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Crossing my fingers for lurkers.
Why? Marauders would rape them
Crossing my fingers that Marauders get replaced/removed.
nahhh they are a pretty big part of T in sc2 :P
Yes, but the marauder kinda broke Terran in SC2, and many feel it should be outright removed in the next game and replaced with something that a few similar traits, but less utility, so Terran gets an SC1 feel again. If you hear Artosis talk about it you'll understand why (he was one of the better American Terrans in SC1 but he refuses to play Terran in SC2 because of the Marauder. He referred to it as the easy button on State of The Game). It has a lot of health and armour, takes forever to kill, kills buildings and units incredibly fast (as in, one drop of marauders can snipe a nexus faster than you can respond in many cases), is highly mobile which is compounded with its ability to slow down the units it chases, making it very difficult to retreat from. From an RTS design standpoint it is not a well implemented unit. In TvP, there is no real downside to using it, as it is incredibly solid against basically any early game Protoss composition.
The marauder is like the colossus, few would be sad to see it go.
I'm sorry but you are living in a fantasy world if you think they are getting rid of the Marauder. When they talk about removing units, they mean ones that don't have a very good purpose like reapers (Pretty much only used for cheese, after that I've literally never seen one.)
It's possible the Marauders would get nerfed. Personally I'd just like to see the other races get more answers to it (AS you pointed out, Toss gatway units lose to Terran Barracks units 9 times out of ten, requiring higher tech, which is a pain.) But it's not the reason Terrans have such high win ratios.
I never said it would be removed, I just said most people who I've heard discuss it want it removed or remade (Even some pro Terrans. LiquidJinro has stated many times he hates the marauder and would rather have tanks for TvP that are actually viable outside of all-ins). I imagine it will be nerfed instead, or, as you said, Protoss will be given an actual answer to it that doesn't barely work (zerg has an answer, in that most zerg styles use units it isn't good against). It definitely isn't the reason Terran does so well at high levels against Protoss. The threat of 1/1/1 seems to be the biggest issue in Pro TvP now since it requires a completely different response than most of the other builds that Terran does, like 2rax pressure, which kills the builds that are strongest against 1/1/1, IE nexus first or 1gate expand, and Protoss can't scout it early enough to decide between which response to use. Well, that and ghosts, which Protoss and Zerg are having huge issues with because of how much utility it has for its cheap gas cost.
Also, I read on the TL thread for the new Terran unit that the reaper is reportedly not being removed, and is getting reaper speed earlier again, since it was basically nerfed out of usefulness since it was hit with multiple nerfs at once (barracks after depot, no speed before factory). i have seen a couple neat uses for it, primarily by QXC who would make one wave of them instead of marauders then snipe expansions with them since they do so well against buildings.
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