This is my theory about how the game will play out.
MASSIVE MASSIVE Mass Effect 1 and 2 Spoilers below. LIKE ALL OF IT SO DON"T BE DUMB AND READ IT.
The game sets up with, "the reapers are coming, no way to stop them from getting here" and most of the game will be to recruit all of the races/factions/mercenary groups to fight off the reaper invasion.
1. Urdnot Wrex (If alive) will unite the krogans under one banner to fight the reapers.
2. The genophage will be cured so that more krogan can fight the reapers.
3. Tali Zorah (If not exiled) will recruit the flotilla to take back homeworld/give up homeworld to fight the reapers
4. Zaeed will take back control of the blue suns and will lead them when fighting the reapers.
5. Legion (if alive) will convince the hiveminded geth forces to fight the reapers
6. Jacob and Miranda will lead cerberus in fighting the reapers.
7. Mordin will reunite with Salarian Special tasks group to fight the reapers.
8. Ashley Williams will forgive Shepard and together will unite the Aliiance to fight the reapers
9. Depending on how you've treated the batarians, vorcha, hanar, volus and other species will help fight the reapers.
10. The collector facility will be used for or against fighting the reapers.
EDIT: 11. If you didn't save the rachni you're dumb. They will help fight the reapers by ripping faces off.
Thoughts?
Mass Effect 3
Game » consists of 19 releases. Released Mar 06, 2012
When Earth begins to fall in an ancient cycle of destruction, Commander Shepard must unite the forces of the galaxy to stop the Reapers in the final chapter of the original Mass Effect trilogy.
Mass Effect 3 is going to revolve around "Recruit the Factions"
I'm hoping it'll be more nuanced than that. I'd rather it wasn't just "oh you were nice to these people so all of ____ race will help." If anything, I hope this game introduces some damn tough decisions for Shepard to make and something more interesting than recruiting factions.
" I'm hoping it'll be more nuanced than that. I'd rather it wasn't just "oh you were nice to these people so all of ____ race will help." If anything, I hope this game introduces some damn tough decisions for Shepard to make and something more interesting than recruiting factions. "Obviously, you didn't play the previous two games. Both of them revolved around "recruit ___________," and that worked damn well before. If it ain't broke, don't fix it, I guess.
Mass Effect hardly involved recruiting anyone - you were given your entire team before you left the Citadel (minus Liara) and spent a lot of time doing regular missions. Mass Effect 2, on the other hand, revolved entirely around amassing a team and going on a suicide mission. It'd be kind of redundant for the third game to make you more or less do the same thing again." @benjaebe said:
" I'm hoping it'll be more nuanced than that. I'd rather it wasn't just "oh you were nice to these people so all of ____ race will help." If anything, I hope this game introduces some damn tough decisions for Shepard to make and something more interesting than recruiting factions. "Obviously, you didn't play the previous two games. Both of them revolved around "recruit ___________," and that worked damn well before. If it ain't broke, don't fix it, I guess. "
" You forgot the Rachni. "It'd be cool if they would figure prominently but they probably won't. It'll probably come down to a colony getting saved that otherwise wouldn't if you spared the rachni.
You forgot the Elcor.
It had damn well better be about Recruit the Factions - if it's not then Mass Effect as a series will have failed.
This is the concluding chapter, it should be mainly about wrapping up all the threads of the plot so far and should have very little (more like nothing) to do with recruiting a new squad or gaining the loyalty of the new faction.
This one seems pretty obvious, although you do have to wonder how Bioware will fuck around with the canon given what they did between ME1 and ME2. It could very well hinge on how you interacted with the Krogan in ME2 for the sake their new players.1. Urdnot Wrex (If alive) will unite the krogans under one banner to fight the reapers.
To date we have not been given the option to 'cure' the Genophage. Grunt has natural immunities to it, but after the destruction of Saren's lab in ME not much has been said about it. Doubtful this will happen, perhaps we'll be given a choice as to what will happen with the future of the Genophage.2. The genophage will be cured so that more krogan can fight the reapers.
Seems likely enough, although the Quarians are very insular. I'd imagine it'll go something like this3. Tali Zorah (If not exiled) will recruit the flotilla to take back homeworld/give up homeworld to fight the reapers
Tali: Shepard needs our help.
Flotilla Council: Can't do it, we have to reclaim our planet.
Tali: If the Reapers win there won't be a planet left to save!
*You've recruited the Quarians*
I really like the idea, but even if you finish Zaeed's loyalty mission his way Vito still escapes, and is therefore still in control of the Blue Suns. Then again we might see another 3 year jump from ME2 -> ME3 with a lot of things taking place 'off screen'.4. Zaeed will take back control of the blue suns and will lead them when fighting the reapers.
This would almost certainly have to be based upon how Shepard handled the Heretics rather than Legion's status, Legion himself would not be able to overpower the Geth Hivemind on 'his own' - but overall I think that's right.5. Legion (if alive) will convince the hiveminded geth forces to fight the reapers
It seemed to me at the end of ME2 both Miranda and Jacob have cut their ties with Cerberus and are now loyal to Shepard. It seems unlikely that Cerberus would just them go, but at the same time with the Reapers on the way they might just let Shepard follow her own path without much interference.6. Jacob and Miranda will lead cerberus in fighting the reapers.
Possible, although I find it a little doubtful. SSTG are small 6-8man squads that focus on covert operations. Highly unlikely they would be able to sneak aboard a Reaper undetected, and even though they proved themselves quiet capable in an open firefight on VIrmire, I don't think they'll play a large role in the conflict.7. Mordin will reunite with Salarian Special tasks group to fight the reapers.
I think between Admiral Hackett's (go check the Databanks in Shadow Broker if you don't know what I'm talking about) and Kaiden's (Ashely) support it's highly likely the alliance will fight beside you.8. Ashley Williams will forgive Shepard and together will unite the Aliiance to fight the reapers
Interactions with all these groups are so minimal (minus the Vorcha on Omega) I don't really see any of it coming back to help or hurt you. The only real Hannar interaction we get is the Street Prophet in ME1(not to mention that through conversations with Thane we learn that the Hannar are basically useless in a fight that's outside of water), as for the Volus and Elcore we mixed with them briefly in the embassies of ME1, but again almost nothing in ME2.
9. Depending on how you've treated the batarians, vorcha, hanar, volus and other species will help fight the reapers.
Seems to me the choice will the Collector Ship really has to do with Cerberus's willingness to help you out or not. If you destroy it they won't directly help you in ME3 - they will working to fight the Reapers but on their own terms with their own plan. If you hand it over you're still working for them.10. The collector facility will be used for or against fighting the reapers.
Ideally you won't be able to unify the whole galaxy, I would like to see some 'either or' situations, conflicts that even Shepard can't smooth over. If you side with Cerberus the Alliance and Council will be unwilling to help as you've allied yourself with a Terrorist group. If you bring the Geth to the fight the Quarians will turn tail - although with that particular example I'd love to see them make peace. The Rachni certainly have to come back, and given that everyone wants them to stay extinct it'll be interesting to see how that plays out on a larger scale.
I just really hope that Bioware doesn't fuck it all up, the implementation of your choices from ME1 -> ME2 was handled poorly at best, Wrex and Kaiden/Ashely the only thing you see any direct consequence of and to be perfectly honest, we saw the consequences of those choices in ME1. Of course no matter what it's going to be a wildly entertaining and superb game.
Well, yeah, "Recruit the Factions" seems like the obvious structure for the next game doesn't it? I hope they're a bit more subtle about it than just "Collect the 4 x!" which has been the structure for Dragon Age (allies), KOTOR (star maps), Jade Empire (amulet pieces), NWN (plague cure ingredients), Mass Effect (pieces of investigation)...
It could very easily turn out to be Dragon Age in space, and that would be a lazy and weak way to end the trilogy imo.
" @FluxWaveZ said:They'll show up I hope, but my codex knowledge is weak, how organized are the Rachni? Are they worth calling a faction or are they just animals?" You forgot the Rachni. "It'd be cool if they would figure prominently but they probably won't. It'll probably come down to a colony getting saved that otherwise wouldn't if you spared the rachni. "
I agree with most of these. Tali, Legion, and Wrex/Grunt will probably be the most important in terms of the recruiting factions storyline.
While I would like Zaeed coming back in such a way, I'm doubting it. Same for Mordin. Can't see Jacob or Miranda being too involved, either. Ashley/Kaiden? Maybe.
I think, apart from that, Samara could show up as someone that will make recruiting the Asari easier or some such. The word of a Justicar and all that. Also, I think the new party members or important characters will be characters involved with recruiting/uniting a race. So we'll probably see a new batarian, salarian, and turian. We'll also probably (unfortunately) see replacements for important characters that died.
more recruiting? eh =/
wow i just noticed something.. i sucked at Mass Effect!
1. i killed Wrex
2. Tali's exiled
3. Mordin's dead
4. Garrus's dead
5. Legion is dead
whats wrong with me? ;(
" @BitterAlmond said:You might have missed the part where you actively recruit Garrus and Wrex, it's possible to leave the Citadel without them, skip finding Liara and wind up with just Kaiden/Ashely/Tali.Mass Effect hardly involved recruiting anyone - you were given your entire team before you left the Citadel (minus Liara) and spent a lot of time doing regular missions. Mass Effect 2, on the other hand, revolved entirely around amassing a team and going on a suicide mission. It'd be kind of redundant for the third game to make you more or less do the same thing again. "" @benjaebe said:
" I'm hoping it'll be more nuanced than that. I'd rather it wasn't just "oh you were nice to these people so all of ____ race will help." If anything, I hope this game introduces some damn tough decisions for Shepard to make and something more interesting than recruiting factions. "Obviously, you didn't play the previous two games. Both of them revolved around "recruit ___________," and that worked damn well before. If it ain't broke, don't fix it, I guess. "
@InfamousBIG said:
While that is true, and it's also true that the Reapers have been on the move since the end of ME1. It takes a long time to travel through space and when the Citadel was destroyed they lost their short cut. It's often said that the Reapers exist in 'Dark Space' - beyond anything the Allied Races have explored even with the use of Mass Relays which allow you to travel insane distances in short periods of time. All this just means that the Reapers are way way way way way out there, even if they've been traveling for three years." @SteamPunkJin: Doubt that a huge jump like that will happen, due to one of the (or the?) last shots of Mass Effect 2 being of those shit-ton of reapers coming from Outer Space. Seems like a pretty urgent thing. "
" @ninjakiller said:Unknown. The giant bugs you spared from ME1 that you learn nothing more about really other than a message from them in ME2 promising their help when the darkness comes." @FluxWaveZ said:They'll show up I hope, but my codex knowledge is weak, how organized are the Rachni? Are they worth calling a faction or are they just animals? "" You forgot the Rachni. "It'd be cool if they would figure prominently but they probably won't. It'll probably come down to a colony getting saved that otherwise wouldn't if you spared the rachni. "
@SteamPunkJin said:
" @benjaebe said:" @BitterAlmond said:You might have missed the part where you actively recruit Garrus and Wrex, it's possible to leave the Citadel without them, skip finding Liara and wind up with just Kaiden/Ashely/Tali."Mass Effect hardly involved recruiting anyone - you were given your entire team before you left the Citadel (minus Liara) and spent a lot of time doing regular missions. Mass Effect 2, on the other hand, revolved entirely around amassing a team and going on a suicide mission. It'd be kind of redundant for the third game to make you more or less do the same thing again. "" @benjaebe said:
" I'm hoping it'll be more nuanced than that. I'd rather it wasn't just "oh you were nice to these people so all of ____ race will help." If anything, I hope this game introduces some damn tough decisions for Shepard to make and something more interesting than recruiting factions. "Obviously, you didn't play the previous two games. Both of them revolved around "recruit ___________," and that worked damn well before. If it ain't broke, don't fix it, I guess. "
This isn't right. Yes, you can turn down Wrex or Garrus, but only one of them. You need one of them to know to go after Fist. You can turn the other down later.
You need Liara to know to go to Ilos. Without doing the "Embrace Eternity" thing and using her archeology experience, you don't know where the Conduit is.
That seems like the easiest route considering how Bioware designs games, and I don't doubt it will be the one taken. Although, it will be kind of lame if that's going to be the only intricacy to the plot.
" Their is only one proper mission in the game where you actively seek out a squad mate in ME1 and thats Liara the rest is story progression "Eh...I think it recruiting Wrex/Garrus/both before Fist was really the most active recruitment related thing. Tali and Liara kind of just fall in.
"I demand that Mass Effect 3 end the same way as the new fallout games. With a bunch of crappy still images, some voice over, and no closure. It would be so bad that I would laugh endlessly and await the millions of enraged forum posts with some sort of sick catharsis. "
Or they should do a repeat on ME2's ending; have Shepard defeat some random faction and not make any progress in defeating the coming Reaper fleet whatsoever.
" @Mikemcn said:I remember reading in the shadow broker place I think that the Rachni were controlled by the wishes of the Queen telepathicly, the one you saved in mass effect 1. So it seems highly likely they'll help." @ninjakiller said:Unknown. The giant bugs you spared from ME1 that you learn nothing more about really other than a message from them in ME2 promising their help when the darkness comes. "" @FluxWaveZ said:They'll show up I hope, but my codex knowledge is weak, how organized are the Rachni? Are they worth calling a faction or are they just animals? "" You forgot the Rachni. "It'd be cool if they would figure prominently but they probably won't. It'll probably come down to a colony getting saved that otherwise wouldn't if you spared the rachni. "
"@RVonE: Yeah, they just have a new race to fight...and they they just don't mention the reapers or anything in the previous Mass Effect games ever! EDIT: The new race should be called "The Receivers" or "the Shippers" "
Haha! The Transporters!
Oh and Shepard will die again at the start of ME3 so they can justify giving you the option to remake your Shepard and to force you to work with an organization you didn't choose to work with (maybe Terra Firma this time).
" @benjaebe said:First game was more like "hey I stumbled upon this guy that wants to chill on my ship and peel thermal clips back on bitches"" I'm hoping it'll be more nuanced than that. I'd rather it wasn't just "oh you were nice to these people so all of ____ race will help." If anything, I hope this game introduces some damn tough decisions for Shepard to make and something more interesting than recruiting factions. "Obviously, you didn't play the previous two games. Both of them revolved around "recruit ___________," and that worked damn well before. If it ain't broke, don't fix it, I guess. "
Second game was more like "A-Team"
I'm going to be pissed playing mass effect 3 then finding every choice I made was a shitty one. It seems like they wanted you to be more of a renegade in the 2nd game instead of a pussy paragon. But either way shepard is fucking going to die!!!
But either way shepard is fucking going to die!!! "
That's what you think, but if you play your cards right you'll see the camera cut to a shot of a derelict war ship slowly bringing into view a man in N7 armor.
A solemn electrical display flickers in the cold darkness.
A female voice whispers "I'll miss you...".
An apparatus closes slowly around the armored man.
He replies softly "Wake me... when you need me."
The music swells while the camera slowly zooms out and fades to black.
Cut to a shot of the derelict ship slowly drifting all alone in the night.
The dark side of an ominous looking planet comes into view.
Roll credits.
Its generally assumed (at least by me) that everyone you mentioned/everyone in the whole universe that arent evil-geth are going to team up to fight the reapers. I dont see why fuck any of the races is going to not fight them, seeing as how they're going to wipe every living thing out in the galaxy...again
Looking at the massive amount of reapers that the fleet has, recruiting all the factions is still not enough and they don't have enough time to start building a powerful new fleet even using the best technology they had developed since the battle of the Citadel.
My theory is that the Reapers have been doing the genocide cycle for more than one galaxy, a LOT of galaxies and maybe there are other cases where there is someone like Shepard trying to prevent them from coming back or that at least have some clues about this old machines existence.
My idea is that there is a Reaper HQ somewhere hidden in darkspace where they have special relays that they use to jump to places like the Milk Way Citadel. Shepard would use the Citadel relay functionality to go to this HQ that is now empty because the fleet is travelling the old fashion way without using any relay jump. There he will send a message to every galaxy, with his knowledge that includes the prothean cipher hoping that some alien fleets will come to end the Reaper menace once and for all.
"Looking at the massive amount of reapers that the fleet has, recruiting all the factions is still not enough and they don't have enough time to start building a powerful new fleet even using the best technology they had developed since the battle of the Citadel. My theory is that the Reapers have been doing the genocide cycle for more than one galaxy, a LOT of galaxies and maybe there are other cases where there is someone like Shepard trying to prevent them from coming back or that at least have some clues about this old machines existence.My idea is that there is a Reaper HQ somewhere hidden in darkspace where they have special relays that they use to jump to places like the Milk Way Citadel. Shepard would use the Citadel relay functionality to go to this HQ that is now empty because the fleet is travelling the old fashion way without using any relay jump. There he will send a message to every galaxy, with his knowledge that includes the prothean cipher hoping that some alien fleets will come to end the Reaper menace once and for all. "
The size of the Reaper fleet is unknown.
I really hope they offer some kind of dlc pack that lets you play the game with pre-requisite settings from the previous games so I don't have to blow through 30 hours of ME1, and ME2 to load that character into ME3 to see alternate endings and scenarios based upon past experiences. Fuck that will take forever. So glad people you tubed the alternate actions and paragon stuff I just watched those vids instead of playing again lol.
" I really hope they offer some kind of dlc pack that lets you play the game with pre-requisite settings from the previous games so I don't have to blow through 30 hours of ME1, and ME2 to load that character into ME3 to see alternate endings and scenarios based upon past experiences. Fuck that will take forever. So glad people you tubed the alternate actions and paragon stuff I just watched those vids instead of playing again lol. "if you have the PC version, you can just go on this website they had and download save files.
" @137 said:oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh legit!" I really hope they offer some kind of dlc pack that lets you play the game with pre-requisite settings from the previous games so I don't have to blow through 30 hours of ME1, and ME2 to load that character into ME3 to see alternate endings and scenarios based upon past experiences. Fuck that will take forever. So glad people you tubed the alternate actions and paragon stuff I just watched those vids instead of playing again lol. "if you have the PC version, you can just go on this website they had and download save files. "
" more recruiting? eh =/ wow i just noticed something.. i sucked at Mass Effect! 1. i killed Wrex 2. Tali's exiled 3. Mordin's dead 4. Garrus's dead 5. Legion is dead whats wrong with me? ;( "Nothing is wrong with you man. That's the beauty of Mass Effect. If you're not happy with your outcome then just replay the game.
Not 'Recruit the Factions', but 'Recruit the Shepards'.
Every single version of Shepard, Male or Female, Paragon or Renegade, is taken from multiple dimensions and fight the Reapers together as one giant army of badasses, while at the same time the Renegade Shepards argue over who is 'Shepard Prime' and the Paragon Shepards struggle to keep the Renegades from going too far.
Just kidding, that's a stupid idea. Seriously, though, it is pretty obvious that you're going to start convincing factions to fight alongside you as well as preventing any faction from messing up the anti-Reaper coalition for some stupid reason (the Rachni come to mind; it's highly likely the Krogan will be extremely unhappy to fight on the same side as they are at first).
For some reason I just don't think allot of the smaller things will have physical effects, more a thing shown in the Mailbox like in the second game. I hope it's not that way though.
But as for the listed things go for me, Im gonna spoiler it all so...this is what I think will happen.
2) Tali's mission if you talk enough sense into them you may be able to get orbital bombardment as that's the most quarians can offer as an offensive force. Maybe have Kal Reegar go Rambo with the squad or something, that would be cool.
3) Council dying or being saved will finally play a part physically - This is where I believe that that decision will influence how fast or how much or even if any help comes at all from the council. Now you have a strong leader if you choose Udina, politically, but choosing Anderson you have a powerful and experienced strategic thinking man.
4) Probably mentioned before but IMO Mordin's mission, save the data and have the choice of hypocritically reactivating the Krogan breeding process or cloning in order to kick back the attacks, in the story it'll be all "Do you really want to have this happen, the hassle afterwards could mean the end of us all etc etc krogan problems".
5) I have a feeling that a certain scientist salarian who is near death from old age will somehow cheat it.
6) Liara's probably going to become recon from a distance because she can now see everything and everyone, though some things the shadow broker does "know" is actually his own speculation, I think it'd be better than not knowing or having any speculation at all on a situation.
7) This one may be a long shot, but I believe that with the recruitment system we may see characters from previous 2 games being recruitable if they survived and maybe choosing them over the current characters in the game. Either that or you go Monster Rancher with 2 dozen misfits who seem to know how to kill people in different ways.
here is the question. those each race didn't make any effort to defeat reapers before under name of the whole united alliance? why Shepard? I know that the game is all about him or humanity. even though they will do it, it will be still hard to beat reapers. their number is too many. they are so powerful. they are literally big machines. organics have limitation, and disadvantage. reapers are literally weapons of mass destruction. of course, there is always something we can kill them. but that is just too ambiguous.
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