Too Human.. No Reviews yet.. Very bad sign

for those that are seasoned in game forums and typically how online game reviews work, we all know if a anticipated game doesnt start getting reviews until the day before or the day of the game that cant be a good sing.  Look at Haze as the perfect example, it didnt start getting its reviews until the day before release.  Not only that but the only review Too Human has gotten  that is actually credible is Game Informer which gave it a 6.75.  So yea, unfortunatley it looks as though this game will flop

only if you're the type of person that needs review scores to justify what you think of as your own opinion.

"only if you're the type of person that needs review scores to justify what you think of as your own opinion."

The game has an embargoe that ends at about 2 PM on August 19th. Multiple journalists have stated this fact. Only magazines and paid exclusives (possibly IGN) might have a review up before then.

I'm not going to say the GameInformer review was invalid, but after reading scans, and corroborating information with several other people on TooHuman.net, the general consensus was that the reviewer was terrible at the game. I don't care whether you take that into consideration or not, I'm just putting the fact out there.

"SolemnOaf said:

"only if you're the type of person that needs review scores to justify what you think of as your own opinion."

Actually yes i am that type. Whoever says "reviews dont matter" are in denial, yes reviews matter A LOT.  Everytime i went against the general reviews and bought or rented the game anyway, I was ALWAYS disappointed and 90% of the time I end up feeling the same exact way about the game that the reviewers felt.  Most recent example is Army Of Two, I played the demo and liked it, so i decided to buy it and 3 hours later i was regretting my decision big time. The point is, YES reviews do matter 90% of the time.. Now I will admit that sometimes reviewers rate games way higher than the game deserves hence GTA IV, that game deserved no more than a 8 but yet managed to get 10s across the board,"

"The game has an embargoe that ends at about 2 PM on August 19th. Multiple journalists have stated this fact. Only magazines and paid exclusives (possibly IGN) might have a review up before then.

I'm not going to say the GameInformer review was invalid, but after reading scans, and corroborating information with several other people on TooHuman.net, the general consensus was that the reviewer was terrible at the game. I don't care whether you take that into consideration or not, I'm just putting the fact out there."

"KillzonePS360 said:

"SolemnOaf said:

"only if you're the type of person that needs review scores to justify what you think of as your own opinion."

Actually yes i am that type. Whoever says "reviews dont matter" are in denial, yes reviews matter A LOT.  Everytime i went against the general reviews and bought or rented the game anyway, I was ALWAYS disappointed and 90% of the time I end up feeling the same exact way about the game that the reviewers felt.  Most recent example is Army Of Two, I played the demo and liked it, so i decided to buy it and 3 hours later i was regretting my decision big time. The point is, YES reviews do matter 90% of the time.. Now I will admit that sometimes reviewers rate games way higher than the game deserves hence GTA IV, that game deserved no more than a 8 but yet managed to get 10s across the board,"

I have no comment that would be of value to someone of your mentality.
"

"Jayge said:

"The game has an embargoe that ends at about 2 PM on August 19th. Multiple journalists have stated this fact. Only magazines and paid exclusives (possibly IGN) might have a review up before then.

I'm not going to say the GameInformer review was invalid, but after reading scans, and corroborating information with several other people on TooHuman.net, the general consensus was that the reviewer was terrible at the game. I don't care whether you take that into consideration or not, I'm just putting the fact out there."

you see, why would a game have a embargoe until the day it comes out!  games like MGS4, GTA IV, Halo 3 ALL games that got amazing reviews where reviewed a week sometimes 2 weeks before the game came out!! Haze had the same type embargoe and we all know how that turned out.. Sound like to me Silicon Knights forced the embargoe so those 1 million pre orders dont get cancelled due to the mediocre reviews this game is going to get.. Name one game that didnt get any reviews until the day it came out and the reviews where actually positive"

You again?

"Rowr said:

"KillzonePS360 said:

"SolemnOaf said:

"only if you're the type of person that needs review scores to justify what you think of as your own opinion."

Actually yes i am that type. Whoever says "reviews dont matter" are in denial, yes reviews matter A LOT.  Everytime i went against the general reviews and bought or rented the game anyway, I was ALWAYS disappointed and 90% of the time I end up feeling the same exact way about the game that the reviewers felt.  Most recent example is Army Of Two, I played the demo and liked it, so i decided to buy it and 3 hours later i was regretting my decision big time. The point is, YES reviews do matter 90% of the time.. Now I will admit that sometimes reviewers rate games way higher than the game deserves hence GTA IV, that game deserved no more than a 8 but yet managed to get 10s across the board,"

I have no comment that would be of value to someone of your mentality.
"

Nor do I. My post below his was made before I knew he had posted that. >.<"

Read the edit I just made to the post you just quoted. I don't actually *know* of any games that scored a 6.5 specifically that I have, as I don't memorize and obsess over reviews. To assume that gamers who "go against the grain" (lol golfing term) pretend to enjoy the games that get panned by critics is preposterous.

If you'd like, I can go to Metacritic and go through multiple lists of scores for platforms, picking out good but not necessarily amazing games that many people enjoyed despite reviews. Do you want me to spoon-feed intelligence to you?

"Rowr said:

"KillzonePS360 said:

"SolemnOaf said:

"only if you're the type of person that needs review scores to justify what you think of as your own opinion."

Actually yes i am that type. Whoever says "reviews dont matter" are in denial, yes reviews matter A LOT.  Everytime i went against the general reviews and bought or rented the game anyway, I was ALWAYS disappointed and 90% of the time I end up feeling the same exact way about the game that the reviewers felt.  Most recent example is Army Of Two, I played the demo and liked it, so i decided to buy it and 3 hours later i was regretting my decision big time. The point is, YES reviews do matter 90% of the time.. Now I will admit that sometimes reviewers rate games way higher than the game deserves hence GTA IV, that game deserved no more than a 8 but yet managed to get 10s across the board,"

I have no comment that would be of value to someone of your mentality.
"

Nor do I. My post below his was made before I knew he had posted that. >.<

KillzonePS360 said:

"Jayge said:

"The game has an embargoe that ends at about 2 PM on August 19th. Multiple journalists have stated this fact. Only magazines and paid exclusives (possibly IGN) might have a review up before then.

I'm not going to say the GameInformer review was invalid, but after reading scans, and corroborating information with several other people on TooHuman.net, the general consensus was that the reviewer was terrible at the game. I don't care whether you take that into consideration or not, I'm just putting the fact out there."

you see, why would a game have a embargoe until the day it comes out!  games like MGS4, GTA IV, Halo 3 ALL games that got amazing reviews where reviewed a week sometimes 2 weeks before the game came out!! Haze had the same type embargoe and we all know how that turned out.. Sound like to me Silicon Knights forced the embargoe so those 1 million pre orders dont get cancelled due to the mediocre reviews this game is going to get.. Name one game that didnt get any reviews until the day it came out and the reviews where actually positive"

Actually, Halo, GTA, MGS4 (especially) all had specific embargoes on them too. Many triple-A games have, and many terrible games have. The date the embargoes lift is inconsequential. They're not unique to any economic or quality-related situation. Stop being a sensationalist."

All of those games had embargoes. I suggest you go and, you know, look up what an embargo is.

The thing is publishers don't want reviews coming out before the game is released because they can damage the game's sales if the reviews are negative. So if you don't see reviews until the day of release, you know it's because the publisher was blocking bad reviews.

"Jayge said:

"Rowr said:

"KillzonePS360 said:

"SolemnOaf said:

"only if you're the type of person that needs review scores to justify what you think of as your own opinion."

Actually yes i am that type. Whoever says "reviews dont matter" are in denial, yes reviews matter A LOT.  Everytime i went against the general reviews and bought or rented the game anyway, I was ALWAYS disappointed and 90% of the time I end up feeling the same exact way about the game that the reviewers felt.  Most recent example is Army Of Two, I played the demo and liked it, so i decided to buy it and 3 hours later i was regretting my decision big time. The point is, YES reviews do matter 90% of the time.. Now I will admit that sometimes reviewers rate games way higher than the game deserves hence GTA IV, that game deserved no more than a 8 but yet managed to get 10s across the board,"

I have no comment that would be of value to someone of your mentality.
"

Nor do I. My post below his was made before I knew he had posted that. >.<

KillzonePS360 said:

"Jayge said:

"The game has an embargoe that ends at about 2 PM on August 19th. Multiple journalists have stated this fact. Only magazines and paid exclusives (possibly IGN) might have a review up before then.

I'm not going to say the GameInformer review was invalid, but after reading scans, and corroborating information with several other people on TooHuman.net, the general consensus was that the reviewer was terrible at the game. I don't care whether you take that into consideration or not, I'm just putting the fact out there."

you see, why would a game have a embargoe until the day it comes out!  games like MGS4, GTA IV, Halo 3 ALL games that got amazing reviews where reviewed a week sometimes 2 weeks before the game came out!! Haze had the same type embargoe and we all know how that turned out.. Sound like to me Silicon Knights forced the embargoe so those 1 million pre orders dont get cancelled due to the mediocre reviews this game is going to get.. Name one game that didnt get any reviews until the day it came out and the reviews where actually positive"

Actually, Halo, GTA, MGS4 (especially) all had specific embargoes on them too. Many triple-A games have, and many terrible games have. The date the embargoes lift is inconsequential. They're not unique to any economic or quality-related situation. Stop being a sensationalist."

Wait, Halo, GTA and MGS4 where all reviewed a week before the game came out, none of those games had embargoes which wouldnt all them to review the game until the day it came out! I dont know where you are getting your info"

Reviews can make or break a game..they matter in general to that games developers, and I know there are plenty of people that won't even think of buying a game unless it does well(hence sometimes being dissapointed) everyone can keep their own opinion of a game, and its the only one you should take seriously, I completely agree...but reviews do need to be there for every game when they come out still.

edit- yeah andrewgasper is right, when someone has a new game coming out(especially a new IP touting as being something big) they don't want it done until the last minute and people waste their money on it assuming its good...but its not their choice, its the reviewers..so it would be nice to see them come out today or tomorrow...

I think some of you are being slightly obtuse. He isn't stating that he changes his opinion to fit that of the reviewer's, just in general experience he has found it more efficient to follow their guidance.

Also I'm slightly sure that the embargo held on MGS4 was on things to do with the storyline not overall quality of the game.

Embargoes have nothing to do with the quality of the game, in general. in the case of MGS4, the embargo stated that reviewers were not allowed to mention certain things in their reviews. That's the only time I've ever heard of that happening.

A new IP will often not get reviewed until a few days before release, if not release day. New IPs generally carry a huge risk factor, and producers/PR companies generally do not allow sites to put up definitive information before it is necessary. In this case, it would be Microsoft who set the embargo up, and given the amount of faith they've shown in the project over the last 3 years, I don't think it's because they are seriously scared of it bombing. It's just common procedure for these projects. They want to control the flow of the information. Things still trickle out though.

"Also I'm slightly sure that the embargo held on MGS4 was on things to do with the storyline not overall quality of the game."

"The game has an embargoe that ends at about 2 PM on August 19th. Multiple journalists have stated this fact. Only magazines and paid exclusives (possibly IGN) might have a review up before then.

I'm not going to say the GameInformer review was invalid, but after reading scans, and corroborating information with several other people on TooHuman.net, the general consensus was that the reviewer was terrible at the game. I don't care whether you take that into consideration or not, I'm just putting the fact out there."

"Jayge said:

"The game has an embargoe that ends at about 2 PM on August 19th. Multiple journalists have stated this fact. Only magazines and paid exclusives (possibly IGN) might have a review up before then.

I'm not going to say the GameInformer review was invalid, but after reading scans, and corroborating information with several other people on TooHuman.net, the general consensus was that the reviewer was terrible at the game. I don't care whether you take that into consideration or not, I'm just putting the fact out there."

Game Informer just sucks, eh? Be it their blatant disregard for Nintendo (Even DS) or their ability at games, they just F......F.......FAIL."

Reviews only matter for games that have not gotten enough pre-launch coverage to show their true value. For example, I am not going to buy The Force Unleashed until I see a review for it. On the otherhand, I will buy Fallout 3 and Far Cry 2 without even caring to look what critics give them.

I couldn't care less about Too Human because I personally think it looks like crap, but I've been wrong before and I agree with Solid that reviews will play a large part in whether or not people buy this game.

a review only states the opinion of one single person. sometimes it might be 2 people that agreed about what to write. 

The game, based on my experience with the demo, will be a mediocre loot-fest and I will play it alongside the other games I'm playing until some better games come out.  This group of people who have blown its merits out of proportion are people like you who care more about arguing the superiority of a hardware company than playing the games.

If you don't want to play it, already know you aren't going to like it because you think it won't be reviewed well (which is one of the dumbest things I've tried to wrap my head around all day), and are just bringing it up to antagonize people because your life sucks and you have nothing better to do, then SHUT THE FUCK UP!

No one cares what you think about a game you don't care about.  Go figure.  The game will probably get 6's and 7's and I'll still enjoy it because I'm a loot whore.  I've enjoyed many games that weren't reviewed well, and if you never have, well that's just great for you.  Of course our most secret desire is to aspire to be more like you.

Go die in a fire.

(directed at KillzonePS360 not Tarsier, just didn't want to quote)

"The game is shit. Stop hyping shit games."

@MisoRonery: 2 thumps up. a little blunt, but well spoken :)

I think I'm going to actually buy Too Human because I enjoy getting phat lewtz.  That's enough for me.

"Sherlock_Pwnz said:

"Also I'm slightly sure that the embargo held on MGS4 was on things to do with the storyline not overall quality of the game."

Actually, if I remember correctly, Konami asked reviewers not to mention the length of cutscenes. Since the cutscenes in a game like MGS4 tend to be longer than the norm, this would affect how reviewers would rate the quality of the game. If for example, a reviewer thought the cutscenes were too long but because they were obligated by the embargo they couldn't mention it, this would change their review."

"I think I'm going to actually buy Too Human because I enjoy getting phat lewtz.  That's enough for me."

Why eBay? 

well retail here in Australia im looking at $100 plus price tag.

Ebay purchase came to $63 dollars plus $8 postage and handling.

Ah, gotcha.  Make sense to do it that way.

or perhaps it's a bit of coincidence like they're um... stuck somewhere? :P

Its safe to say that this game will not be remembered

"or perhaps it's a bit of coincidence like they're um... stuck somewhere? :P"

"SolemnOaf said:

"only if you're the type of person that needs review scores to justify what you think of as your own opinion."

Actually yes i am that type. Whoever says "reviews dont matter" are in denial, yes reviews matter A LOT.  Everytime i went against the general reviews and bought or rented the game anyway, I was ALWAYS disappointed and 90% of the time I end up feeling the same exact way about the game that the reviewers felt.  Most recent example is Army Of Two, I played the demo and liked it, so i decided to buy it and 3 hours later i was regretting my decision big time. The point is, YES reviews do matter 90% of the time.. Now I will admit that sometimes reviewers rate games way higher than the game deserves hence GTA IV, that game deserved no more than a 8 but yet managed to get 10s across the board,"

I hope you are kidding.

There are plenty of awesome games that I would have never played if I just looked to MetaCritic for guidance. Input from friends, as well as from reviewers I'm familiar with, is a lot more valuable than the opinion of some stranger whose taste in games and review conditions are things I'm totally unaware of.

Yeah in my experience a delayed review usually means the publisher didnt get the game to reviewers until later than normal because they expect it to sell well but wont do as great if bad reviews come out first.  The delayed reviews probably mean the publisher and developer realize the game sucks.

"Yeah in my experience a delayed review usually means the publisher didnt get the game to reviewers until later than normal because they expect it to sell well but wont do as great if bad reviews come out first.  The delayed reviews probably mean the publisher and developer realize the game sucks."

"TheHBK said:

"Yeah in my experience a delayed review usually means the publisher didnt get the game to reviewers until later than normal because they expect it to sell well but wont do as great if bad reviews come out first.  The delayed reviews probably mean the publisher and developer realize the game sucks."

Some of you really just need knowledge given to you by suppository don't you?"

"Sherlock_Pwnz said:

"Also I'm slightly sure that the embargo held on MGS4 was on things to do with the storyline not overall quality of the game."

Actually, if I remember correctly, Konami asked reviewers not to mention the length of cutscenes. Since the cutscenes in a game like MGS4 tend to be longer than the norm, this would affect how reviewers would rate the quality of the game. If for example, a reviewer thought the cutscenes were too long but because they were obligated by the embargo they couldn't mention it, this would change their review."

"Jayge said:

"TheHBK said:

"Yeah in my experience a delayed review usually means the publisher didnt get the game to reviewers until later than normal because they expect it to sell well but wont do as great if bad reviews come out first.  The delayed reviews probably mean the publisher and developer realize the game sucks."

Some of you really just need knowledge given to you by suppository don't you?"

Youre mean :(

This is generally what happens when reviews dont come up until close to the games release, however Too Human apparently has an embargo that lifts on the 19th, so it could go either way. The guys seemed quite impressed on the latest podcast."

I did see one review that was substandard.  However, having played through the demo I have to disagree with that reviewer.   It's not perfect but it's a darn good game with an engaging story in my opinion.  The demo led me to reserve a copy for day one pickup.  (But again, that's my personal opinion.)

Wait, I'm not trying to be antagonistic here but I'd really like to know what games on Metacritic got a 6.5 and below that lots of people liked.

Why do you make these assumptions? It's possible that you are just a Sony fanboy and you put 360 on the back of your name in attempt to sound like you are a balanced gamer. Judging by the last posts that you have made, I think I hold my stance there. I haven't played the whole game yet so I will hold out until I see a good number of reviews.

"brukaoru said:

"Sherlock_Pwnz said:

"Also I'm slightly sure that the embargo held on MGS4 was on things to do with the storyline not overall quality of the game."

Actually, if I remember correctly, Konami asked reviewers not to mention the length of cutscenes. Since the cutscenes in a game like MGS4 tend to be longer than the norm, this would affect how reviewers would rate the quality of the game. If for example, a reviewer thought the cutscenes were too long but because they were obligated by the embargo they couldn't mention it, this would change their review."

I did not know this. It's a tough one though as I can see both sides. Some would state that the embargo was in place as to not let people dwell upon this fact as many could find the game experience great even though they don't like the idea of long cut scenes. One would believe that if a reviewer really felt it made a difference then it would be reflected in the scoring. I personally however, feel that this is overstepping the mark.

When it comes to games scoring, I feel that it is essential to read the reviews and not the scores.The aspects of games can appeal to you and some things that people find terrible might not affect you a great deal."

Most games aren't reviewed until the day before, or on the day of release.

"Wait, I'm not trying to be antagonistic here but I'd really like to know what games on Metacritic got a 6.5 and below that lots of people liked."

"Most games aren't reviewed until the day before, or on the day of release."

"Bulldog19892 said:

"Most games aren't reviewed until the day before, or on the day of release."

They write those reviews in advance, and usually embargos don't apply to scores of 90% or better."

"KingBroly said:

"Bulldog19892 said:

"Most games aren't reviewed until the day before, or on the day of release."

They write those reviews in advance, and usually embargos don't apply to scores of 90% or better."

News to me. Where do you get this from?"