Students Protest Against Education Cuts In Britain

Way to go UK students! Sounds like you guys are doing an awesome job. There's almost nothing to ad. You have the numbers, and that is a rare position to be in. You guys seem like you are over the threshold of critical mass, so just keep it up, and soak it all in.

these riots are the stupidest thing 
the cuts arent that bad, a few less girls will get to do sociology degrees 
boo fucking hoo 
(:smug: cos science is safe)

" Yes, student kids, you're entitled to be given everything a silver plate. These fucking whiney, self-entitled little cunts annoy the shit out of me. "

" @Sweep said:

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As for the violence

it's hard to pinpoint. When you have a crowd of 2000 people protesting peacefully, what's to stop 20 random dickheads who have nothing to do with the protest from jumping into the crowd and smashing something up? I know our protest certainly had a dozen members of the Socialist Workers Party who are the kind of left wing dickheads who hate the government so much they will try to jump on any protest bandwagon they can find.  
You can't have that many people who all feel exactly the same way, some people are angry and they want to express that anger. In contrast to the stories of violence, after the police van was smashed up it was actually surrounded by a ring of teenage girls who refused to let anyone else deface it. "

Is that supposed to mean something? What are they saying by defending the van? If they weren't idiots they would be at home, or in some other kind of protest.  I find that scenario depicted by the picture that you posted to be completely pythoneseque (since we're talking about Britain here, I can't think of a more accurate adjective). It's like the van is an endangered species all of a sudden. It made me laugh a bit.  If they message conveyed in that pathetic act is to "stop the violence" then I know not what they are doing in that crowd. And what if they did manage people to stop smashing the police van? What did they gain by it? The angry multitude would move on to smash another police/government vehicle or property. Honestly, no matter how noble the intentions of any of the participants may be, these riots are simply pathetic. "

It's good that this generation is finally finding a voice, because they are getting the shaft big time from the generation before them (I'm somewhere in between - in the semi-shafted age bracket).  Higher education was free a generation ago (albeit far more selective, as it should be) and now it isn't.  The average house price used to be 3x the average wage and now it's 10x the average wage (the supply is limited in order to keep prices artificially high for those that already own property, and/or force you to rent from those same people).  We used to have a first-rate military and now we are inheriting one which wouldn't even be able to protect parts of our own territory if it needed to (for reference: the US has 11 carrier groups - as of yesterday, the UK has 0).  The previous generation helped themselves to ridiculously generous public pension plans - plans which we'll have to pay for, but which cannot possibly ever be available to us. etc. etc.
 
It's not just one thing, it's everything taken together.  These kids were born into debt, will be forced further into debt to get an education (an education they need in order to pay off the debt they inherited), and then they'll spend their whole life in debt simply to put a roof over their head.  Not to mention that it's still the case where if you simply cannot be bothered to work at all, you will be fed, sheltered and have your kids raised for you by the working man (because Labour needed to buy three elections somehow).  It's not really surprising that there's all this resentment, because it feels like no matter how hard you try you are going to have your money taken from you to pay for somebody else's life or debt anyway - it's not quite communism, but it has the same demoralising effect and disincentive on effort.
 
Higher education should be state funded in this country - and I would not resent paying my tax towards it at all - but we also need to get a grip about just how many people should really be going in the first place.  There simply aren't enough jobs in our society which require a university education in order to justify sending 50% of young people to university, as evidenced by how many people come out of Uni and can't get a job, or end up doing something totally unrelated to their degree.  For some - even most - it is a pointless three year jolly which would have been better spent in work / apprenticeship.  University should be free, but it should be for the best and brightest this country has to offer, not for anybody that feels like going.  Pressuring the mediocre into a middling university education (and massive debt) isn't doing them any favours at all.  Have you seen some of the placards at these protests?  A lot of these kids clearly should not be anywhere near a university.

I had 5 hours of lectures and a mid-semester test so I missed the protests.

" @Detrian said:

" Wow people really don't understand how protests put pressure on the goverment? Really? Reeeeaally?  I don't know what's worse, that or the people dismissing the protest because the people dress "funny". "

Who are you quoting there when you quote funny? Your imaginary adversary? "

" these riots are the stupidest thing the cuts arent that bad, a few less girls will get to do sociology degrees boo fucking hoo (:smug: cos science is safe) "

We had some in Dublin the other week, way before the Brits copied us. We had a "peaceful" protest and then the riot police kicked the shit out of us. All in all, fun was had. 

" It's good that this generation is finally finding a voice, because they are getting the shaft big time from the generation before them (I'm somewhere in between - in the semi-shafted age bracket).  Higher education was free a generation ago (albeit far more selective, as it should be) and now it isn't.  The average house price used to be 3x the average wage and now it's 10x the average wage (the supply is limited in order to keep prices artificially high for those that already own property, and/or force you to rent from those same people).  We used to have a first-rate military and now we are inheriting one which wouldn't even be able to protect parts of our own territory if it needed to (for reference: the US has 11 carrier groups - as of yesterday, the UK has 0).  The previous generation helped themselves to ridiculously generous public pension plans - plans which we'll have to pay for, but which cannot possibly ever be available to us. etc. etc.
 
It's not just one thing, it's everything taken together.  These kids were born into debt, will be forced further into debt to get an education (an education they need in order to pay off the debt they inherited), and then they'll spend their whole life in debt simply to put a roof over their head.  Not to mention that it's still the case where if you simply cannot be bothered to work at all, you will be fed, sheltered and have your kids raised for you by the working man (because Labour needed to buy three elections somehow).  It's not really surprising that there's all this resentment, because it feels like no matter how hard you try you are going to have your money taken from you to pay for somebody else's life or debt anyway - it's not quite communism, but it has the same demoralising effect and disincentive on effort.
 
Higher education should be state funded in this country - and I would not resent paying my tax towards it at all - but we also need to get a grip about just how many people should really be going in the first place.  There simply aren't enough jobs in our society which require a university education in order to justify sending 50% of young people to university, as evidenced by how many people come out of Uni and can't get a job, or end up doing something totally unrelated to their degree.  For some - even most - it is a pointless three year jolly which would have been better spent in work / apprenticeship.  University should be free, but it should be for the best and brightest this country has to offer, not for anybody that feels like going.  Pressuring the mediocre into a middling university education (and massive debt) isn't doing them any favours at all.  Have you seen some of the placards at these protests?  A lot of these kids clearly should not be anywhere near a university. "

I'm super pissed about the price increase, I'm hoping to attend University next year and don't want this to affect me, I for one support these peaceful protests, and if I get the chance I will join in.

It's about time, I don'f for a second condone the fuckwits that are using it as an excuse to run riot, but we are getting fucked by the tories. I understand that there is a serious need for cuts, but it's the fucking poor that are having to pay for the banks fuckup. 
 
In france there was national outrage and civil unrest (to say the least) due to the increase of retirement age by two years. Look at what we are getting!!! More tax, less benefits for those who need it and now, an Englishman's son will be up to £30k in debt due to this!! 
 
Thank fuck I live in Scotland where there is free tuition, but that's not going to last long either.

wow and I thought a 40% increase over the past three years was bad, you guys just got a nice big 300% increase.

" @CookieMonster said:

" Theres a hella load of 'I'm cool because I hate on students.' comments in this thread. "

It must be easy living in a world where middle school never ends and the motivation behind everything is "being cool".  But then, if you weren't making vapid blanket statements like that I suppose you'd have nothing to say at all. Maybe next time, try saying nothing instead of revealing how obtuse and simple you are. "

" It's good that this generation is finally finding a voice, because they are getting the shaft big time from the generation before them (I'm somewhere in between - in the semi-shafted age bracket).  Higher education was free a generation ago (albeit far more selective, as it should be) and now it isn't.  The average house price used to be 3x the average wage and now it's 10x the average wage (the supply is limited in order to keep prices artificially high for those that already own property, and/or force you to rent from those same people).  We used to have a first-rate military and now we are inheriting one which wouldn't even be able to protect parts of our own territory if it needed to (for reference: the US has 11 carrier groups - as of yesterday, the UK has 0).  The previous generation helped themselves to ridiculously generous public pension plans - plans which we'll have to pay for, but which cannot possibly ever be available to us. etc. etc.
 
It's not just one thing, it's everything taken together.  These kids were born into debt, will be forced further into debt to get an education (an education they need in order to pay off the debt they inherited), and then they'll spend their whole life in debt simply to put a roof over their head.  Not to mention that it's still the case where if you simply cannot be bothered to work at all, you will be fed, sheltered and have your kids raised for you by the working man (because Labour needed to buy three elections somehow).  It's not really surprising that there's all this resentment, because it feels like no matter how hard you try you are going to have your money taken from you to pay for somebody else's life or debt anyway - it's not quite communism, but it has the same demoralising effect and disincentive on effort. 
 
Higher education should be state funded in this country - and I would not resent paying my tax towards it at all - but we also need to get a grip about just how many people should really be going in the first place.  There simply aren't enough jobs in our society which require a university education in order to justify sending 50% of young people to university, as evidenced by how many people come out of Uni and can't get a job, or end up doing something totally unrelated to their degree.  For some - even most - it is a pointless three year jolly which would have been better spent in work / apprenticeship.  University should be free, but it should be for the best and brightest this country has to offer, not for anybody that feels like going.  Pressuring the mediocre into a middling university education (and massive debt) isn't doing them any favours at all.  Have you seen some of the placards at these protests?  A lot of these kids clearly should not be anywhere near a university. "

" @ryanwho said:

" @CookieMonster said:

" Theres a hella load of 'I'm cool because I hate on students.' comments in this thread. "

It must be easy living in a world where middle school never ends and the motivation behind everything is "being cool".  But then, if you weren't making vapid blanket statements like that I suppose you'd have nothing to say at all. Maybe next time, try saying nothing instead of revealing how obtuse and simple you are. "

isn't 'whiney self inportant little cunts' not a complete and utter blanket statement? 
 
There is a load of student hate going on in this thread.  "

I'm disturbed by the kettling but I also think the student cause is too disjointed and unrealistic to prove useful. The socialist students organization is a good example of this. 

" @mikevanpwn said:

" Yeah!  Go UK!  Protest because the government can no longer afford all the programs you think you're entitled to! "

A government that can't "afford" to educate its citizens isn't a government, it's a power trip. "

Let me defend the government for a second 
 
first off we're in a period of austerity, the cuts are necessary and are going to hurt. We can't turn in to Ireland or Greece. Second the poorest families will pay less in the future than they do now, the burden will be felt on middle and upper classes. 
 
Yes cutting education is horrible, but its unavoidable. Its better that our government wants to get our financial house in order, unlike other countries like the US that like to sweep their debt under the rug and pretend it doesn't exist. 
 
And no one should ever vote for the Liberal Democrats again, they're a bunch of hypocrites.    

I guess its the juxtaposition of cutting funds here then seeing "royal marriage" in all the news that makes this feel like something that would happen in Saudi Arabia.

Youtube videos starting to flood in during the aftermath, video here of police horses charging groups of students standing in the street  
 

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About 75% of the people at these protests don't even care, they're just there for the fun of it. I'm pretty sure it won't affect people who are already in university and I think if half the people knew that they wouldn't show up.

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Everyone I saw in the Manchester ones looked like a bunch of self indulgent cunts who had nothing better to do.
 
I didnt even see one flipped car. Fucking layabouts. People were leaving class to join in. They shouldnt have been allowed back

" Let me defend the government for a second  first off we're in a period of austerity, the cuts are necessary and are going to hurt. We can't turn in to Ireland or Greece. Second the poorest families will pay less in the future than they do now, the burden will be felt on middle and upper classes.  Yes cutting education is horrible, but its unavoidable. Its better that our government wants to get our financial house in order, unlike other countries like the US that like to sweep their debt under the rug and pretend it doesn't exist.  And no one should ever vote for the Liberal Democrats again, they're a bunch of hypocrites.     "

" @CRAzYKiLL3R93 said:

" Let me defend the government for a second  first off we're in a period of austerity, the cuts are necessary and are going to hurt. We can't turn in to Ireland or Greece. Second the poorest families will pay less in the future than they do now, the burden will be felt on middle and upper classes.  Yes cutting education is horrible, but its unavoidable. Its better that our government wants to get our financial house in order, unlike other countries like the US that like to sweep their debt under the rug and pretend it doesn't exist.  And no one should ever vote for the Liberal Democrats again, they're a bunch of hypocrites.     "

  That's the thing though - I agree cuts need to be made, it's just where the cuts are at the moment - tory policy has always been to keep the upper middle and upper class happy and screw the working class and they are doing it right here. The bottom 10% odds of the population here are going to be worse off and I'll tell ya, there won't be tax breaks in the future when we get back on track.  Cutting education wasn't unavoidable, there are many other sectors that could have taken the strain - as it stands right now, only the privileged few will be able to attend the more exclusive uni's - what about trident? we don't need a nuclear weapons program, hell and we certainly don't need the replacement for it either. The 8billion we've given to Ireland - where the fuck did that come from? our international aid budget should be reduced too.  It's just typical tory policies again - fuck over the poor and keep the upper class happy - now the only difference is that the lower/mid middle class are getting shafted too.  "

Some of these people are genuinely upset over the cuts.  Those people are good people who are protesting in an orderly manner, and who I support.
 
But some people are just using this as an excuse to wreck and smash things.  
 
If they're so brave, why do they have masks over their faces and run away like cowards whenever the police actually move in? They aren't standing up to anything or anyone - they're just screaming at the void that is their lives. These anarchists and vandals have nothing in their bleak, silly little existence, so they take it out on everyone else.  
 
Guess what? Cameron was voted in, along with Clegg. No, I don't like the Conservatives. My father was less than fond of the Thatcher years. No, I don't approve of these horrendous cuts to education, as education is the keystone of a better future.  
 
But I don't approve of moronic teenagers who think that it's "kewl" to set fire to things. They're thugs, nothing more, who revel in violence and destruction. 

Gandhi stood up to the British through peaceful action. He was arrested many times, but he still always maintained his peaceful position. He had moral right on his side, and he knew it. He also knew that if you behave like the opposition to get what you want, you don't deserve to win.  
 
And a lot of student protesters ARE peaceful. A lot of them don't wreck things. A lot of them are simply nice students who want to have their voices heard, and that is their democratic right. But the ones in those pictures - they're thugs. They're morons who just enjoy smashing things up, because there's nothing else for them to do. They're like a gang of teenagers who beat up old people for kicks. And they're hit-and-run, hide-their-face tactics means that : 
 
1) They're cowards. Gandhi didn't hide his face. He was brave, and he KNEW he was right. These thugs aren't brave. For all their posturing and bravado, they'll run like little rabbits when the police move in.
2) They know they don't have a leg to stand on morally. They know their actions are against the law, and that their actions are immoral. So you say Cameron is immoral for cutting education, so what? Do two wrongs make a right? Well do they? If you say yes, you're not a very deep person.
 
Smashing things and setting fire to things doesn't help anyone. It doesn't change ANYTHING. It's a futile act, and anyone with half a brain knows that. Cameron and Clegg are not the supreme evil overlords - they were voted in. Like it or not, they were. The British people elected them, and no, I don't want to hear any more whining over the "first-past-the-post" style elections - when Labor benefited from it, the Left was silent. Now when the Conservatives benefit from it, suddenly it's the worst thing in the world. 
 
You don't like Cameron and Clegg's policies, as I don't? Vote against them in the next election. That's what CIVILIZED people do. Then again, Anarchists want to destroy civilization, so you can't expect them to be civilized. 

" Some of these people are genuinely upset over the cuts.  Those people are good people who are protesting in an orderly manner, and who I support. But some people are just using this as an excuse to wreck and smash things.   If they're so brave, why do they have masks over their faces and run away like cowards whenever the police actually move in? They aren't standing up to anything or anyone - they're just screaming at the void that is their lives. These anarchists and vandals have nothing in their bleak, silly little existence, so they take it out on everyone else.   Guess what? Cameron was voted in, along with Clegg. No, I don't like the Conservatives. My father was less than fond of the Thatcher years. No, I don't approve of these horrendous cuts to education, as education is the keystone of a better future.   But I don't approve of moronic teenagers who think that it's "kewl" to set fire to things. They're thugs, nothing more, who revel in violence and destruction.  "

" @hunkaburningluv said:

" @CRAzYKiLL3R93 said:

" Let me defend the government for a second  first off we're in a period of austerity, the cuts are necessary and are going to hurt. We can't turn in to Ireland or Greece. Second the poorest families will pay less in the future than they do now, the burden will be felt on middle and upper classes.  Yes cutting education is horrible, but its unavoidable. Its better that our government wants to get our financial house in order, unlike other countries like the US that like to sweep their debt under the rug and pretend it doesn't exist.  And no one should ever vote for the Liberal Democrats again, they're a bunch of hypocrites.     "

  That's the thing though - I agree cuts need to be made, it's just where the cuts are at the moment - tory policy has always been to keep the upper middle and upper class happy and screw the working class and they are doing it right here. The bottom 10% odds of the population here are going to be worse off and I'll tell ya, there won't be tax breaks in the future when we get back on track.  Cutting education wasn't unavoidable, there are many other sectors that could have taken the strain - as it stands right now, only the privileged few will be able to attend the more exclusive uni's - what about trident? we don't need a nuclear weapons program, hell and we certainly don't need the replacement for it either. The 8billion we've given to Ireland - where the fuck did that come from? our international aid budget should be reduced too.  It's just typical tory policies again - fuck over the poor and keep the upper class happy - now the only difference is that the lower/mid middle class are getting shafted too.  "

Lots of other departments are feeling the strains of cuts, not just universitys  Trident and our nuclear weapons programme are important not only for our national security but it gives us a little more weight in the world. The money to Ireland was important too, if the Irish economy collapsed we're going down with them. We're dependent on each other for trade and many British business operate in Ireland and vis-versa for Irish ones. International aid is part of our responsibly as a developed nation.   Picture it this way, look at the UK as a wealthy millionaire and African countries as the working classes. The UK should pay its fair share for those nations that aren't as privileged as ours. The Tories are doing this to get the debt down, less government borrowing lowers interest rates, making EVERYONE better off.    "

What an outrage, obviously the taxpayer has a sacred obligation to pay for your 3 years of pretentious film studies crap and evenings at the union bar. Obviously all those protesters are the doctors and nuclear physicists of tomorrow...  
 
The protesting students are so moronic it's incredible. I was watching bbc news and even THEY (this is the institution which upon the 1997 labour election victory had  "the corridors of Broadcasting House strewn with empty champagne bottles") were completely destroying some Cambridge student's logic. "This will affect the poor and stop them from entering higher education the tories want to kill all the poor blah blah blah" "but surely since you are guaranteed a loan and pay back a single digit percentage of your earnings over 21k this won't affect them in the slightest?" "I can't comment on that I'm here to speak up about the injustices of this government blah blah blah...". It really was hilarious to watch her squirm.

If you want to know what's REALLY wrong with the system, how about how the English pay for Scotland to have tuition fees of £0 while they charge us full rates, whilst EU students also get it absolutely free. And how about the EU students that come over here, are guaranteed a loan, but go straight back to their Country of origin without paying a single penny? The government doesn't do anything about that, but it's ok if you ask those same students who are protesting because it's in the name of multiculturalism and the liberal happyland dream. 
 
And besides, most of those rioters are Socialist Worker who don't really know any better. Bless them. 
 

As soon as the protests turn violent, they loose any weight that they could have carried. I completely agree with protesting, I took part in the first one in london, but the violence is just unnecessary and childish.

" What an outrage, obviously the taxpayer has a sacred obligation to pay for your 3 years of pretentious film studies crap and evenings at the union bar. Obviously all those protesters are the doctors and nuclear physicists of tomorrow...  
 
The protesting students are so moronic it's incredible. I was watching bbc news and even THEY (this is the institution which upon the 1997 labour election victory had  "the corridors of Broadcasting House strewn with empty champagne bottles") were completely destroying some Cambridge student's logic. "This will affect the poor and stop them from entering higher education the tories want to kill all the poor blah blah blah" "but surely since you are guaranteed a loan and pay back a single digit percentage of your earnings over 21k this won't affect them in the slightest?" "I can't comment on that I'm here to speak up about the injustices of this government blah blah blah...". It really was hilarious to watch her squirm.

If you want to know what's REALLY wrong with the system, how about how the English pay for Scotland to have tuition fees of £0 while they charge us full rates, whilst EU students also get it absolutely free. And how about the EU students that come over here, are guaranteed a loan, but go straight back to their Country of origin without paying a single penny? The government doesn't do anything about that, but it's ok if you ask those same students who are protesting because it's in the name of multiculturalism and the liberal happyland dream. 
 
And besides, most of those rioters are Socialist Worker who don't really know any better. Bless them. 
 
"

Disgusting how we treat students in this country. They have every right to protest this and i won't blame them for getting violent either. seems to be the only way to make a point any more.

i to am from the uk and took past in the 2nd protest , and i fell extremly betrayed by nick cleg u turn. on the tuition fees

" @crunchUK said:

" What an outrage, obviously the taxpayer has a sacred obligation to pay for your 3 years of pretentious film studies crap and evenings at the union bar. Obviously all those protesters are the doctors and nuclear physicists of tomorrow...  
 
The protesting students are so moronic it's incredible. I was watching bbc news and even THEY (this is the institution which upon the 1997 labour election victory had  "the corridors of Broadcasting House strewn with empty champagne bottles") were completely destroying some Cambridge student's logic. "This will affect the poor and stop them from entering higher education the tories want to kill all the poor blah blah blah" "but surely since you are guaranteed a loan and pay back a single digit percentage of your earnings over 21k this won't affect them in the slightest?" "I can't comment on that I'm here to speak up about the injustices of this government blah blah blah...". It really was hilarious to watch her squirm.

If you want to know what's REALLY wrong with the system, how about how the English pay for Scotland to have tuition fees of £0 while they charge us full rates, whilst EU students also get it absolutely free. And how about the EU students that come over here, are guaranteed a loan, but go straight back to their Country of origin without paying a single penny? The government doesn't do anything about that, but it's ok if you ask those same students who are protesting because it's in the name of multiculturalism and the liberal happyland dream. 
 
And besides, most of those rioters are Socialist Worker who don't really know any better. Bless them. 
 
"

  not totally true, we get a budget from westminster and the Scottish Gov get's to do with it as they please. All our taxes go to Westiminster along with any taxation from the natrual gas/oil companies drilling in the North Sea (you know OUR national waters) "

I was there woooo!

I haven't had an opportunity to join in the protests because i had hand ins the next day for both protests... lol

" i to am from the uk and took past in the 2nd protest , and i fell extremly betrayed by nick cleg u turn. on the tuition fees "

i dont remember all this when labour originally introduced tuition fees 
Its about time the NUS admitted its affiliation with labour, it cannot support students' best interests whilst it is party political

Is it me.... or do college students just find any reason to destroy things? I mean I get this is an important issue, but to destroy things and smash windows? I just lost all sympathy for your cause, I'm actually beginning to like the UK Governments decision, if that is what those institutions allow you guys to think; that commiting vandalism and destroying cars and fighting the police is ok. Seriously every other day I get an email from my embassy friend telling me about another "student protest" that just so happened to turn into violence.... I believe education is wonderful so I sure as hell don't agree with cutting funds, but right now I hold no sympathy for UK's youth or my generation for that matter if they are gonna act like this.

"  I mean I get this is an important issue, but to destroy things and smash windows?     I just lost all sympathy for your cause, I'm actually beginning to like the UK Governments decision"

" @baconbits33 said:

"  I mean I get this is an important issue, but to destroy things and smash windows?     I just lost all sympathy for your cause, I'm actually beginning to like the UK Governments decision"

Just out of curiosity, there have been incidents where women who were raped got revenger on the raper, via violence.  Does that mean you suddenly have absolutely no sympathy to any woman who was raped, and in fact think they deserved it? Don't get this logic at all.  And if you're a rational person and acknowledge that you don't think that way.. why do you apply different logic here? "

" @Pinworm45 said:

" @baconbits33 said:

"  I mean I get this is an important issue, but to destroy things and smash windows?     I just lost all sympathy for your cause, I'm actually beginning to like the UK Governments decision"

Just out of curiosity, there have been incidents where women who were raped got revenger on the raper, via violence.  Does that mean you suddenly have absolutely no sympathy to any woman who was raped, and in fact think they deserved it? Don't get this logic at all.  And if you're a rational person and acknowledge that you don't think that way.. why do you apply different logic here? "

Ummm your comparing peas and apples..... You do realize that right?  One creates physical and horrific mental harm on someone, the other is just you having to work a couple more hours or can be changed the next time the UK has an upswing in their economy.... So actually your logic makes no sense at all, you are comparing two completely and utterly different things. The police didn't rape anyone, they didn't murder anyone over this education thing..... I'm perfectly fine with protesting but a little info for you kiddies; Protesting doesn't include violence. "

" @baconbits33 said:

" @Pinworm45 said:

" @baconbits33 said:

"  I mean I get this is an important issue, but to destroy things and smash windows?     I just lost all sympathy for your cause, I'm actually beginning to like the UK Governments decision"

Just out of curiosity, there have been incidents where women who were raped got revenger on the raper, via violence.  Does that mean you suddenly have absolutely no sympathy to any woman who was raped, and in fact think they deserved it? Don't get this logic at all.  And if you're a rational person and acknowledge that you don't think that way.. why do you apply different logic here? "

Ummm your comparing peas and apples..... You do realize that right?  One creates physical and horrific mental harm on someone, the other is just you having to work a couple more hours or can be changed the next time the UK has an upswing in their economy.... So actually your logic makes no sense at all, you are comparing two completely and utterly different things. The police didn't rape anyone, they didn't murder anyone over this education thing..... I'm perfectly fine with protesting but a little info for you kiddies; Protesting doesn't include violence. "

Of course rape and education changes aren't similiar at all, my analogy was meant to highlight you saying "well a few people were violent, therefor no one has any legitimate point and every single student deserves this and you're glad their government did it" "

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Yeah I know your gonna be pissed, relax no hatred coming from me on this one. "