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#1  Edited By Ben_H
@Zyte said: 

Attack. As Protoss, upgrading Attack is always the best, no matter what race your opponent play.It is especially important to upgrade Attack +1 quickly when facing Zerg. (Since Zealots will kill Zerglings in 2 hits, instead of 3 without the upgrade etc.)

Not necessarily.  Armour is far more beneficial against Terran in the early stages than attack until the lategame when high tech, aoe units are out, hence why you see many pros having 1 attack/2-3 armour upgrades in the midgame before getting more attack upgrades and higher tech units.  Armour upgrades negate bio incredibly well, especially for zealots, which when combined with charge make them terrifying against marine/marauder compositions when trapped by forcefields  or confined spaces because the zealots take much longer to die and cause a significantly larger amount of damage.  The upgrade makes a much more noticeable difference against marines than marauders though since they rely on fast shots of small damage compared to the marauder's slower shot that inflicts more damage.
 
Against zerg, attack is more beneficial until the lategame, where you should optimally be getting armour upgrades anyway.  In the current trend for Protoss (IE: all of the stupid 2-base all-in crap with 5-7 gateways), attack upgrades are an integral part to the build working. 
 
Shield upgrades are useless, especially against ghost-using Terrans because if they EMP right you won't have shields anyway.  I only get shields once 3/3 is done and all other necessary tech is upgraded.
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#2  Edited By Ben_H

I've been watching JP's stream a lot since he started streaming (mainly because he plays Party Rock Anthem every 5 minutes.  His desktop background is even a tribute to that song now), and he has got so much better than he used to be.  He regularly plays people from well known smaller teams and wins (vile and other teams like that).  He seems to have a solid understanding of all 3 races and can macro as well.  He always seems to go for the macro game.  He tilts a ton just like me though, though I seem to win more when I tilt as Terran these days.
 
  

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He was great on TL Attack today.

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#4  Edited By Ben_H
@BombKareshi said:
@baldgye said:
If you're playign as protoss and want easy wins in practice leagues just 4gate.. put your pylons on the high ground next to the rocks and you dont even have to kill your own rocks...  ..when I was messing around in the practice league I went for a 4gate but instead of making units prior to warpgate I just took my natural..
Well, I'm not looking for "easy wins" as such, I'm just trying to get some experience. Warp Gates are something I think I should leave for later when I'm better at macro. Even with queuing I sometimes catch my Gateways not doing anything.
Start using them now so you can get a feeling for cooldown.  Plus it will help you more with macro and surviving against attacks.  It is basically a requirement for protoss.  If you don't want to use it, maybe think about playing Terran until you feel comfortable.
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#5  Edited By Ben_H
@baldgye said:
@Aus_azn said:
@baldgye said:

how does cannon runnishg a zerg even work?? If he rushed ur natural, just 1base it up and go for roaches...

I thought cannon rushes usually mean they wall off your main ramp, not your natural expo. Unless you're expecting it and preempted with very early lings (like 11pool or earlier), roaches are going to be far too slow.   Every time I've been cannonrushed, it was because I opened 13pool or 14pool; the proxy usually drops before I can expo with the (mostly) walled off ramp, hence the worker pull.  EDIT: My earlier solution to tech to mutas is if the guy goes nuts with dumping cannons in your base. If he puts few enough cannons that you can rush and shut down the pylon quickly, then you can just build a normal army and be ready to stomp it and the guy's army. But, every cannonrush I've endured involves him literally surrounding my base in cannons, so mutas just wreck his crap. Kill his pylons, nexus and workers and it's instant gg. Worse comes to worse, if he decides to use his lone probe and expo into your natural, then you should be able to snipe his mineral line and nexus from around without submitting to cannon death. 

yeah if they cannon rush ur natural... then go 1base roaches expand and pressure/kill the fuck out of them.. cannons are shit vs mass roach
Or even better, if you have a scout drone out just take a different base as your natural then kill him by building units from that base because they won't expect as they won't see anything leaving your base.  I find the optimal  base to take to be their main and the optimal location for a hatchery to be that spot in their main where they won't be checking because they suck (they did cannon rush you, didn't they.  Doing logical things like SCOUTING will not be on their agenda).  Even better, build a queen at said proxy hatch to spread creep and deny them building in their base.  It works well because even if you don't successfully kill them, they'll be so occupied with that base in their base that they're likely to make a lot of mistakes because they suck.  From there just make any unit and kill them.  I have had much success with this strategy in response to cannon rushes. 
 
Here's a replay: 
 
http://www.gamereplays.org/starcraft2/replays.php?game=33&show=details&id=217049
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I've used chargelot/archon since before the buff in both PvT and PvZ (as in back in January or so.  I haven't built a colossus before the 20 minute mark in 2011). If you forcefield they die no matter what, buff or not.  After the buff I didn't lose a PvT for over a month until that guy introduced the 3rax before OC garbage build.  Then I quit laddering with protoss for a while and learned how to macro better as all 3 races (My zerg is better than my Protoss now.  And probably my Terran too.  I find them both more fun.  Especially Terran).  But now I'm back to my 2gate-roboing ways in all matchups and stomping everyone with macro again.  It is quite satisfying.  All the zergs I've played expect me to all-in (because 95% of protoss do that because they suck.  I often see 4-5 spines built when my obs gets to their base just because it is expected for me to all-in) so when I play super safe and macro focused they seem to fall apart since I can deny all econ damage.
 
People need to realize armour upgraded chargelots are one of the best units in the game (attack upgrade doesn't matter.  THEY DON'T DIE).  Marine/marauder?  With forcefields or a small space chargelots stomp that.  Hydra/Ling busts?  Chargelots are decent against that too (good luck running your hydras away).  Blink stalkers or stalker/immortal?  Chargelots kill that easy.  Marine tank?  Chargelots  kill that (they force splash damage no matter what and if the marines retreat  to dodge splash they just charge into the tanks, and are even more potent with HTs and archons)If you spread them out they demolish everything. 
 
Phoenix/Colossus with sentries and zealots was downright broken before Terrans smartened up and learned to target the phoenixes with marines and vikings instead of a-moving their stimmed units and dying as all their medivacs and vikings die to phoenixes in record time, leaving a bunch of damaged marines against 3/3 zealots and colossi (double forge was always my starter.  If I didn't see vikings I didn't even bother with phoenixes as I could just win with gateway units and colossi.  Oh back around 8 months ago, what a boring time.  Colossus here, colossus there, colossus EVERYWHERE.

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#7  Edited By Ben_H
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@Ben_H said:

Wow the production of this is abysmal. They FINALLY balanced the sound so you can here stuff in the left channel. Did they prepare at all before this. They said they did but I somehow doubt this.

Well Day9 is here so this should get better.

I hope so.  So far the LR thread on Team Liquid has been more entertaining than the stream.  At least they have an actual observer now and not that automated crap.
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Wow the production of this is abysmal.  They FINALLY balanced the sound so you can here stuff in the left channel.  Did they prepare at all before this.  They said they did but I somehow doubt this.

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#9  Edited By Ben_H
@emergency said:

You knows it.

Heck yes. I always leave it on the title screen for a couple minutes before I start playing just because of that song.
 
This came to mind.  I've never played Patapon but this seemed really badass. 
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#10  Edited By Ben_H
@DystopiaX said:

@Thule said:

Whatever you get make sure it's a mechanical one. Do some research into them so you know what kind of switches you want. I've got a Steelseries 7G and I really like it. Once you start using a mechanical keyboard it's feels weird(The keys are a litle more hard to depress), but once you're used to it normal keyboards just feel weird and mushy and you don't ever want to use something else.

You should check out the keyboard thread on Teamliquid:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=172502

Only blacks are harder to depress. Blues/browns/reds/clears are a lot easier to press down.

@Ben_H said:

@Korwin said:

@Management said:

http://www.daskeyboard.com/

Das Keyboard is a really good mechanical keyboard, but you won't be able to get it from a Best Buy.

2nd Vote for Das Keyboard.

I plan to purchase an Ultimate Silent at some point down the line. For now my ghetto fabulous IBM keyboard will do. It does have a blue enter key after all.

IBM keyboards are like the 2nd level of hipster tech for mechanical keyboards lol. I'd get an ultimate silent but Filco just released their ghost which looks even sicker (blank keycaps on top, but the letters/numbers are printed on the side of the keycap facing you, so you can kind of see them but it still looks really clean, and awesome)

My IBM is not mechanical, it's a 10 dollar membrane keyboard I snagged from my dad's work.  They had around 30 of them sitting on a shelf in boxes so I asked my dad and he said I could take one.  I find it incredibly comfortable to use. 
 
I was going to get an IBM style buckling spring board from Unicomp, but with shipping and duty it is around 35 bucks more expensive than ordering a Das from NCIX.  Filco seems kinda tough to get in Canada unfortunately or I would already have a Majestouch.