The most vilified game ever

"Icemael said:

"thiago said:

"Let's see:- The introduction of a consensus that the single player campaign has "nothing special". This crap is repeated again, and again, and again, and even in the Bombcast;- The spreading of BS relating to the characters and story, as if it was crappy. The story is good;- The spreading of BS about the AI. The AI is one of the best;- The spreading of BS about the controls. The controls are good;- The made up argument that it doesn't "innovate", when it does;And many others. The score must never be taken as it is, but only in comparison with games from the same generation and genre, and we can easily see that Killzone was shot down for it not to score higher than the competition."

YOU think the single player is awesome, YOU think the story is good, YOU think the AI is good and YOU think the controls are great. All those are subjective - people will disagree with you, accept it(or if you don't, at least don't whine about it). "

Those are quantifiable and verifiable aspects. No subjectivity, just logic. Try this:- Check how large are the environments;- Count how many enemies are on the screen (yes, write it down);- Count from how many directions they come from;- Count how many times they will seek cover, run, protect from you, change to another position, etc. Awesome AI;The enemies are the coolest enemies in a while. Radec looks like some Darth Vader's cousin, it is the most awesome boss I have seen in a videogame. Visari is the best. Rico is more believable with its lack of control than some ex-football player called "the train".The most impressive simulation of war ever created. Yes, war perfected. It has even winds and dust and the sound of explosions that makes you feel that a war is really going on and storms. This game was nitpicked to death."

Let's be clear here, Killzone 1 sucked to high heaven. It was trash.

Killzone 2 though, that was awesome.

"The enemies are the coolestenemies in a while. Radec looks like some Darth Vader's cousin, it is the most awesome boss I have seen in a videogame. Visari is the best. Rico is more believablewith its lack of control than some ex-football player called "the train".The most impressive simulation of war ever created. Yes, war perfected. It has even winds and dust and the sound of explosions that makes you feel that a war is really going on and storms. This game was nitpicked to death."

I didn't see anyone speak badly about Killzone 2. From what I can tell the praise was universal.

And for a while I thought games were intended to be played for fun.  Thank You tiago.  Now I know my fun can be quantified.  My pure enjoyment of something can just be defined by someone else or some mathmatical formula.So you like the game.  That's cool.  So do I.  I just think you're taking things way to far.  Take criticism with grain of salt.  At the end of the day it all boils down to what you think of it.  "

"cspiffo said:

And for a while I thought games were intended to be played for fun.  Thank You tiago.  Now I know my fun can be quantified.  My pure enjoyment of something can just be defined by someone else or some mathmatical formula.So you like the game.  That's cool.  So do I.  I just think you're taking things way to far.  Take criticism with grain of salt.  At the end of the day it all boils down to what you think of it.  "

Your likes or dislikes must be explainable logically. Reviewing a game and saying "I didn't like it" or "it is generic" is not enough. Explain what is wrong or right in your opinion.My point is, in many reviews the reasons given for the game not getting a 10 weren't good ones. And even in those cases where it had some degree of truth, it doesn't justify the score. For example, gamespot cited the six axis usage as "tacked on", which is ridiculous. It just works! The story is good, whatever dislike you might have with it it doesn't justify a whole point down."

"thiago said:

"The enemies are the coolestenemies in a while. Radec looks like some Darth Vader's cousin, it is the most awesome boss I have seen in a videogame. Visari is the best. Rico is more believablewith its lack of control than some ex-football player called "the train".The most impressive simulation of war ever created. Yes, war perfected. It has even winds and dust and the sound of explosions that makes you feel that a war is really going on and storms. This game was nitpicked to death."

I don't see much in that statement that is "quantifiable and verifiable".  I understand you like the game, but what I don't understand is why, if scores mean nothing, it is so important to you that everyone else see the game as the masterpiece that you see it.  Explain to me what you want from everyone who has voiced a less fanatical opinion on the game from you."

A simple equation for you to understand it better:

War simulation = Killzone

Do you know any game that does it better? Neither do I. This should be enough to place this game in legendary level."

"thiago said:

A simple equation for you to understand it better:

War simulation = Killzone

Do you know any game that does it better? Neither do I. This should be enough to place this game in legendary level."

Operation Flashpoint.Armed Assault."

Daikatana.

"atejas said:

"thiago said:

A simple equation for you to understand it better:

War simulation = Killzone

Do you know any game that does it better? Neither do I. This should be enough to place this game in legendary level."

Operation Flashpoint.Armed Assault."

Have you read the thread? Why do people post crap without reading the thread?Ok, now could you elaborate on that? Describe what is better in your opinion in logical terms."

Realism shooters with wide open maps are better war simulators than linear shooters with Space Nazis."

"Daikatana."

"atejas said:

Realism shooters with wide open maps are better war simulators than linear shooters with Space Nazis."

In your twisted comparison of apples to oranges in a world where logic doesn't exist, it may be. Not in the real world.BTW, I am still waiting for you explanation as what is better. Can we assume you have given up?"

At the start of each mission (after the intro cinematic) the player is presented with a briefing explaining the situation, describing the player's goals in the mission and, often, providing further information in the form of notes. Once in-game the player is provided with a map, compass, watch, and a notebook (which contains the aforementioned briefing for reviewing). Depending on the mission the player may be required to participate in and complete a variety of tasks, from simply driving a truck or guarding bases to attacking or defending various objectives (whether on foot or while crewing a vehicle), patrols, reconnaissance and sabotage behind enemy lines (as a special forces soldier), air support (as a helicopter or fixed-wing aircraft pilot), or any combination of these and more.

With Killzone 2, Guerrilla Games aims to provide the player with an immersive and cinematic gameplay experience that is grounded in reality with what they call "Hollywood Realism". The game is presented almost entirely from a first person perspective, aside from vehicular combat. Killzone 2 features a "lean and peek" cover system which allows the player to take cover behind an object and then pop out to fire at enemies. The "lean and peek" mechanic stays in first person view at all times. It is also possible for Sev to pilot vehicles at two points in the game: a tank and an exoskeleton. Many classic weapons and vehicles from previous Killzone installments returns, such as the M82-G and the StA-52 LAR. The Sixaxis motion control feature is also utilized in performing certain actions such as turning a valve, arming an explosive charge and sniping. Game director Mathjis de Jonge has confirmed there are currently no plans to have co-op in Killzone 2

Hollywood realism

Ok, you don't know anything about Armed Assault or Operation Flashpoint. You just found them on Google. You can't describe how they are better or produce anything that could serve as an argument.

Now you reverted to a red herring. If a simulation can only depict real world events then the whole game is not one because it is clearly science fiction. All the weapons, vehicles and story are made up. That's how it is cinematic, in a way things are presented. Very Holywood like.

Now if we are talking about battle simulation. No, there's no match. All the crap happening around you, many enemies moving around and shooting you from several directions. Really intense at all times. Better than COD4 or any other game.

Now if we are talking about battle simulation. No, there's no match. All the crap happening around you, many enemies moving around and shooting you from several directions. Really intense at all times. Better than COD4 or any other game."

Simulation is the imitation of some real thing, state of affairs, or process. The act of simulating something generally entails representing certain key characteristics or behaviors of a selected physical or abstract system.

many enemies moving around and shooting you from several directions. Really intense at all times. Better than COD4 or any other game."

'some real thing, state of affairs or process.'
'real'

And, guess what? Real battles are tactical.

No, killzone 2 is great.
Not as good as people said it would be, but it came close.

The OP still refuses to understand that some people just dont like the same shit he does.

Sorry for that. Really I am.

It looks like this thread is going all the way to April 1st, hopefully then thiago will reveal himself as flame and troll bait and this thread as a joke for his entertainment, anything else will be unsettling.
Oh yeah, Postal, pretty vilified.

"warxsnake said:

"sabotaged by the media? how many 10's does a mediocre shooter with good multiplayer need ?"

Troll. The game is superb. There's no equal in terms of simulation of battles. The intensity is unmatchable, either on consoles or even the PC. It doesn't deserve a 10, it is a legendary game that sets a new standard for FPSes.Unlike other games, where you are guided through the map and the enemies conveniently appear right in from of you (oh BTW, they stand perfectly still for you to aim) and then you kill them (always only 2 or 4) and walk some more while listening to some lame dialogue, in KZ2 you are being shot at from several directions and fighting much more enemies that constantly move seeking cover. Even then they don't stay on the same place for too long. The Helghast give you no time to rest and when you think you are done some more appear from another place you hadn't imagined. Intense is the best word to describe it. In many parts you need to push the enemies back, you feel like every centimeter is hardly fought for with lots of chaos happening around you. You don't find that anywhere else. "

It's not trolling, it's something called opinion and I am entitled to one, thanks.