to fanboy wars over what game is better on illogical terms.

#16 Posted by namster (132 posts) -

They 5 stars with no half stars works well the way it is
It allows the text to matter for those who take the time to read it.
I find the only other system that works well is the lettering A-F system

#17 Posted by Gamer4Iife (34 posts) -
Vinchenzo said:
...
I think you missed the point. I understand how the 5-star rating work, that's not the problem.
#18 Posted by Gamer4Iife (34 posts) -
namster said:
"They 5 stars with no half stars works well the way it is
It allows the text to matter for those who take the time to read it.
I find the only other system that works well is the lettering A-F system
"
You could say the same thing for every rating system, though. They all "allow the text to matter for those who take the time to read them", but that's the problem, most people don't.
#19 Edited by spragels (97 posts) -

I think it is fine. No rating system is perfect, and they will always be wrong in some ways because everyone feels different about games. For example I don't like MGS4 and everyone gives it a perfect score. I think you just have to read the review and see if whats in it gets you excited and then check the game out from there. The score a game gets doesn't really mean much if you don't like that kind of game.

#20 Posted by DJ_Lae (629 posts) -

My favourite system is still the old Daily Radar scoring - Direct Hit, Hit, Miss, and Dud. It was simple and elegant, although the site was everything but. Still, that's beside the point.

#21 Posted by Gamer4Iife (34 posts) -
spragels said:
"I think it is fine. No rating system is perfect, and they will always be wrong in some ways because everyone feels different about games. For example I don't like MGS4 and everyone gives it a perfect score. I think you just have to read the review and see if whats in it gets you excited and then check the game out from there. "
  Which is exactly why I'm proposing a new rating system that does not have that flaw.
#22 Posted by Gamer4Iife (34 posts) -
DJ_Lae said:
"My favourite system is still the old Daily Radar scoring - Direct Hit, Hit, Miss, and Dud. It was simple and elegant, although the site was everything but. Still, that's beside the point.
"
Sounds like a good idea too. Why did they change it ?
#23 Posted by joshuapohl (43 posts) -
Vinchenzo said:
"

What's the Deal With Your Rating System?

Giant Bomb reviews games on a five-star scale that does not include half-stars. We feel that this benefits our reviews for a number of reasons. Five-star rating systems are a widely accepted standard outside the field of video games, from Amazon.com to The Source, and we feel that the pervasiveness of the five-star system makes it more intuitive for the reader.

It also helps avoid the hair-splitting that can occur within more granular rating systems. A score is designed to provide the most basic at-a-glance information about a game for those considering making a game purchase--it is not there to justify/attack anyone's entrenched position on the relative value of one video-game franchise, developer, publisher, or hardware manufacturer versus another. We include the full text of the review for those looking for more detail.

We do not use any algorithms to reach our final scores, relying instead on the experience of the reviewer. While fundamental issues such as graphical performance and gameplay originality will almost always be factors in determining a final score, it ultimately comes down to how worthwhile the reviewer found the whole experience to be. If that's not enough, here are some simple illustrations we think you'll find helpful:


While we don't believe any game is perfect, we recommend this game without reservation.


Still very good and easy to recommend, though it doesn't quite live up to its full potential.


The halfway point. An inherent appreciation of this game's specific gameplay style, characters, subject matter, and so on may play as big a role in your enjoyment as the actual quality of the game.


This game's problems outweigh its good qualities.


This game will make you wish you had died in a fire moments before turning it on.


Source: http://www.giantbomb.com/help/

"
This is really easy rating system that works great.
#24 Posted by DJ_Lae (629 posts) -
Gamer4Iife said:
"DJ_Lae said:
"My favourite system is still the old Daily Radar scoring - Direct Hit, Hit, Miss, and Dud. It was simple and elegant, although the site was everything but. Still, that's beside the point.
"
Sounds like a good idea too. Why did they change it ?
"
The site died. I think it came back (sort of) as Games Radar or something, but they went to numerical scoring because gamers apparently get off on percentages.
#25 Posted by nat (217 posts) -

It's easy and clear, what more would you all want

#26 Posted by DogManStar (8 posts) -

I don't really care about the scoring system, but can I just point out that nearly all movie reviewers use half-star increments. 5 possible scores doesn't really seem adequate. But whatever, it's a minor issue.

#27 Posted by WorldsFastestShrimpPeeler (458 posts) -

i like this star rating system, its alright, but i sometimes want numbers.

#28 Posted by Sentry (4197 posts) -

5 stars are perfect honestly.

#29 Posted by nezze00 (144 posts) -

Stars are great! I like teh Stars k? K.

#30 Edited by Gamer4Iife (34 posts) -
nat said:
"It's easy and clear, what more would you all want
"
How is it clear, though ?
#31 Posted by Caje (138 posts) -

5 stars is perfect because it emphasizes the text of the review rather than just a numerical value.

#32 Posted by Gamer4Iife (34 posts) -
Caje said:
"5 stars is perfect because it emphasizes the text of the review rather than just a numerical value.
"
What do you mean ? 5 stars IS a numerical value.
#33 Posted by RVonE (4664 posts) -

I really like the direction they've taken with the five star system. I mean, it is more loose compared to most sites. Five stars just means it is very much worth your while. At the same time the fact that MGS4 received five stars doesn't mean it can directly be compared to professor layton. It just means that both are excellent games. Brilliant.

#34 Posted by Gamer4Iife (34 posts) -
RVonE said:
"I really like the direction they've taken with the five star system. I mean, it is more loose compared to most sites. Five stars just means it is very much worth your while. At the same time the fact that MGS4 received five stars doesn't mean it can directly be compared to professor layton. It just means that both are excellent games. Brilliant."
I know, but why not just directly say it instead of converting it into stars ?
#35 Posted by AaronBelfast (1491 posts) -

This is part of the GB community, get used to it.

#36 Posted by Gamer4Iife (34 posts) -
AaronBelfast said:
"This is part of the GB community, get used to it."
Get used to it ? But I am not complaining or anything, only suggesting a system that is better than what we currently have.

I suggest you do not post at all, if you do not have any constructive things to say.
#37 Posted by Sentry (4197 posts) -

5 stars is fine, generally speaking all you need to know is if a game is good, average, or bad. Buy it, rent it, or neither; thats all. And the 5 star system works great with that.

#38 Posted by Tovan (633 posts) -
Gamer4Iife said:
"nat said:
"It's easy and clear, what more would you all want
"
How is it clear, though ?
"
It gets the point across clean and quickly, the point of a review is just to tell if it's worth your time, it isn't something to read deeply into.
#39 Posted by Gamer4Iife (34 posts) -
Sentry said:
"5 stars is fine, generally speaking all you need to know is if a game is good, average, or bad. Buy it, rent it, or neither; thats all. And the 5 star system works great with that.
"
But that's exactly my point. You just need to know whether a game is good or bad, etc... NOT whether it is 5 or 3 stars.
#40 Posted by Gamer4Iife (34 posts) -
Tovan51 said:
It gets the point across clean and quickly, the point of a review is just to tell if it's worth your time, it isn't something to read deeply into.
"
Again, that's EXACTLY my point. And what I'm proposing gets the point across quicker than any rating system out there.
#41 Posted by spragels (97 posts) -
Gamer4Iife said:
"spragels said:
"I think it is fine. No rating system is perfect, and they will always be wrong in some ways because everyone feels different about games. For example I don't like MGS4 and everyone gives it a perfect score. I think you just have to read the review and see if whats in it gets you excited and then check the game out from there. "
  Which is exactly why I'm proposing a new rating system that does not have that flaw.
"
The flaw is apparent with any rating system. People rate games. People can be wrong, and all people are different. Like snowflakes.
#42 Posted by Gamer4Iife (34 posts) -
spragels said:
The flaw is apparent with any rating system. People rate games. People can be wrong, and all people are different. Like snowflakes.
"
Sorry, but have you even read my first post ? -_-
#43 Posted by Vinchenzo (6192 posts) -
Gamer4Iife said:
"nat said:
"It's easy and clear, what more would you all want
"
How is it clear, though ?
"
Stars give the general score of the game without discriminating against the title. When scores get too specific, developers think their game is getting attacked, and you can see how this has gone full-circle. If you need me to go into more detail, please ask.
#44 Posted by Atlas (2454 posts) -

5 stars works perfectly. It really encourages you to read the reviews.

#45 Posted by TheH1ppo (64 posts) -
Gamer4Iife said:
 1UP tried to change their rating system recently with their alphabetical scores, but all they did was use the same old concept, except they replaced the numbers with letters, which in turn, caused even more confusion.
I'm sorry, but if you've ever been to school then there's zero confusion in the A+ to F scale
#46 Edited by spragels (97 posts) -
Gamer4Iife said:
"spragels said:
The flaw is apparent with any rating system. People rate games. People can be wrong, and all people are different. Like snowflakes.
"
Sorry, but have you even read my first post ? -_-
"
Yeah I did. I just think that no matter how you change the review system it won't really help. I think the idea you had about the "awesome, great, bad... etc" is fine too. I just think that it doesn't matter if they change it. All that matters is what you personally take from the review. I just find reviewers I like and read their reviews and try to go from there. No score system will ever work perfectly, that is all I'm trying to say.

#47 Posted by Sentry (4197 posts) -

If you agree wit me on that point, then how are 5 stars a bad thing? I mean, 4/5 are generally saying buy this game, 3 is saying rent it first to see if its your thing, 1/2 are basically saying dont buy.

Simple and nice eh?

#48 Posted by Why_So_Serious (803 posts) -

I like the star rating system, for now. Unless something big happpens it can work.