Saw it earlier I thought it was funny. It is Pachter though.

" People here are overreacting. He's comparing a time when people generally had PCs that could run games that looked a lot better than what the consoles at the time were capable of. Today, I don't think the majority of people with a PC would be able to play a game like Uncharted 2, to the same level that the PS3 could. I think that was his point. "

I like Pachter, I really do, but I think it would be quicker to make threads when he's right about something.

faster how? cum's faster? eats faster? fries chicken faster? faster what.

Well the cell is faster then most processors, but otherwise I dunno.

I feel bad for him.

" i'm not going to waste my time here, but speaking as a computer scientist i can tell that frequency it's not the only factor that determines the speed. You could, for example, have a high frequency processor with cycles that take too long. Or also have a ISA with instructions that take many cycles.  And don't forget about pipeline depth...  anyway, about the ps3 being faster than the pc, i can't say i know much about the ps3 arquitecture but i find it very unlikely to be true. I wouldn't count on it. Seems pretty stupid to me. "

do you guys even get what he's trying to say?? or do you guys all have small penis syndrome ????

" do you guys even get what he's trying to say?? or do you guys all have small penis syndrome ???? "

"  HOW DARE YOU DEFY THE CELL PROCESSOR. HEATHEN! HERETIC! THE CELL PROCESSOR IS UNRIVALED! "

Michael Pachter is sort of an idiot.

"I seem to have stumbled upon some hardcore geek discussion. I shall now turn around and take my leave. Good day, to you all! "

Pachter says something dumb, forums respond by acting dumber.  News at 11.
 
The Cell processor is definitely the best at what it does.  What it does is probably not well fit to games today, but no, your videocard is not 'faster' than a Cell, just like the PS3 is not 'faster' than any PC.  It's this sort of idiotic generalizations that you're bristling against but when you say further dumb stuff it doesn't make you look any better.

" Pachter says something dumb, forums respond by acting dumber.  News at 11.  The Cell processor is definitely the best at what it does.  What it does is probably not well fit to games today, but no, your videocard is not 'faster' than a Cell, just like the PS3 is not 'faster' than any PC.  It's this sort of idiotic generalizations that you're bristling against but when you say further dumb stuff it doesn't make you look any better. "

Bonus Round has bigger problems. Can we get these guys a table so we don't have to stare at mangina for 20min?

Michael Pachter is a likable douche.
 
He always spouts his nonsense with such conviction it makes me kind of like him.

" do you guys even get what he's trying to say?? or do you guys all have small penis syndrome ???? "

" Michael Pachter is a likable douche.  He always spouts his nonsense with such conviction it makes me kind of like him. "

He's talking about the panel, not the entire planet. Notice how he starts off saying 10 years ago "we all upgraded".

" He's talking about the panel, not the entire planet. Notice how he starts off saying 10 years ago "we all upgraded". "

You know i think when patcher said that he meant the worlds entire PC demographic including families and stuff, which in this case he is right. As for you spec buffs and graphic whores you forget to realise not every PC owner wants whack one out at the sight of Crysis, i myself am quite contempt with Warcraft 3 is their problem with that? so yes my PS3 is faster than my PC. Stop over reacting and use sense. 

EDIT: i do realise he did make a big generalisation what he should have said is " Not everybody has a PC faster than a PS3"   

" No ><. He was answering why PC gaming was supposedly dying, not why PC gaming was dying to 3 other people in the room. Clearly by "we" he meant collectively the PC market.  "

" @Geno said:

" No ><. He was answering why PC gaming was supposedly dying, not why PC gaming was dying to 3 other people in the room. Clearly by "we" he meant collectively the PC market.  "

He's using the four panelists as examples of tech enthusiasts who don't own a PC more powerful then a PS3. If he was talking about the entire PC market, then how the hell would he know that we all upgraded 10 years ago? "

" How would he personally know the panelists each upgraded 10 years ago? He was making a general statement to establish that a long time ago PC's were much more powerful than consoles which led into his point that now they aren't (which of course is incorrect). I don't know if English isn't your native language or something but nobody would interpret what he said like that.  
 
Just to cement the point further, here are the hardware stats of the average Steam user. Steam has over 70% of the PC gamer market:    http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey  Average User:   Windows Vista/7 DX10 GPUDual Core processor with about an additional 20% in the quad core area, average clock speed 2.3-2.7 Ghz (equal to or greater than the power of the Cell)Nvidia 8800 series to ATI 4800 series graphics cards (cards that easily trump the PS3's).     Settings: Primary display: 1280x1024 (higher than the native res of most games on the PS3).   4x MSAA  The average PC gamer plays with specs higher than the PS3's, let alone the top 10-20% who play with extreme settings and easily topple anything the consoles have to offer.  "

So he did not know. 
 
He is still a good numbers analyst.

Unless you're talking about very specific floating point performance tasks, the PC's processor is faster than the PS3's in every way. And games don't use such tasks. Also my video card is sure as hell faster and beefier than what's in the PS3. Everything about what he said is wrong.

" @Geno said:

Unless you're talking about very specific floating point performance tasks, the PC's processor is faster than the PS3's in every way. And games don't use such tasks. Also my video card is sure as hell faster and beefier than what's in the PS3. Everything about what he said is wrong.

See now you sound as uninformed as Pachter, and it's not just about floating point.  For games, the Cell is probably better than almost all PC CPUs, if not all, however you could argue that for some tasks a GPU is far more efficient.  The truth lies in the middle.  And games DO use such tasks.  Floating point processing not used in games?  Seriously, that's just dumb.  If you're going to attack someone for Pachter for being a fool, at least get your points remotely right.  You seem to be just as ill informed as he. "

Some of you folks need to take a closer look at the video I posted earlier in this thread.  In the last demonstration which showcased "The Abomination" at over 7Ghz, you could see the data readout for "Frames Per Second" reaching "360 FPS" with everything maxed out. Neither console is capable of the anywhere near the same benchmark and that should be all the proof anyone needs, unless of course, you don't understand the technology.

Did you just say that the Cell is probably better than almost all PC CPU's? Fail.

I think the point that Pachter was trying to get across was this. 
 
That for the vast majority of people who own a PC, they do not have a system capable of outperforming a PS3 when it comes to playing video games. Your average PC is not capable of running a game at a solid and high framerate on a 19" monitor let alone on a 42" or higher TV like a PS3 can. And that while yes there are PC systems and hardware out there that people build that will certainly outperform a PS3, those people are the minority. They are in essence an example of why there are no PC exclusives, because out of the huge number of people that actually own a PC, very few of them actually use it to play games or have a PC even capable of playing games at the same level as a PS3 can provide.
 
I look at it like this, I'm a PC gaming enthusiast who happens to own a PS3 which I bought for £239. I can play MW2 straight out the box on my 42" TV at a solid 60fps with it. I could not buy individual parts to build a PC or even buy a pre-built PC for £239 that would be capable of playing MW2 on a 42" TV at a solid 60fps. And that my friends is what he was trying to get across, that when it comes to cost vs effect, the PS3 trumps the PC.
 
Considering he is a numbers man I imagine that is the reasoning he made that statement, even though it came off as a generalisation or rather poorly worded statement I do see sense in what he said. But it seems like hating on Pachter is now the 'cool' thing to do by telling everyone you have a 'Quad Core, SLI, Water Cooled, Overlocked, NEON LIT!' PC system that you manage to play World of Warcraft on.....

The thousands of overclocking enthusiasts would say otherwise.

" As for GTA IV not looking as good on PC:   http://www.gametrailers.com/video/pc-360-comparison-grand-theft/43929  That was from a year ago; the lag issue has already been resolved in a patch. My system runs it on max settings at 60fps and it looks almost a generation ahead of the console version.  "

He put his foot in his mouth, plain and simple.  There is plenty of proof all over the Internet and being a so-called "numbers man" just makes him look all the more foolish.

Trying to defend his poorly chosen words with, "He didn't mean what he said, he meant something else" doesn't fly in the real world.

" @Geno said:

Did you just say that the Cell is probably better than almost all PC CPU's? Fail.

At certain maths, absolutely, 100% yes.  Floating point performance?  Blows the highest end PC CPU out of the water!  Is that necessarily the best thing to use a CPU for?  Probably not, although it compliments the PS3's GPU well, at least.  Again, you're just as misinformed as Pachter. "

Pachter is an idiot, and has some some dumb shit over time, but this by far is the dumbest. I cant believe anyone other than a stupid fanboy that is 12 years old claimed this...honestly the dumbest comment I have heard in a loong time. Regardless of what anyone claims he probably meant to say, what he did say wasnt that..so he ends up looking extremely dumb for it, once again.

" @Symphony said:

"I seem to have stumbled upon some hardcore geek discussion. I shall now turn around and take my leave. Good day, to you all! "

Im with this dude.  But i do have one thing i wanna say, Isnt a ps3 a computer without windows????  I pretty sure someday there wont even be a counsil vs pc thing because they will be the same thing.........someday.   Peace have fun arguing about pointless crap. "

By now we all know that Michael Pachter is an idiot. We don't need to post everytime he says something stupid, and i'm honestly surprised that he's still listened to by all the game news outlets after he's been wrong so many times. Just what I remember: 
 
1.Borderlands would be a failure because of DA:O and MW2 launching close to the same date as it. 
2. this. 
3. episodes from liberty city would sell a couple million in the first month (it has currently sold around 100k in the US) 
 
I know there's more but these are just the ones that stuck out to me, and the more obviously wrong ones.

" @carlthenimrod: I made a whole thread that shows how pc games looks better than console games, unless i'm mistaken, I don't think your statement is correct. Your probally running things at a very low resolution.  
 
I don't see how a game can look worst, here is the thread btw, it's almost superior in every way, resolution, framerates and textures. Your statement is completely untrue and uncharted 2 is only one of the few exceptions. It shouldn't be regarded as every game on consoles is the same as uncharted 2. Crysis on very high looks better than anything else out there, if you want to make a claim, challege me with screenshots at 720p that`s ingame with a hud and everything. (if the screenshots are small for the thread, it`s the site`s fault, I can get it fullsize if necessary)
 
 Thread "

There is no need for this back and fourth thing at all...if you have a half decent PC it is better than a console, end of story. Even games from several years ago with everything on high and AA can look easily better than any console game, its no debate, its just the truth. I thought this was honestly common sense that everyone knew by now.

u can buy a 500 dollar pc that looks better than ps3, and is likely faster...

" @carlthenimrod: If you have time, take a look at ps3 screenshots of uncharted 2 and gears of war 2 again on gamespot. You would be suprised how the cell processor only is an effects processor and the polygons are from the gpu. It just puts effects on the polygons and it doesn't look that impressive. Just because you can run crysis well doesn't mean others can't. Screenshots shows how much textures and details a game really has, like I said your going to be suprised how much better some pc games look compared to console games. For your statement I might have to use this thread and post screenshots to compare, I don't think geno would mind though.   I challenge gears of war 2 with gears 1 on the pc, also I challenge uncharted 2 with resident evil 5 or crysis very high on the pc. I can post framerates to show the speed if necessary. Or I'll make a new thread with your quote and challenge every ps3 and xbox360's exclusive. Just because you can't see the detail in motion for certain games doesn't mean it has all that detail or looks better than the pc. Your probally fooled by art design, animation and normal mapping more than anything. "