Remember when Sony had their demo of the "Move" during E3 09?  People were divided into two camps.  People who said "Fuck this shit, it is the poor man's Wii remote!!!" and the people who said "This really looks like it has a lot of potential."  I will say I am in the latter.  Looking at the tech demo they had, everything about it blew me away.  First was the fact that the pointer didn't twitch, which is comparable to the Wii which is quite frequent with the exception of a few games (e.g. Dawn of Discovery).  I was looking forward to Move because it seemed more intuitive and smoother than the Wii remote.  Now it seems like they are just imitating Nintendo then out doing Nintendo.  No matter how impressive the hardware is, you need software to back it up.
 
SOCOM 4: US Navy SEALs
 
They have a nice idea with this game.  It was the kind of support people wanted with the Wii remote when it first came out, only left dead at the alter for the lackluster Red Steel.  A game  that controlled poorly and didn't show off the best of what the Wii can do.  I played SOCOM game before on the PS2 at a friends house.  It was then that I learned that I was Dual Analog stick illiterate when it came to First Person Shooters or for that matter, any shooter.  The Wii remote was the first time I showed any interest for the Genre on the consoles.  Still not as good as the Mouse and Keyboard but at least I can play the damn games.  The game itself is very conduitish, in a way that it still makes it seems boring regardless.
 
TV Superstars
 Did anyone really care for You're in the Movies?  Apparently 450,000 people actually did.
  

So the whole controller looks lame because of 4-5 games? 
 
Well then I guess the Wii was shit as soon as it launched.

Not a single thing on that list interests me.  Maybe at a stretch, LBP.  It just doesn't excite me at all.  Maybe a year down the track something compelling will come along, but the developers need millions and millions of these controller in homes to justify the development cost.  With one controller pack, in my currency, it will push the cos of the PS3 up to $700, so I am going to give it a big miss for about $300 price reduction's time - not soon.

Very interested in the table tennis game, then again, I really play and enjoy table tennis in the comforts of my own home.

I agree with you, it lacks the Nintendo charm. It seems too serious and stiff.  
 
Applying casual gaming ideas to core gamers problem maybe.

Being a person who thinks the Wii Sports series are the only games that have justified motion controls, I find the Sports Champions game to be interesting.  The gladiator stuff in particular looks to add more depth to what Wii Sports Resort did with sword fighting.  The art design is extremely generic though.

 First was the fact that the pointer didn't twitch

besides LBP, all of that was proof of concept/shovel ware crap 
lets all wait and see what the good devs do with this.  
like zipper has clearly shown and media molecule.  

" @Godwind:  You do realize that all of these games are in pre-alpha and being shown at a developer conference. "

Yeah, I don't think what happens at GDC is supposed to be intended for the public, even though we got to see it? I don't know, I am not Sony. But maybe it will look better for people come E3 time.

The cursor's max speed appears to be really slow.

" @Jeust: You gotta remember that the general public generally isn't gonna see this stuff. The dev conference is not a public event. Still, the games looked really boring and dull. When they pulled out the 'nunchuck', I almost spit out my drink. Are they serious? "

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" @Jeust: You gotta remember that the general public generally isn't gonna see this stuff. The dev conference is not a public event. Still, the games looked really boring and dull. When they pulled out the 'nunchuck', I almost spit out my drink. Are they serious? "

But the public end up seing it. I bet they are dead serious, but it's probably a bet more for the ps4, than right now. "

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" @immike said:

" @Jeust: You gotta remember that the general public generally isn't gonna see this stuff. The dev conference is not a public event. Still, the games looked really boring and dull. When they pulled out the 'nunchuck', I almost spit out my drink. Are they serious? "

But the public end up seing it. I bet they are dead serious, but it's probably a bet more for the ps4, than right now. "

By "public" are you referring to us? Because we're not really representative of the mass consumer market, we're like the 5-10% that actually reads game journalism.  "

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" @Jeust said:

" @immike said:

" @Jeust: You gotta remember that the general public generally isn't gonna see this stuff. The dev conference is not a public event. Still, the games looked really boring and dull. When they pulled out the 'nunchuck', I almost spit out my drink. Are they serious? "

But the public end up seing it. I bet they are dead serious, but it's probably a bet more for the ps4, than right now. "

By "public" are you referring to us? Because we're not really representative of the mass consumer market, we're like the 5-10% that actually reads game journalism.  "

and by us reaches a broader audience and in the while not the whole public, but a big chunk of it. "

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" @Geno said:

" @Jeust said:

" @immike said:

" @Jeust: You gotta remember that the general public generally isn't gonna see this stuff. The dev conference is not a public event. Still, the games looked really boring and dull. When they pulled out the 'nunchuck', I almost spit out my drink. Are they serious? "

But the public end up seing it. I bet they are dead serious, but it's probably a bet more for the ps4, than right now. "

By "public" are you referring to us? Because we're not really representative of the mass consumer market, we're like the 5-10% that actually reads game journalism.  "

and by us reaches a broader audience and in the while not the whole public, but a big chunk of it. "

Yes but we understand the implications of an Alpha demo, so when most of us interpret it to say our less-informed friend, we aren't likely to just say "zomg it sux".  "

People seemed to think natal and wiimote were just gimicks. Unless Sony go all out at E3 with some hardcore games then this will not impress me. I like the idea of socom though

" @Geno: Yes, but you know that each person forms her view of what is shown.  "

I still think they're searching for their "killer-app", but so long as the technology has potential then we have to assume the games will come.
 
There was a survival horror type "torch" demo thing in the show-reel which would be cool. The game's they showed looked fun, but I'll agree they weren't totally inspiring. Having said that, it's nice to see the thing demoed live with a name, etc.
 
I'd assume this isn't their full hand. These games seem like easy digestable demoes to get people hands-on with the tech.
 
The potential's there, they just need a killer-app to propel it past the "we've kinda seen this on the Wii" stage.

Lol @ judging a device before:
A; its launched
B; its had enough time to feature software worth buying it for
 
Don't get me wrong, I'm barely even interested in move but come on the freaking thing isn't even on store shelves yet.
If by the end of the year its still a "lame" product with nothing interesting or compelling to justify its purchase then you should complain about it. 
 
Around 5 years ago it would have been accurate to say the 360 didn't have much going for it.  Nothing in history has ever launched as a 'must buy' for everyone, these things take time.

" Well then I guess the Wii was shit as soon as it launched. "

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" Well then I guess the Wii was shit as soon as it launched. "

Yea, pretty much.  (Don't get me wrong I have had some fun on the Wii but the system is a one trick pony and its old, 1-3 good games a year doesn't cut it) "

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" @Cube said:

" Well then I guess the Wii was shit as soon as it launched. "

Yea, pretty much.  (Don't get me wrong I have had some fun on the Wii but the system is a one trick pony and its old, 1-3 good games a year doesn't cut it) "

Just to build on this, how does sony think that this will succeed if everyone has already experienced that "one trick" on the wii. I guess the software / games will have to save it. "

All your criticism is subjective and trivial. Fail thread.

" So the whole controller looks lame because of 4-5 games?   Well then I guess the Wii was shit as soon as it launched. "

I'm not surprised you think it's lame, you're most likely not the demographic they are aiming for with it. Two of the videos I saw had kids playing the game. The other vids just seemed like they are targeted at people who don't regularly visit gaming forums (meaning casual, or a.k.a a large portion of the Wii audience.) 
 
I think that they have something good here, casual gamers who have the money are going to enjoy it, and children are going to love it. I'm personally not interested in it, but that's for the same reasons I already mentioned. 
 
Now I'm more curious about the Natal's business model. With the success of the Wii, I expect other business's to try to take some of the audience. GTA was highly successful, and how many clones came out of that? Same principle here.

I think it looks better than Natal, but at least Microsoft didn't just rip off what the other guy was doing (for once). Sony's level of un-originality is disappointing.

" So the whole controller looks lame because of 4-5 games?   Well then I guess the Wii was shit as soon as it launched.

" Being a person who thinks the Wii Sports series are the only games that have justified motion controls, I find the Sports Champions game to be interesting.  The gladiator stuff in particular looks to add more depth to what Wii Sports Resort did with sword fighting.  The art design is extremely generic though. "

" @Godwind:  You do realize that all of these games are in pre-alpha and being shown at a developer conference. "

" I still think they're searching for their "killer-app", but so long as the technology has potential then we have to assume the games will come.  There was a survival horror type "torch" demo thing in the show-reel which would be cool. The game's they showed looked fun, but I'll agree they weren't totally inspiring. Having said that, it's nice to see the thing demoed live with a name, etc.  I'd assume this isn't their full hand. These games seem like easy digestable demoes to get people hands-on with the tech.  The potential's there, they just need a killer-app to propel it past the "we've kinda seen this on the Wii" stage. "

" Lol @ judging a device before:
A; its launched
B; its had enough time to feature software worth buying it for
 
Don't get me wrong, I'm barely even interested in move but come on the freaking thing isn't even on store shelves yet.
If by the end of the year its still a "lame" product with nothing interesting or compelling to justify its purchase then you should complain about it.   Around 5 years ago it would have been accurate to say the 360 didn't have much going for it.  Nothing in history has ever launched as a 'must buy' for everyone, these things take time. "

In all honesty, I thought SOCOM 4, Move Party and Sports Champions all looked good -- without ever reaching that "ohfuckthatsawesome" stage. I'd actively like to play said three games, and will probably buy them at launch.
 
If that pads out their launch list then so be it -- what Sony now need is the "ohfuckthatsawesome" piece of software. Problem is - it's really hard striking something like that.
 
In some ways, as excited as I am for the possibilities of Move, I wish Sony weren't pushing this quite so hard. They've been really successful with just straight-up, plain-old software lately, and while they absolutely have to bring "new" ideas forward to stay relevent - I hope they don't push this too hard.
 
Obviously, work to make Move a success. But the Playstation 3 has had a resurgence over the last 12 months through good ol' traditional software, and in many ways I hope that's top of their list, with Move in second.

I think it's silly to keep seeing these threads. The Natal and the PSMove are both cleared going to be marketed as family oriented products with a hint of maturity as to suck us in and try them out... 
 
The real question here is:
 
How am I going to be able to keep my Wii Sensor bar, Natal Camera and Eye Toy on my TV so that I don't have to keep swapping them out to use them?!