Yes, This is Me Hating on Natal

People have discussed such points in the main Natal threads, no point to make a new one for it. Or at least don't expect everyone to re-type everything they wanted...

Very nice article, and while it might be a bit too soon to see what the Natal really does, I agree with you on all points. That thing looks, as of right now, just straight jankey.

dood. controllers always going to exist i mean crysys thats something that aint not going to happen with a camera on you, and now with the wii, this motion sens controll will be always co exist with the classic controller, no one is the killer of the other.

Or, Microsoft has no intention of revolutionizing anything, and just want a piece of the casual market with this. There, didn't even need to 3 sentences.

I'm going to try it or hear about it from trusted critics before I pass judgment.   If it can do all the shit they claimed, it could be pretty neat.

It depends on they use it, are they going to target the 'hardcore' gamers with it, or the casual ones? I think the casual ones, if they do target the casual ones this thing is gonna flop IMO. But it does have potential.

I kinda like my controller, please don't take that away from me....... The camera thingy is interesting and I look forward to getting one in the future but I don't need any replacing happening. O_O

I figured there would be threads on this and all but... well that's not stopping me from making my blog posts. Kinda what it's there for, isn't it?

Dudes haven't thought of Milo because Milo is freaking useless.

I mean, you are right.

But you are coming from the wrong angle.

No one said Natal was trying to replace the controller, it's just a new way to play. Oh course they could try to do that, but that would look like idiots. At least the good thing about Wii is that it still has buttons for contextual commands, but Natal could never had an entire console built around it. This seems more like Eyetoy 3.0 to me.

I think the nah-sayers don't understand something...no one's played it, and it looks cool.

If they take that milo stuff, put it in a detective game where i interview serial killers and then go as a lawyer or something I think that would be pretty cool. Of course I'm never going to play a shooter or devil may cry with Natal, but if it is as precise as they say you could RTS games, adventure games or Heavy Rain type stuff. Microsoft aren't scraping their controllers, they've just made an optional camera, if they (or someone they hire) can make a cool experience with it then that should be all that matters, if they can't will still have all the stuff we already have.

Nice article, but I totally disagree.

You can't judge a thing like this only on the quality of tech demos - we're talking about the potential of a device. If you think the only thing it could potentially ever do was an Arkanoid clone and throwing paint at a wall then you'd have a point.

You say that gamers want controllers, but that's missing the point - they are talking about reaching out to people who would never touch a controller. 

If some people don't want to be jumping around - that's fine by me, there are plenty of traditional games for controllers.

It certainly won't affect the next Gears or the next Devil May Cry - I totally accept that. It's not for all games - that doesn't mean it's a waste of time.

I could imagine all of these same criticisms coming when the Wii first launched - who wants silly motion controllers? The answer is that millions upon millions have responded to those controllers. And this may be the next step.

I'm really excited about it, and the Milo concept is about the most exciting prospect I've ever seen, and would be a genuine revolution in gaming. Good luck Peter Molyneux - hope you pull it off.

I keep seeing this irrational reaction that just because someone invents a new toy, people act like that toy is going to render all other toys obsolete and that games forever are going to use the new toy. This has never happened, and it's not happening anytime soon. Controllers aren't going anywhere, Natal is just a new way to do things in addition to what's already available.
As for Milo, I kinda doubt that's going to be released in its current tech-demo form. Right now it's just a good way to show off what Natal can do. But when the Milo tech gets into Fable 3...

Alrighty then, explenation time. No where in my article did I say I think this was replacing all video games. If you look very closely at my title you'll see why this isn't going to revolutionize gaming, and yes, yes they most certainly DID say that this was going to do just that.

Also, (Didn't i say this would happen?) I do think there IS potential in there, I said as much. I also said that I don't believe this thing is going to work as well as they said itt will. Why don't I believe this? The Wii-mote didn't work as well as they said it would, and no other camera device has ever come close to working as well as it should. Also, watching them up on stage I saw the things that make me suspicious. The Milo concept is okay, but I'm interested that none of you find it as much of a nightmare-program as I do. I wasn't kidding: That thing really is the nexst step in AI and it's not a direction I want to be going.

You are right if you say the camera won't replace the controller, I am aware of that. I didn't make it clear but my main problem here is that the 360 is primarily a hardcore gamers device, and always will be. I don't see this camera breaking that stigma and making it a super-popular everyone device that's going to "put smiles on more faces."

Also I like hwo nobody defended using it as a menu navigation device. God that sounds so stupid, reading over my article again.

Seriously, they didnt stamp on a controller and shout "Fuck this old tech!"

"All our games are now INCOMPATABLE with controllers, Project Natal is the ONLY solution!"

I think all of this motion capture crap is stupid except for Natal, which is just amazing. I'd much rather have a controller in hand and an awesome game on the TV

Why does everyone seem to think this Milo thing is some sort of technological innovation in itself?

Its like context sensitive animations as opposed to a physics engine. Milo IS NOT some sort of amazingly intelligent robo-child that utilizes "Natal" in any special way. Milo does NOT create unforseen outcomes based on a set of rules, he has a bunch pre-canned responses to user interaction. And it just so happens to use a camera to do that.

Swirling your hand around in fake water is not new or exciting. Having a primitive AI respond predictably to a user with facial recognition is not new or exciting. Flailing madly while attempting to play a solo version of dodgeball is NOT new or exciting. Microsoft is quite clearly attempting to tap into the Wii's non-gamer audience, that's it.

This "Natal" was by far lamest thing I've seen so far this E3 (facebook on XBL being a close 2nd).

I agree with the good doctor here, while the stuff on Wii Sports Resort and Sonys dildo look like they have an impact on gaming Natal seems more like an interface and the games demoed for it seem disjointed from the player in a way. Milo (Peter is starting to freak me the f out) and the paint program in particular looked godawful to me. I mean the Sony dudes were touching that skeleton dummy 1 to 1 with full physics in play, it looked like you were touching the game more or less.

Don't we all want that?

i completely agree. 

I fully agree here. I think the camera thing is a bit..."ugh." Not going to work.

But maybe hardcore gamers are not their target at all and all that will really focus on with the camera is casual type games and workout games or something. *shrug* I think there will always be a controller as plenty of us (myself for sure included) would want it no other way.