Mega Man 3 shouldn't be in the bad list and RE3 was worse than RE2 imo. Not saying it should be in the bad list but I'm not sure i would say it qualifies as a "best" #3 game.
Mega Man 3 shouldn't be in the bad list and RE3 was worse than RE2 imo. Not saying it should be in the bad list but I'm not sure i would say it qualifies as a "best" #3 game.
Also, I thought that Warrior Within was better than The Two Thrones. Even though neither game had the magic of the first one, and some of the "darker and edgier" BS from WW was totally stupid, I enjoyed the setup with you being pursued by this unstoppable beast a lot more. That along with the Back to The Future time travel story, the late-game sand wraith which was totally badass, and the "secret Water Sword for best ending" payoff made it ultimatly more appealing to me.
Two Thrones felt a lot like them trying to set things straight after the overall reaction to WW, which probably was a good idea, though I wasn't a big fan of how they tried to tie everything together with the princess and the vizier (I was also super disappointed at how the "all that is yours, is rightfully mine!" teaser at the end of WW ended up playing out). It has it's moments, like when the prince finds his slain father's sword, but I thought it was just a decent end to a shaky triology.
I also really hated how it didn't have decapitations or cutting a guy in half when most of the kill animations were the same as in PoP2, it made combat a lot less satisfying.
Mega Man 3 shouldn't be in the bad list and RE3 was worse than RE2 imo. Not saying it should be in the bad list but I'm not sure i would say it qualifies as a "best" #3 game.
ok I've gotten two votes to remove RE3 so I will
Now you just have to move it over to the slightly disappointing pile.
That's a pretty misleading thread title for what you're going for you got there.
Nothing can touch Timesplitters 2 for me, but I do believe Timesplitters: Future Perfect was an immensely enjoyable game. Same with SSX Tricky and SSX 3; Tricky was a fantastic game and 3 was as well, but in a different way. Cannot think of any third game into a series that put me off playing those games though. I thought Crackdown 2 wore out its welcome far earlier than Crackdown, and Tomb Raider's Angel of Darkness I thought was a weak entry in that franchise.
well i disagree with RB3, UC3 and ME3 but each to his own i guess
Those games are not bad at all but not as good as the previous ones.
You just said they aren't bad games, but you put them in the bad list. Not being as good as a previous game doesn't categorize a game as bad, it is a game that didn't meet expectations.
According to your criteria of being sort of a letdown in the series I nominate:
-Phantasy Star III
-Final Fantasy III
-Myst III: Exile
It seems like if a series makes it to a third game it's usually not awful. Maybe I just haven't played too many bad "3" games, or think they're bad.
FF3 was awesome when it came out. And a big step up from FF2. Also, I enjoyed Myst 3 more than Riven. It could be that my install of Riven kept on crashing and messing up my saves though. It was a great game none the less.
*edit* Hmm, you might be talking about FF6 vs. FF4 though... Not as crazy. I can see that. Although, most people would still disagree with you as FF6 is one of the most beloved in the franchise.
@Shun_Akiyama: Probably not the one most will be arguing about, but Donkey Kong Country 3 was a great game, 2 was the best, and the 1st and 3rd were just as good as each other.
@Shun_Akiyama: @James_Giant_Peach: Your lists are spot-on except for one glaring error: Contra III: The Alien Wars was fucking awesome! Why is it on your worst lists?
No I'm talking about the NES version of FF III. Taken with the series as a whole it's somewhat of a disappointing game. It's better than II yes, but that game is almost what I would call bad.
If Master of Orion 3 isn't at the top of the worst list I don't know what is. I was so disgusted with that game I uninstalled it and smashed the CDs. Picking up the razor-sharp shards afterward was totally worth it.
Disgaea 3 was certainly not a disappointment. Most of the systems were improved and everything felt a whole lot better in general. I didn't really like the cast of main characters in 2 or 3, but that's not why most people play those games in the first place. If anything Disgaea 2 was the disappointment, because Laharl is infinitely better than Adell.
Disgaea 3 was awesome.
Edit: After thinking about this a bit, I think that Disgaea 2 is the worst in the series.
Doom 3 shouldn't be in any worst catagory... The game basically evolved so many factors in gaming today. Its graphically better than some of todays games even. See, back then, even when the game was announced, textures were flat. Very boring. But with doom 3, mars came to life. Textures popped out. And, its the only truely scary game I've ever played by a long shot. Even the original fear, took soooo many cues from it. So many people who had a problem with the game, played the nasty brown and grainy xbox port. Play the game on just about any pc today, on a nice sound system, and be amazied. Easily much better than the first 2, doom 64, and final doom.
Resistence 3, its not a good game. But....considering how awful the first 2 were, it does certainly beat them out by a long shot.
And mega man 3- better than mega man 1 and 2. 1s broken in spots, 2 was great- but it has a few broken parts of its own. 3 was finally the complete mega man experience. Definately needs taken out of the bad category.
well i disagree with RB3, UC3 and ME3 but each to his own i guess
Those games are not bad at all but not as good as the previous ones.
You just said they aren't bad games, but you put them in the bad list. Not being as good as a previous game doesn't categorize a game as bad, it is a game that didn't meet expectations.
It's just shorthand Mr. take everything so damn seriously
Disgaea 3 was certainly not a disappointment. Most of the systems were improved and everything felt a whole lot better in general. I didn't really like the cast of main characters in 2 or 3, but that's not why most people play those games in the first place. If anything Disgaea 2 was the disappointment, because Laharl is infinitely better than Adell.
Disgaea 3 was awesome.
Edit: After thinking about this a bit, I think that Disgaea 2 is the worst in the series.
That's crazy to say that the characters are not the reason people play those games for. I think Disgaea 3 is the worst one. it's just a rehash of Disgaea 1's story but with different characters, and the characters are hardly little more than re-skined disaea 1 characters.
@Shun_Akiyama: You are contradicting yourself by saying that a game is bad, when you don't actually think it is. I am not taking it to seriously, you just need to put more thought into what you write. Either stand by your claims or articulate what you really think instead of making a poor list.
@Shun_Akiyama: You are contradicting yourself by saying that a game is bad, when you don't actually think it is. I am not taking it to seriously, you just need to put more thought into what you write. Either stand by your claims or articulate what you really think instead of making a poor list.
@Shun_Akiyama: You are contradicting yourself by saying that a game is bad, when you don't actually think it is. I am not taking it to seriously, you just need to put more thought into what you write. Either stand by your claims or articulate what you really think instead of making a poor list.
I don't think you know what shorthand is.
I do know what shorthand is, but your original post specifically had the labels: Good and Bad. Nothing else. It doesn't matter what you meant to say, all that was there for us was Good and Bad, which means everything under the bad column is considered bad by you. You have obviously fixed it since your original post, which shows that you know you fucked up, so I dont know why you are arguing. You messed up, you fixed the mistake, and now it is done. Argument over.
No I'm talking about the NES version of FF III. Taken with the series as a whole it's somewhat of a disappointing game. It's better than II yes, but that game is almost what I would call bad.
Sure, on that I'm totally with you. I wasn't talking about FF3 contra the newer games though, only compared to FF1 and FF2 - its quality as a sequel. It's hard to figure out the terms and rules behind this thread though.
Best would be Super Mario Bros. 3 and Ratchet and Clank: Up Your Arsenal Worst would be Jak 3 (still a good game it just relied to heavily on vehicle and gimmick levels instead of platforming) and Sly 3 (same problem)
Whoa... the majority of the games you named on the bad list aren't bad at all. I wouldn't even say worse then the previous installments, not better, but definitely not worse.
Disgaea 3 was certainly not a disappointment. Most of the systems were improved and everything felt a whole lot better in general. I didn't really like the cast of main characters in 2 or 3, but that's not why most people play those games in the first place. If anything Disgaea 2 was the disappointment, because Laharl is infinitely better than Adell.
Disgaea 3 was awesome.
Edit: After thinking about this a bit, I think that Disgaea 2 is the worst in the series.
That's crazy to say that the characters are not the reason people play those games for. I think Disgaea 3 is the worst one. it's just a rehash of Disgaea 1's story but with different characters, and the characters are hardly little more than re-skined disaea 1 characters.
I'll give you that it's crazy to say that people don't play those games for the characters. That was me projecting myself onto everyone else. I play Disgaea because I think the gameplay is great. I love how all the numbers are insane and there's so much leveling up to be done. If the characters were blobs with no personality I'd still play. The depth of character development through leveling and items is bananas.
It sounds like you only think Disgaea 3 is "worse" because the story is more or less a rehashed version of the first game, which is somewhat true. That doesn't at all take the gameplay into account, which was vastly improved from Disgaea 2. To each his own I guess.
I take issue with this one! Rock Band 3 is amazing, and while Uncharted 2 is better than Uncharted 3, Uncharted 3 is still one of the best games of 2011 AND better than the original.
Disgaea 3 was certainly not a disappointment. Most of the systems were improved and everything felt a whole lot better in general. I didn't really like the cast of main characters in 2 or 3, but that's not why most people play those games in the first place. If anything Disgaea 2 was the disappointment, because Laharl is infinitely better than Adell.
Disgaea 3 was awesome.
Edit: After thinking about this a bit, I think that Disgaea 2 is the worst in the series.
That's crazy to say that the characters are not the reason people play those games for. I think Disgaea 3 is the worst one. it's just a rehash of Disgaea 1's story but with different characters, and the characters are hardly little more than re-skined disaea 1 characters.
I'll give you that it's crazy to say that people don't play those games for the characters. That was me projecting myself onto everyone else. I play Disgaea because I think the gameplay is great. I love how all the numbers are insane and there's so much leveling up to be done. The depth of character development through leveling and items is bananas.
It sounds like you only think Disgaea 3 is "worse" because the story is more or less a rehashed version of the first game, which is somewhat true. That doesn't at all take the gameplay into account, which was vastly improved from Disgaea 2. To each his own I guess.
Well I play them for the story and characters, but you don't. So my reason would be more than enough to someone that plays them for the story. I also the new stuff isn't very useful. I never used magic change once. With effort it takes to level up a monster to be a useful magic change weapon, you could just level up a human who are more useful all around.
No I'm talking about the NES version of FF III. Taken with the series as a whole it's somewhat of a disappointing game. It's better than II yes, but that game is almost what I would call bad.
Sure, on that I'm totally with you. I wasn't talking about FF3 contra the newer games though, only compared to FF1 and FF2 - its quality as a sequel. It's hard to figure out the terms and rules behind this thread though.
I guess you're right. I still think the first Final Fantasy is my favorite of the NES set, but III did have some improvements, namely the deep class system.
Disgaea 3 was certainly not a disappointment. Most of the systems were improved and everything felt a whole lot better in general. I didn't really like the cast of main characters in 2 or 3, but that's not why most people play those games in the first place. If anything Disgaea 2 was the disappointment, because Laharl is infinitely better than Adell.
Disgaea 3 was awesome.
Edit: After thinking about this a bit, I think that Disgaea 2 is the worst in the series.
That's crazy to say that the characters are not the reason people play those games for. I think Disgaea 3 is the worst one. it's just a rehash of Disgaea 1's story but with different characters, and the characters are hardly little more than re-skined disaea 1 characters.
I'll give you that it's crazy to say that people don't play those games for the characters. That was me projecting myself onto everyone else. I play Disgaea because I think the gameplay is great. I love how all the numbers are insane and there's so much leveling up to be done. The depth of character development through leveling and items is bananas.
It sounds like you only think Disgaea 3 is "worse" because the story is more or less a rehashed version of the first game, which is somewhat true. That doesn't at all take the gameplay into account, which was vastly improved from Disgaea 2. To each his own I guess.
Well I play them for the story and characters, but you don't. So my reason would be more than enough to someone that plays them for the story. I also the new stuff isn't very useful. I never used magic change once. With effort it takes to level up a monster to be a useful magic change weapon, you could just level up a human who are more useful all around.
Magichange adds 30% of the monsters stats to the character who has them equipped. When you have a fully leveled human using a fully leveled monster the effects are devastating. It's helpful if you have them in the club that extends the length of the magi-change.
The changes other than that were pretty significant as well. The class world made skill transfer much better in my opinion. It also allowed for reasonable duping , so leveling the characters could go much faster. Killing the dropouts drastically boosts all aptitudes. This change was crucial and it carried over to Disgaea 4.
Changing the geo-symbols to geo blocks made everything much crazier, because it allowed for the effects to be stacked on top of one another. It makes the geomancer an awesome class to boot.
From a gameplay perspective these things are all huge and they're all carried over to Disgaea 4.
Sly 3 - Adding 2 more characters in 2 was a good idea, but Sly 3's cast way overdid it by having so many, most of which only existed in the form of minigames. Sly is best when you're playing as Sly, and it would have been better to focus on the platforming and story rather than adding variety for variety's sake. Hopefully Sly 4 will get it right
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