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#1  Edited By BlackHeronBlue

As of now, we have games, movies, and TV running in HD (shiny buildings!), giving joy to our eyes with the hyper-realistic shots of skylines, etc. And you can't help but think, this is pretty much as good as it can get, is there anything more to achieve in the image department? If you can see the pours on a guy's face in a movie more vividly than in real life, what comes after that? It probably won't be anything in the audio department, because the DTS HD Audio in 5.1 pretty much covers the whole audible experience. So if we have perfect image and perfect sound, what is the next logical step in technology? I imagine it would have to be some kind of device that streams directly into your head, matrix style. Holographic images would actually be a downstep because they will always be semi-transparent. Not fun watching something with your fat neighbor's ass shining through it. So I don't know what could be better than HD. What do you think?

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#2  Edited By JJWeatherman

It's looking like 3D may be that next step. I'm still not sold on it though.

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#3  Edited By Al3xand3r

Erm, check out a few PC games in person? The current so called HD is gonna be considered borderline low-res in a couple of years. Not to mention most console games run at sub-HD resolutions to (barely) keep a decent frame rate and lack any meaningful AA/AF settings. Image quality is far from perfected. So I'd guess the next logical step, other than the hyped 3D applications, is gonna be to actually deliver on their HD promises with good AA/AF and solid 60fps for all games, whether they're corridor shooters or vast open role playing games with abudant use of physics. Other than that, nope, I guess to the untrained eye there won't be much of a difference. But of course it's also going to be easier for less capable studios to make matching visuals when they have excess power leftover, so more games will look as good as only the few very, very best do nowadays, at least when it comes to technical terms and not art.

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#4  Edited By Ramyun

Then there will be 3D!!!!!!
 
Seriously though, I don't think there needs to be an upgrade from pure HD since that difference in visual quality won't be that significant to warrant an upgrade. The next step for me would only be virtual reality.

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#5  Edited By AhmadMetallic

I dont really care :\

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#6  Edited By xpgamer7

depth. when you watch a movie the backround is blurred. imagine things looking like real life.
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3D is only an awkward side step

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#8  Edited By penguindust

I thought the next step was playing games using a condemned prisoner avatar.  Hmm, has Hollywood lied to me?

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#9  Edited By unclejohnny79

Higher Defination?

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#10  Edited By Brendan

HerD
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#11  Edited By The_A_Drain
@unclejohnny79 said:
" Higher Defination? "
This. 
 
Besides why are people so worried about the next big thing? Half the world hasn't even adopted HDTV yet, let alone thinking about something bigger. And as many people have pointed out, HD resolution has been outclassed by PC monitors already anyway. HD was hardly a massive technological step forward anyway, it's just regular TV with more pixels, easily taken advantage of by digital signals. 
 
It's just regular TV, but bigger.
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#12  Edited By Organicalistic_
@OracleXIII: well people say 3d, but the problem with that is if you want the full 3d effect you have to not notice the borders of the screen, 3d works ok in our movie theaters, but in our home? No, unless we all had HUGE home theaters, I have not seen the 3ds, or anything else, but according to science 3d is just an optical illusion formed when visual media is filmed to have different shades of grey, I saw avatar 3d yesterday, and people are like YOU HAVE TO SSE THIS, but I felt it was a waste of money, the movie itself wasn't good and the odd creature sex was just odd, and the 3d wasnt that good at all, the stuff was blurry even with the glasses. So I can say that I am not going to buy a 3d tv, and my next tv will be what ever comes out next that will have better picture, because that could use some work.
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#13  Edited By thechriseverson

Possibly revisiting VR? i think we need to first get every game running in full HD first, personally, I think I'd be happy with that.

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#14  Edited By oldschool

Optical HD implants.  No more screen, you just lay back and it goes straight to the brain.  Porn will never be better  :/

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#15  Edited By The_A_Drain
@oldschool said:
" Optical HD implants.  No more screen, you just lay back and it goes straight to the brain.  Porn will never be better  :/ "
Or worse :O
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@Al3xand3r said:
" Erm, check out a few PC games in person? The current so called HD is gonna be considered borderline low-res in a couple of years. Not to mention most console games run at sub-HD resolutions to (barely) keep a decent frame rate and lack any meaningful AA/AF settings. Image quality is far from perfected. So I'd guess the next logical step, other than the hyped 3D applications, is gonna be to actually deliver on their HD promises with good AA/AF and solid 60fps for all games, whether they're corridor shooters or vast open role playing games with abudant use of physics. Other than that, nope, I guess to the untrained eye there won't be much of a difference. But of course it's also going to be easier for less capable studios to make matching visuals when they have excess power leftover, so more games will look as good as only the few very, very best do nowadays, at least when it comes to technical terms and not art. "
this mans got it. graphics have still got a considerable way to go. animation in particular is quite sub par.
 
really though, the next huge step (ala television itself, 2d to 3d, vhs to dvd etc) will be vr. still a real long way off though i imagine.
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#17  Edited By Yummylee

High-Definition-Three-Dimensional-Blu-Ray-Mind-Fuck. 

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#18  Edited By BlackHeronBlue

Yeah I agree that the next step in gaming technology is getting all games to run in 1080, instead of 720. But in movies... @organicalistic_: I don't get the whole 3d thing. My friend said that after seeing avatar in 3d in a theater she was feeling extremely depressed afterwards, when she had to go out of the theater. She said "I was such a bummer to go back to the shitty looking world we have to live in". I was like whaaaaaaaat. 3D is just an illusion and it has one major flaw. Even though you perceive things like if they're right next to you, but you can't fucking touch them. That pretty much kills the whole experience. It is kinda funny how people dodge bullets in their seats when watching a 3d movie. :D

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#19  Edited By oldschool
@The_A_Drain said:
" @oldschool said:
" Optical HD implants.  No more screen, you just lay back and it goes straight to the brain.  Porn will never be better  :/ "
Or worse :O "
One step closer to the Orgasmatron 3000.
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#20  Edited By DCFGS3

Is it bad I can't really tell the difference between HD and SD....?

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#21  Edited By meteora

3D. And after that, 4D...?
 
But regardless those standards aren't even going to be in widespread use until all of us gets HDTV.

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#22  Edited By hockeymask27

A retro SD craze

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#23  Edited By thechriseverson

Ha, Not really. Sometimes it is only really apparent when watching sport or when you see a panning landscape shot. It is certainly an improvement though, just more obvious at some times rather than others

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#24  Edited By JJWeatherman
@organicalistic_ said:
" @OracleXIII: well people say 3d, but the problem with that is if you want the full 3d effect you have to not notice the borders of the screen, 3d works ok in our movie theaters, but in our home? No, unless we all had HUGE home theaters, I have not seen the 3ds, or anything else, but according to science 3d is just an optical illusion formed when visual media is filmed to have different shades of grey, I saw avatar 3d yesterday, and people are like YOU HAVE TO SSE THIS, but I felt it was a waste of money, the movie itself wasn't good and the odd creature sex was just odd, and the 3d wasnt that good at all, the stuff was blurry even with the glasses. So I can say that I am not going to buy a 3d tv, and my next tv will be what ever comes out next that will have better picture, because that could use some work. "
I saw Avatar for the first time in 3D and wasn't too impressed either. It blurs easily in 3D and it just felt unnecessary. But dude, I just watched half the movie again on Blu-Ray and it was really awkward. It was like the character models were too crisp and clear. I honestly think it looks worse on Blu-Ray than in 3D even with the slight blur. The movie was made for 3D so I guess it makes sense but I was really surprised when the textures and visual effects I saw in theaters actually looked worse on a 1080p Blu-Ray.
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#25  Edited By BlackHeronBlue
@Xpgamer7 said:
" depth. when you watch a movie the backround is blurred. imagine things looking like real life. "
hmm, if you look at a person standing in front of you, the background and the peripheral are blurred as well. Just how the auto-focus in our eyes works. 
 
@Khann said:
" @Al3xand3r said:
" Erm, check out a few PC games in person? The current so called HD is gonna be considered borderline low-res in a couple of years. Not to mention most console games run at sub-HD resolutions to (barely) keep a decent frame rate and lack any meaningful AA/AF settings. Image quality is far from perfected. So I'd guess the next logical step, other than the hyped 3D applications, is gonna be to actually deliver on their HD promises with good AA/AF and solid 60fps for all games, whether they're corridor shooters or vast open role playing games with abudant use of physics. Other than that, nope, I guess to the untrained eye there won't be much of a difference. But of course it's also going to be easier for less capable studios to make matching visuals when they have excess power leftover, so more games will look as good as only the few very, very best do nowadays, at least when it comes to technical terms and not art. "
this mans got it. graphics have still got a considerable way to go. animation in particular is quite sub par.
 
really though, the next huge step (ala television itself, 2d to 3d, vhs to dvd etc) will be vr. still a real long way off though i imagine. "
I agree with this, however my question is more about movies than games. Games still have a loooong way to go before they start looking real. 
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@OracleXIII said:
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@Khann said:
" @Al3xand3r said:
" Erm, check out a few PC games in person? The current so called HD is gonna be considered borderline low-res in a couple of years. Not to mention most console games run at sub-HD resolutions to (barely) keep a decent frame rate and lack any meaningful AA/AF settings. Image quality is far from perfected. So I'd guess the next logical step, other than the hyped 3D applications, is gonna be to actually deliver on their HD promises with good AA/AF and solid 60fps for all games, whether they're corridor shooters or vast open role playing games with abudant use of physics. Other than that, nope, I guess to the untrained eye there won't be much of a difference. But of course it's also going to be easier for less capable studios to make matching visuals when they have excess power leftover, so more games will look as good as only the few very, very best do nowadays, at least when it comes to technical terms and not art. "
this mans got it. graphics have still got a considerable way to go. animation in particular is quite sub par.
 
really though, the next huge step (ala television itself, 2d to 3d, vhs to dvd etc) will be vr. still a real long way off though i imagine. "
I agree with this, however my question is more about movies than games. Games still have a loooong way to go before they start looking real.  "
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#27  Edited By BlackHeronBlue
@JJWeatherman: I just bought Avatar on Blu-ray yesterday. Figgered, if the chick liked the movie so much, I'ma put it on my ps3, give her a trip back to wonderland and get some booty. But now with what you're telling me I'm having second thoughts...
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#28  Edited By BlackHeronBlue
@DCFGS3 said:
" Is it bad I can't really tell the difference between HD and SD....? "
Hmm I dunno, get The Dark Knight on Dvd and Blu-ray. Watch the first 10 minutes on both. If you still can't tell the difference you either don't own an HDTV or you're vision is somehow compromised.
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#29  Edited By s10129107

SMELLOVISION!!! 
or even better TASTEOVISION!!! 
 
I wont be satisfied until all five of my senses are being numbed at once.

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#30  Edited By BlackHeronBlue
@s10129107 said:
" SMELLOVISION!!! or even better TASTEOVISION!!!  I wont be satisfied until all five of my senses are being numbed at once. "
smellovision could give a movie some more realism... but tasteovision? How would that work? The guy on screen eats a donut, you wanna feel the taste of that donut, without actually eating one? That would be confusing as hell. :D
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#31  Edited By Trilogy

MUSHD  or MegaUltraSuperHighDefinition

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#32  Edited By MattyFTM  Moderator
HXGA is next. It's very new technology, so it's a long way from being practical & affordable enough to end up in your average TV set or PC monitor, but we'll get there eventually. It allows for significantly higher resolutions than HD.
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#33  Edited By CL60
@DCFGS3 said:
" Is it bad I can't really tell the difference between HD and SD....? "
If you're just judging this off of watching TV. You're not watching HD channels. You are watching SD channels.
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#34  Edited By Romination

HHD!
It'll blow your socks off and have HIGHER DEFINITION THAN REAL LIFE

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#35  Edited By DCFGS3
@CL60 said:
" @DCFGS3 said:
" Is it bad I can't really tell the difference between HD and SD....? "
If you're just judging this off of watching TV. You're not watching HD channels. You are watching SD channels. "
No lol, I'm watching the HD channels, and the SD ones, I just don't see any noticeable difference.
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#36  Edited By clapperdude

After "HD" will come another marketing term to sell whatever the new  "standard range" of resolutions are. Sorry...HD...its w/o real meaning. Only there to make it easier to sell TVs and such. 
 

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#37  Edited By JJWeatherman
@OracleXIII said:
" @JJWeatherman: I just bought Avatar on Blu-ray yesterday. Figgered, if the chick liked the movie so much, I'ma put it on my ps3, give her a trip back to wonderland and get some booty. But now with what you're telling me I'm having second thoughts... "
Well I'm curious to hear your opinion on this. It could just be me. Anyways it still looked good, it just seemed kinda... off without the 3D.
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#38  Edited By Red12b

                                                    (Reich)
Super Heavy Califragilistic third^ dimensions of xtreme clarity?  
 
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#39  Edited By sodiumCyclops

3D and then just higher definition. 1080p will be the standard for resolution for quite a while though.

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#40  Edited By Coombs

Not 3D.
God please not 3D......

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surely 1080p/i will be replaced with a higher scale, maybe 2160p?

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#42  Edited By ninjakiller

The players are pushing 3d, but it will fail.  My guess will be 3d technology without glasses or special equipment.  As it stands now, 3d is impractical as you need glasses for everyone who will be watching.  Hosting a superbowl party becomes impossible.  

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#43  Edited By HitmanAgent47

It's obviously 3d is the next step, after that, virtual reality.

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#44  Edited By BlackHeronBlue
@ninjakiller: yeah that's pretty much the issue with 3d. it's not really 3d. it's 2d with glasses.
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#45  Edited By FCKSNAP

Please refer to this chart  from wikipedia. As you can clearly see, HD is only half way down the scale from the resolution standards set so far. 
 

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#46  Edited By callumbay

Super Turbo HD Remix.

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@OracleXIII:  I don't think i want to see the pores on a guys face in that much detail ;)
 
3D is the next step, though energy efficiency is also an important goal. The funny thing is that 'High Definition' isn't actually that high, and computers have had much higher resolution LCD's for a long time now. PC gamers with the most powerful rigs can have resolutions much-much higher than HD, the only problem there is that the games aren't detailed enough to justify the price tag of a setup like that and they probably have to manually go into the game's setup files to change the resolution settings to rediculous. Another important thing that new televisions are having is colored back-lighting or organic displays, but don't get conned by the guy living off-of commission; paying huge amounts more for those 'special' televisions just isn't worth it (i think anyway).
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#48  Edited By halberdierv2

meh, ill stick with my SDTV thank you very much .

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#50  Edited By floodiastus

Higher resolutions ofcourse, and bigger screens :)