Hell Hath No Fury Like a Nintendo Fan Scorned

#151 Posted by mrangryface (774 posts) -

Won't work with my extended battery so I'm proll back to a few hours of gaming lol nintendo

#152 Posted by MrKlorox (11206 posts) -

@csoup said:

Vita, here I come.

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#153 Posted by LegendaryChopChop (1171 posts) -

@Blubba said:

I've lost faith in Nintendo. Everything about the 3DS has been handled poorly. The Wii was terrible for enthusiasts. Hell, man I LOVED my GameCube, but this shit is bad.

I wouldn't say they lost their way – they just gave up for our audience and decided to feed the very casual and non-gamers variety.

#154 Posted by prestonhedges (1965 posts) -
Weird. I was pretty sure there was lots of talk before the 3DS launched that it would be overpriced and only bought by crazy people who want it because it's new technology, and that games would get released for it way later. I'm pretty sure Giant Bomb and Michael Pachter made those exact points during the Duke Nukem TNT and when the system was being announced. It's why I still haven't bought one.
 
The second complaint is pure speculation. For right now, this thing is only announced, only as an add-on for Monster Hunter, and only for Japan. It's quite possible this thing will never even come out. If Nintendo announces a hardware revision, that would be pretty fucked up, but they haven't yet. How long did it take before they revised the Wii? Three years?
#155 Edited by RE_Player1 (7549 posts) -

@MrKlorox said:

@csoup said:

Vita, here I come.

I really hope the Vita does well, and the 3DS as well. I want Sony to learn from Nintendo's mistakes and have a kick ass launch for the Vita so that we can finally stop the whole dedicated handhelds are dying debate. They aren't going anywhere Nintendo is just doing an extremely poor job with theirs. I love my iPad but the games on the thing aren't real games...

#156 Posted by Brendan (7685 posts) -

I get that this is a big deal, but this article seems Navarro-ish in the worst way possible. The "pissed-off user blog" style of editorial journalism could really use a large dose of impartiality on this site.

#157 Edited by Cday (164 posts) -

I'm furious about this totally optional thing that I never have to even acknowledge the existence of. Yep, gonna go rip all the Iwata posters off of my walls right now.

#158 Posted by ThePilgrums (423 posts) -

@TiE23 said:

What's weird... I dislike most Japanese games. IMO: Dragon Quest is a pile of crap, Final Fantasy is goofy as hell, Mario is sorta blown out of proportion, I don't get Smash Bros., Kirby is dumb, Zelda hasn't progressed since 1998 ... I love Team Ico, though.

You're making me angry... You wouldn't like me when I'm angry...

But in earnest here, Galaxy, Galaxy 2, and Epic Yarn are great games. It kinda bums me out to see them called overrated or "dumb". Dumb? Not to get overly serious/critical of an "IMO" statement, but that's not exactly the fairest assessment of a franchise I've ever heard. Haha.

(But Team ICO is pretty great, I'll agree there.)

Anyway, the article. I'm not mad at Nintendo, but I can't say I get their marketing strategy for their new hardware. Between the Wii U at E3 and this, I can't help but think "what are they DOING?" They don't divulge enough information to wash away the understandable doubts that come up. We still have zero clue how many controllers the Wii U supports, how its online system will work, and now it's "do I buy a 3DS? Will it get a revision in 8 months?" I don't see what they gain by being this secretive about things that, in my opinion, should be common knowledge.

#159 Posted by squidlauncherOHYEAHH (14 posts) -

Haters get up real early in the morning. And they drink a shit load of Haterade too. 

#160 Posted by Brendan (7685 posts) -

@Whizbang said:

Nintendo is a dying company. Won't be surprised if Wii HD is their last console.

This is probably the same guy that said the PS3 was going to fail back in 2006. Seriously, companies get back up from this shit. After one of the most profitable generations ever in gaming, Nintendo isn't just going to lay down in die after making a few mistakes.

#161 Posted by Hector (3354 posts) -

I was on board the 3DS ship at launch but after two months of no good games I jumped shipped and I'm glad I did and made it to safety before it sank to the depths of the Laurentian Abyss.

#162 Posted by krabboss (290 posts) -

Honestly, I just don't see the problem. It's just an optional accessory for those who want a greater level of control on a limited number of games that desperately need it (like the fucking Wii Motion Plus). 
 
Monster Hunter is an incredible game series and I'm glad Nintendo have taken the steps to get it onto their platform. It's pretty much guaranteed this will make 3DS sales skyrocket in Japan. It's unfortunate the series isn't as popular in other regions, though maybe Nintendo will put a bit more marketing behind the series this time to get people okay with the idea of needing a second stick.

#163 Posted by Sinful (211 posts) -

All I  heard from this "News" is "Blog..blog..blog...blah..blah...blog."

#164 Posted by krabboss (290 posts) -
@YukoAsho

Well, that and the fans will stop buying if there's nothing but the name, something Nintendo fans don't do.

I don't understand. Call of Duty/Guitar Hero/Tony Hawk pretty much are/were the same game over and over. You honestly think those series have more variety within them than Nintendo's? 
 
I honestly don't know why I read the comments on Giant Bomb.
#165 Posted by jasondesante (601 posts) -

I'm shocked by the recent announcements, but I can't say I don't understand it.
 
I think it is fair and completely understandable for Nintendo to do something like this, I just pray they keep the 3d functionality because it is currently underrated, its mawfuckin glassesless 3d, and my first experience of a screen with 3d without glasses was a 3ds. 
 
Street Pass is also underrated.   Nintendo offers new features for people to use (like wii) and no one uses it to its potential except Nintendo (Suda 51 makes one of the best wii games and the controls are a total joke, one of the best games on the system with revolutionary controls ironically has horrible controls).

#166 Edited by matrix_hiei (143 posts) -

Firstly, this things looks stupid. I don't think there's any doubt about that. 
 
However, I don't really see why the reaction has been so passionately negative. All we know right now is that it's an add-on for Monster Hunter, a game that few people in the U.S. will buy anyway. It seems to me like a pretty big jump to assume that a new 3DS with two sticks will be coming in the near future. Unless something like that is announced, the second stick only really affects Monster Hunter fans.

#167 Posted by NickyDubz (272 posts) -

when will the cd add on used to play night trap 3d be realeased?

#168 Posted by arch4non (444 posts) -

No more articles like this, please.
 
If I wanted sensationalized tabloid pieces I'd go to Kotaku.

#169 Posted by MadMagyar92 (66 posts) -

I am so glad I waited and did not get a 3DS... This is getting messier by the month. I'll wait for the 3DS 'lite' version. Seriously though, what's with Nintendo having a REALLY great generation to a REALLY, out the door, shitty one? Consistency people! Enough of this bad to good and back non-sense!

#170 Posted by TooWalrus (13135 posts) -
@lizzard2
@Atramentous: cool ..hey you want to buy my dualshock 3 with no start button and in 6 months i'll sell you a sweet start button to you for a great price ok? im not ripping you off i promise. :P
That's just about EXACTLY what Sony did with rumble.
#171 Posted by bornagain888 (122 posts) -

I think this will just be a speed bump on the road to gaming handheld death. Smartphones, itouch, tablets, and most important of all, 99 cent games have FOREVER changed the marketplace.

#172 Posted by JoWill1986 (30 posts) -

I don't understand why everyone is so mad over this topic. If the second analog stick makes games better and brings in more games and 3rd party support then its a win-win for everybody. If the analog stick sucks Nintendo will drop support of the second analog stick. And no one says that 1st party and 3rd party games will lose it's innovation because of a second analog stick.

#173 Posted by Jensonb (1705 posts) -

If this plays out the way it seems, who is going to buy the WiiU? NOBODY. Nintendo, doing this would be a colossal mistake: if you don't have faith in your products, why should I?

#174 Posted by Laksa (240 posts) -

its an add on for the monster hunter game. maybe the author should post such emotion laced articles on his own blog instead of on gb.

#175 Posted by laserbolts (5311 posts) -

The 3DS seems more like a joke everyday.

#176 Posted by InternetDetective (347 posts) -

I own a 3ds (ambassador!) and I am not mad about this. Especially since my 3ds just sits in a charging base all day gathering dust.

#177 Edited by thejke (90 posts) -

Amazon is offering $115 for 3DS trade ins. I might just send mine in and wait a couple years before I buy anything Nintendo again. I have been a devoted Nintendo fan since the SNES, but I just don't like the direction they are going in right now. I use my PSP that I got on launch day, March 24, 2005, more than my 3ds.

#178 Posted by ChrisInCali (146 posts) -
#179 Posted by Bummey (604 posts) -

@Laksa said:

its an add on for the monster hunter game. maybe the author should post such emotion laced articles on his own blog instead of on gb.

Maybe this poster should go read IGN because he clearly doesn't understand what this site is about.

#180 Posted by moondogg (167 posts) -

I don't see the problem, its a single game peripheral, it seems to me to be exactly the same thing as a guitar controller for rock band or guitar hero. If you don't want to play monster hunter, don't buy it. Maybe if its succesful more games will utilise it, or ninty will redesign the system to incorporate another analog stick, its not like a redesign or four weren't coming anyway. But again if this gets your goat don't buy it.
#181 Posted by Kosayn (452 posts) -

Sony will be like.. 4 sticks, now what! Smoothest shave in town!

#182 Edited by PandaShake (381 posts) -

@JoWill1986: Not everyone wants the stick because they may think it's ugly and huge (defeats the purpose of portability). Because of that, there may be a split in the player base. Some games might require them, some not, screwing people who don't want the monstrosity.

If you read the article, some early adopters may feel shafted again if they incorporated a 2nd analog to a sleek 3ds slim.

#183 Posted by patrick (560 posts) -

@Laksa said:

its an add on for the monster hunter game. maybe the author should post such emotion laced articles on his own blog instead of on gb.

If you're implying that it's only to be used with Monster Hunter, that's not the case. Either way, the fact that Nintendo took it upon themselves to produce this instead of the developers contracting a third party to do it is telling enough. The practicality of it aside, it still highlights the fact that they are basically conceding that the 3DS inputs weren't sufficient to the point that it warranted such an addon.

#184 Posted by HydraHam (1338 posts) -

@ChrisInCali said:

@Styl3s said:

People will bitch about everything.

I like how you tried to pass this off as a non-issue. Cute. Nintendo got greedy and burned a lot of fans by way over-pricing this hardware at $250 then dropping it in 5 months by $80. If this add-on turns out to be something that a lot of games use in the future, or incorporated into a redesign, that's another huge slap in the face to early adopters. So yeah, it's worth "bitching" about. If nobody "bitched" about anything in life corporate greedy would run rampant.

I like how you try to pass it off AS an issue.

1. You knew what you were buying from the get go, no one forced you to buy it on launch at $250, was it overpriced? yes, but it's not nintendos fault you were willing to shell out $250

2. Everyone knew it was going to drop price, i like most smart consumers WAITED and i am still waiting for the price drop, again the whole pricing thing is your own fault.

3. It's an add-on, add-ons are inevitable, you were an early adopter which means you got the rough version of the 3DS, a better version will be out next year just like the lite/DSI

You overpaid so you have a right to bitch, i didn't say you couldn't but i stand by my people will bitch about everything but this is trivial, it's a fucking addon, the system doesn't require it, if you don't like it simply do not buy it, you spend $250 then complain about the price? NO ONE FORCED YOU to spend $250

I didn't spend $250 and i didn't buy it when it dropped, i was smart and i am waiting for the inevitable upgraded version next year, something you should of done and you wouldn't be here bitching on a video game site. All people do bitch bitch bitch.

#185 Posted by prestonhedges (1965 posts) -
@Kosayn said:

Sony will be like.. 4 sticks, now what! Smoothest shave in town!

This is the best post on this article.
#186 Posted by Laksa (240 posts) -
@Bummey
ok, i will go see if they have any angry blog like articles masquerading as news.
#187 Edited by LetsRockBaby (241 posts) -

I'm not too hot and bothered about this cause I'm not too big on Monster Hunter, so I won't need this piece of garbage.
 
Nintendo just better make sure no games I'll want will utilize it, cause I will cry.

#188 Posted by Levio (1783 posts) -

Consumers beware. With today's games/hardware, you get only exactly what you paid for.

#189 Posted by Deathpooky (1373 posts) -

Well now I have even more of a reason to wait for the first redesign.

#190 Posted by Vasta_Narada (437 posts) -
@JoWill1986 said:
I don't understand why everyone is so mad over this topic. If the second analog stick makes games better and brings in more games and 3rd party support then its a win-win for everybody. If the analog stick sucks Nintendo will drop support of the second analog stick. And no one says that 1st party and 3rd party games will lose it's innovation because of a second analog stick.
I agree with you, except for the part where people who already own a 3DS get burned hard if the analog stick takes off. If it does, more and more games will use it, forcing people to end up buying either it, or an eventual redesign of the system.  
 
That said, I'm an early adopter, and though I'm a bit miffed, I will welcome the second analog stick...provided it doesn't look like ass when it comes out.
#191 Posted by Vasta_Narada (437 posts) -

Oh, also, I don't see why the analog stick attachment couldn't curl over the handheld, and be positioned under the face buttons. When you close the DS, it could pivot, raise slightly, and then rest on the top of the system.

#192 Posted by coakroach (2488 posts) -

I want to buy a Vita more than this.

#193 Posted by Deathpooky (1373 posts) -

@Styl3s said:

I like how you try to pass it off AS an issue.

1. You knew what you were buying from the get go, no one forced you to buy it on launch at $250, was it overpriced? yes, but it's not nintendos fault you were willing to shell out $250

2. Everyone knew it was going to drop price, i like most smart consumers WAITED and i am still waiting for the price drop, again the whole pricing thing is your own fault.

3. It's an add-on, add-ons are inevitable, you were an early adopter which means you got the rough version of the 3DS, a better version will be out next year just like the lite/DSI

You overpaid so you have a right to bitch, i didn't say you couldn't but i stand by my people will bitch about everything but this is trivial, it's a fucking addon, the system doesn't require it, if you don't like it simply do not buy it, you spend $250 then complain about the price? NO ONE FORCED YOU to spend $250

I didn't spend $250 and i didn't buy it when it dropped, i was smart and i am waiting for the inevitable upgraded version next year, something you should of done and you wouldn't be here bitching on a video game site. All people do bitch bitch bitch.

I'm not even a 3DS owner and I can see why people are upset.

1/2. A fairly rapid price drop, before even any good software was released, is a pretty big screwjob to early adopters. Moreso than normal. Nintendo as much as acknowledged this, so I don't see why you're disputing it.

3. An add-on that renders something obsolete or incompatible with many games is different than an incremental hardware improvement. It'd be like announcing the Wii Motion Plus less than a year after the Wii came out.

Early adopters expect to pay a premium for hardware that will be improved upon in later generations. They don't expect to see a price drop before they've gotten much value AND an add-on which will potentially make their system obsolete within a year. That's an exceptional level of screwing and Nintendo is likely to get burned by it next time they release a system. Which could in turn doom the system before people like you who wait even got their hands on it.

Early adopters are somewhat suckers, and even they would admit it, but they serve a purpose. Without them a system likely never gets off the ground. Just screaming buyer beware isn't really a good argument and I don't imagine Nintendo PR will be doing that. There are certain norms and risks you buy into when buying first generation hardware, but they usually don't come back to bite you this bad.

#194 Posted by Godzilla_Sushi (1084 posts) -

@JoWill1986 said:

I don't understand why everyone is so mad over this topic. If the second analog stick makes games better and brings in more games and 3rd party support then its a win-win for everybody. If the analog stick sucks Nintendo will drop support of the second analog stick. And no one says that 1st party and 3rd party games will lose it's innovation because of a second analog stick.

I think it has more to do with the now running joke that Nintendo will always inevitably release attachments for everything that nobody cares about and doesn't get supported. The Game Boy Color camera, the Game Boy Advance player for Gamecube. The disk drive for the N64. The cable attachments for Four Swords. The Gamecube modem. The eShop. Wii steering wheel shells. Motion Plus. The N64 expansion pack. Just on and on and on.

Nobody asked for 3D. But having a second stick on the damn thing would have made sense from the beginning. Even I feel like I'm ranting right now! Japan doesn't exactly develop games that set the world on fire, and Nintendo doesn't exactly leave the 1994 comfort zone.

I totally understand why fans are upset. Nobody is forcing them to buy the attachment. But couple it with the games currently available and the recent past.....hard not to see why that pattern of iteration is frustratingly cyclical.

#195 Posted by AgileNate (102 posts) -

Uhh, the 3DS should have had a second anolog to begin with. Because of Nintendo's consistent habit of revisions they now have cautious buyers. No hardware sale = no software sales along with now software collection.  That's why I don't own one. If a remodeled 3DS looks good, I might buy one but as of now, I have no interest, especially after the announcement of Mega Man Legends 3 being canceled. 

#196 Posted by MrAristocrates (194 posts) -
@Styl3s: You're antagonizing someone because of events that they could not foresee. You're also acting elitist when they complain about them, insulting them and basically spitting in their face. He's complaining about the price because there was a freakishly short amount of time before the price drop, not because he thinks he was "forced" to pay $250. Plus, part of the point is that Nintendo shouldn't be allowed to release several different versions of their handhelds, something that they are notorious for doing and that YOU are buying into. 
 
Also, you do realize Nintendo is probably going to make the version that you buy obsolete within the next two years, right?
#197 Posted by freakin9 (1098 posts) -

It's interesting, even though the touchscreen has been used as a second analog stick in a lot of games. The 3ds is actually selling well now since the price drop, but even if there is a revision I'm sure no games will require it, but a lot of games will have the option. This specific thing seems more of a reaction to the Vita than anything else. Monster Hunter is a big get for them, at the end of the day this attachment will make more people happy than pissed off. I think this is more a case of the early adopters feeling twice scorned, or thrice if you count the lack of games.

#198 Posted by Devoid (429 posts) -

And THIS is why I don't buy launch consoles/handhelds.

#199 Posted by Mr48 (103 posts) -

Watching Nintendo continue to rerelease the same old product in ever more inane revisions is a bit like watching that scene in American Psycho with the characters one uppping each other with their practically identical business cards.

#200 Posted by Grambyte (104 posts) -

Nintendo has been trying to shove peripherals down our throats since the beginning, it just never got ground. Now since the Wii has been released they've realized their time of endless release of peripherals and new models has finally come and they'll be damned if they didn't abuse that fact.

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