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It's Our Giant Bomb Too

Wall of Text Alert. Here is a Summary of my Position for Forum Dwellers:

Giant Bomb Community Content is as important as Editorial, and the two should be integrated to give Community Content the same prestige as Editorial, 
which it deserves.
 
You can read the full Blog Post below. If you wanna speed through it, the highlights are in Bold Italics Underlined.

And the Wall of Text (Highlights are in Bold Italics Underlined):

Recently, a good friend I've made through Giant Bomb, by the name of Sweep, posted this . It's a Blog detailing his thoughts on the Giant Bomb Community Content & how it should be promoted, amongst other related things. If you haven't read it, check it out, it's a good read. He makes a lot of great points - and Jeff has revealed in there that the staff are considering a lot of it.
 
It, and the discussion that erupted in the comments, got me thinking though. Thinking about the site, where it's come from...Where it's going. Most  thought provoking of all was a sentiment in the comments there that I've seen all the way through the site's life which runs completely counter to what Giant Bomb is all about to me.
 
That sentiment? "It's their Bomb and we're just living in it."
 
It usually manifests whenever someone is trying to promote Community content - even the staff. Yep, it's most evident in the comments on the Answers to the QOTY. There it takes the form of people complaining about how much they hate the contributions and how they just want to see and hear from the Editorial Team. In discussions like the one Sweep prompted, it takes the form of people projecting that opinion onto the masses - r epeated claims that "Most people are only here to see what the Staff say", or "the Community is dumb, the only thing worthwhile is the Editorial".
 
Those statements, made as absolutes as they are, are complete and utter bullshit. I've been here this whole time, right back from when we used the Comments on the Wordpress Blog as a Forum, through the Chatroom on the Justin.tv channel on launch day when I sat up all night waiting for, and eventually playing with, the site, and up until now where the site has ballooned into something much larger than I ever imagined. And through all that time, I have never seen a scrap of evidence that "most people are ONLY here for the Editorial".
 
Never in all my time on the internet have I ever seen a Community create so much amazing content, so fast, in such a broad array of media as right here at Giant Bomb. Sometimes I sit in awe at the things people have contributed - the Mass Effect 2 Mega Guide, some of the amazingly detailed Wikis, everything ZombiePie does, TurboMan's burger review videos, the sheer masses of Forum Posts and Wiki Points a lot of my fellow users have, awesome Lists like the "Doing a Brad" List, the VOLUME of reviews some users have contributed.
 
Y ou guys in the Giant Bomb Community make me ashamed of how little I've contributed sometimes. I look back at my largest contribution - The Bomb Should Have A Face Podcast and wonder how we ever thought something as miniscule as a Podcast was supposed to contain a summary of everything you guys are doing. I've been here this whole time, and I'm a nobody. Because Giant Bomb's users are some of the finest content creators on the entire internet. I can't keep up with you! The only place I've come close is in the F1 2009 Wiki - and that's because I think I'm the only significant F1 fan on the site!
 
And as ashamed as I feel of my own paltry contribution, I feel nothing but pride in Giant Bomb. All of you, together with Editorial, have made this site a joy to use. I've made friends here, launched my pseudo-Career as a broadcaster here and I've spent hours, maybe days, consuming just a tiny portion of what's produced.
 
So I'm saying here, right now: The belittling of our Community & its contributions has to stop.
 
A big step in the right direction would be the Bomb Shelter concept Sweep conceived, but it has to go further. The Staff alone can't stop all the hate. Not even with the help of a few Community Managers. If (When) the Staff find a way to get the Content up there alongside Editorial, we have to help. Way back when, a bunch of us tried to use Bomb Should Have A Face to spread the love. It was too small. The "Bomb Shelter" concept requires us to all come together and help eachother, the staff and the mods out. If you see a way to vote up content, or vote it down, use it. If people are in the comments hating on users' content for no reason, consider drowning them out with praise, or constructive criticism. I've been remiss in doing this myself. But no more, It has to be done. I genuinely believe, based on what I've seen since I came here, that there is a whole lotta love in the Giant Bomb Community. Let's use it.
 
Lastly, I would like to tack something onto Sweep's "Bomb Shelter" idea. I feel that the Engineering team's concept of promoting content on various pages is not flawed . It just needs refining. The "Bomb Shelter" Tab should act as an engine driving which content makes it out into the "Editorial" walled garden . That way, the best content on the site can be seen by those who just read Editorial (Eg, the unregistered lurkers, link followers etc.).
 
For example, the homepage currently shows a featured review at the bottom, and some Topics. I say, throw that review into the promo bar at the top of the page, with the Editorial. Do the same with the Cream of the Crop in other categories - Blogs, Lists, even Wikis. This has sort of been done in the past. But it's through Jeff or another Editor manually adding in a post, like the one pimping out the Mass Effect 2 Mega Guide, or through the since defunct Weekly Bomb Drop (Which was a fairly inefficient way of doing it - since evolved, via "The Community is Still a Threat" into The Community Spotlight Redux - incidentally my favorite Forum Topic).
 
Anyway, I didn't mean to ramble on at you so much. My point is, the attitude that Community & Editorial are these two separate walled gardens must end. In the words of Jeff Gerstmann: "building a community of people...is a big part of what Giant Bomb is all about". The Community is in this site's blood. It's pumped through the site's very core, the Wiki Database. It's our Bomb too.
 
And if that bomb's going to go off, then Bomb Should Have A Face.
 
PS: That last part was just for old time's sake, I miss the old community show. ;)
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I'm late to the party, but the community's content shouldn't be considered on par with the core editorial team. There's a reason that the crew of Jeff, Ryan, Brad and Vinny are trusted names in the video game industry, because they've proven their intelligence and credibility in the public eye for many years. I certainly mean no disrespect to one of the best gaming communities and most robust knowledge systems on the Internet, but none of this works without the core Whiskey Media team leading the way.
 
When the community as a whole can offer that level of contribution, then it'll be apples to apples.

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@Jensonb: It has become to many pages in this thread for me to review them so I say sorry if this already coem up. I have tip for you if you want to have a way to market/make your work vissible to others. It's sadly not on Giantbomb but what you ask for can be provided by Bitmob.com. it's not the solution for Giantbomb of course but if you really think you make quality content then check Bitmob out. It's driven by ex EGM/Gamespot people and they house alot of quality bloggers there, some people have even become a part of the editorial team. 
  http://www.bitmob.com  
         
As I said. It's not the solution you seek but a way for your content to get the screentime you think it's deserves.
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Edited By Majkiboy

imho, You make the site to fulfill your personal needs. OFC we all have different needs. 
You like user created info, the site got that covered.
You like editorial viewpoints, that's covered as well. 
 aaaand so on....

@Jensonb: ty man

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@zudthespud said:
" The editors earn a living making reviews for games. I'd much rather read/listen to what they have to say about the game compared to any member of the community. That doesn't mean I never look at user reviews, but if I read about a game I am interested in and a member of staff says don't touch it then I won't.  My view: If you don't like it leave, this website is not a democracy. "
Dude. You may not like user-generated content, and that's your opinion. You're entitled to it. But there are many who do, and want to see an improvement in this area. Even the staff are supporting it. If you don't like it, leave.
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The editors earn a living making reviews for games. I'd much rather read/listen to what they have to say about the game compared to any member of the community. That doesn't mean I never look at user reviews, but if I read about a game I am interested in and a member of staff says don't touch it then I won't.
 
My view: If you don't like it leave, this website is not a democracy.

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Edited By Jensonb

Alright look. I don't mind people coming in here and disagreeing completely. But 60-70% of you are putting words in my mouth, and the mouths of people who agree with me (Or vice versa). Some of you aren't doing that, but are mis-representing our position. Here is a quick Fact-Check:
 

  1. I love Editorial and don't want them to change a thing - I especially oppose a reduction in the quantity.
  2. You need to actually read Sweep's suggestion rather than assuming you know what it is. It is for a Tab, maintained by Community Managers such as the CSR editor ZombiePie, where community content is showcased. Essentially, the CSR streamlined and formalised, with a neat position in the nav bar. Second, he is NOT DEMANDING IT, none of use are demanding anything. We love the site, we care about the site, these are our suggestions.
  3. My suggestion is just a slight addition to Sweep's. I'd have the Community "ThumbUp" the things they like, and use those votes to help sort the Community Tab. Currently, Editorial occasionally does a Blog post linking to content like the Mass Effect 2 Megaguide. All I am suggesting is that this be simplified and formalised by putting those links on the homepage in a more prominent spot. Why's that an addition? Because the discovery would be simplified. It would just be a case of the staff looking at the highest rated stuff on the CS, taking a look at it and, if they liked it, adding the link.
  4. I would suggest allowing users to turn these homepage links to community stuff off.
  5. My content is not the stuff I am talking about AT ALL.
  6. You can serve ads on Community Content. YouTube does it. Facebook does it. Wikia does it. It's not a big deal.
  7. The Whiskey Media Engineers are heroes and I would love to buy them all a beer to thank them for all their hard work. Same goes for the Editorial staff - of all the Whiskey sites, even the ones I don't use.
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I love how people try to be holier-than-though, conceited dicks by saying, "it's just a website". Especially when they have over 2,000 posts. Just shut the fuck up. There are people who care about Giant Bomb, and there are people who want to see this place flourish. You're just showing disrespect to the moderators and countless dedicated members who work hard to keep this community afloat.

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@Willy105 said:
" @Cube said:
" It's just a website...  Also GB's community isn't all that great. "
Neither is Gamespot's System Wars, but we run our own journalistic magazine. "
System Wars Monthly is at least funny or satirical in a sense. 
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@Cube said:
" It's just a website...  Also GB's community isn't all that great. "
Neither is Gamespot's System Wars, but we run our own journalistic magazine.
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I don't know dude. I come here for the content from Ryan, Jeff, Brad, Vinny, Drew and Dave and whoever else they deem appropriate. Sometimes I come here and there is no new content. At that point, I'll go through the forums and see if there is anything interesting. There is. Interesting stuff, that is. I don't comment on it that much because... I usually don't have anything interesting to say that hasn't already been said. Whatever.
 
To think that they should vet every single forum post that comes through and then decide whether or not it should go to the homepage is ridiculous. I believe that people that are interested in the community aspect of the website are already heavily invested in it. Forcing it down the throats of everyone that comes to the website is a bad idea. Let's face it, the vast majority of the people on here aren't as funny as the Giant Bomb crew. They sure as hell aren't as knowledgeable.
 
What I would suggest would be to start your own website. I don't know, it could just be a blog. If you're good, people will come. If you're that good, you'd probably get a lot of people from Giant Bomb and other places. That's how GoNintendo started. It's super-successful. 
 
Just don't be a douche and blame Giant Bomb because you aren't getting the coverage that you feel that you deserve for some reason.

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@Bellum said:
" @jakob187 said:
" @Bellum: TurboToaster's artwork is now adorning the page for the Bombcast.  There are QOTW videos every week...made by the community.  There are mailbag videos...to showcase what the community has sent the guys.  They are constantly working on different ways for the community to be recognized.  I'm sorry, but all of this hubbub from Jenson and Sweep and everyone else saying that Giant Bomb as an entity doesn't show enough support or organization for the community...are in serious need of a reality check...and a drop in ego.  We are the players, the actors, and contributors...and Giant Bomb is the director and provider.  If you don't like that role, then I don't know what to say.  "
  I think the majority of this nonsense about wanting to be "better than the staff" or whatever is created by misleading posts like this. Perhaps I've missed that part, but I don't think anyone here has criticized the staff as not caring about the community. Most of the anti-community stuff is coming from a few vocal morons from the community itself. The staff has been doing a great job. I see this thread as merely a suggestion of how to logistically pull off what they've already been aiming for. "
Exactly, yes.
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They should just destroy or rework the QOTW, and we can all get on with our lives, or the wasting thereof.
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I think this is called puberty. When a website reaches a certain age it starts growing hair in weird places and well, that's just not comfortable. YET necessary.

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@jakob187 said:
" @Bellum: TurboToaster's artwork is now adorning the page for the Bombcast.  There are QOTW videos every week...made by the community.  There are mailbag videos...to showcase what the community has sent the guys.  They are constantly working on different ways for the community to be recognized.  I'm sorry, but all of this hubbub from Jenson and Sweep and everyone else saying that Giant Bomb as an entity doesn't show enough support or organization for the community...are in serious need of a reality check...and a drop in ego.  We are the players, the actors, and contributors...and Giant Bomb is the director and provider.  If you don't like that role, then I don't know what to say.  "
 
 
I think the majority of this nonsense about wanting to be "better than the staff" or whatever is created by misleading posts like this. Perhaps I've missed that part, but I don't think anyone here has criticized the staff as not caring about the community. Most of the anti-community stuff is coming from a few vocal morons from the community itself. The staff has been doing a great job. I see this thread as merely a suggestion of how to logistically pull off what they've already been aiming for.
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I could care less about what random people post on the site if they don't include their real names. Hiding behind anonymity is so easy. If you want community driven content floating to the top of the page every once in a while, you're in the wrong place. Join 1up or Bitmob. Let Giantbomb be what it is.

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@Bellum: TurboToaster's artwork is now adorning the page for the Bombcast.  There are QOTW videos every week...made by the community.  There are mailbag videos...to showcase what the community has sent the guys.  They are constantly working on different ways for the community to be recognized. 
 
I'm sorry, but all of this hubbub from Jenson and Sweep and everyone else saying that Giant Bomb as an entity doesn't show enough support or organization for the community...are in serious need of a reality check...and a drop in ego. 
 
We are the players, the actors, and contributors...and Giant Bomb is the director and provider.  If you don't like that role, then I don't know what to say. 
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I just think that the editorial team should be a little bit more involved with the community. It's rare that we see a post on the forums from Jeff, or anybody else. Hardly even a blog post directed to the community.

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I'll contribute to this flamewar of a thread with this:
 
 
While I'm all for Sweep's idea of a community tab, I'm completely against community content being held in the same regard as the staff's on the front page.

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my small opinion: There should be a community ran portion of the site, the staff should create the layout and allow two or three well trusted people to control what's highlighted etc.... I would be stoked for that.

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@Majkiboy:  It's here
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So as a moderator I feel like I have to tip-toe over this thread, but I'm just going to express my honest opinion here, it seems everyone else has and that is fine (for the most part anyway). 
 
I enjoy seeing the contributions the community is making to this website. I focus primarily on wiki so you could say I see a lot of your submissions. I had a large wiki motivation early with the website, but I think it was more because I liked getting points, and wanted to have live edit privileges as soon as possible, like getting 1000 gamerscore or something. Anyway. The reason why I migrated to this website, and why I'm still here today, has little to do with community contributions, or me being a moderator at all. I like the content the staff puts out. I like the quick looks, the video features, and the bombcast. I don't even read reviews, not even the staff reviews. I don't care. Having a video game database readily available at your finger tips is also handy when you're trying to look things up. 
 
The only community-related thing I do other than moderate wiki submissions and the occasional forum post, is post on the Street Fighter IV forums. That is really my only sense of community for this website, and I enjoy my time spent there quite a bit. I'd like to say I'm well-known for my Street Fighter contributions, at least on this website -- and feel a sense of ownership there. So while I don't really digest the community contributions the same way a lot of the users do, I get the sense of unity, that we are all Giant Bomb, thanks to that subset of forums. So I can see why people are very passionate about being a "part" of Giantbomb, albeit overly defensive sometimes.  
 
The staff cares about your feedback, the staff cares about the community (moderators too!). They are always thinking of better ways to integrate these things into the system, and your opinions are important here. Maybe I won't ever view your content, and maybe some other users feel the same way -- but that's not saying it doesn't matter, that's not saying you as users weren't a fundamental building block in this giant bomb of a website. We are listening. 
 
That said, people blogging about leaving a website, getting all emo and junk? That I just can't understand. CMON, IT'S A WEBSITE, ABOUT VIDEO GAMES. It's not like you're moving 3000 miles away from the website, the internet is always right in front of your face, no matter how far away you're moving. 
 
edit: should have picked the renegade option, would have gotten sweet glowing face scars.

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This post made me feel a bit ashamed, I'm mostly only reading and occasionally commenting :P
 
Btw, how do i find that "Making a Brad" list?

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@kmdrkul said:
" @TheHT said:
" @kmdrkul said:
" I didn't read this entire topic (I have the time, just not the patience...) but I am going to just blindly throw out some thoughts:  1.  The community is at it's best when NOBODY IS SUGGESTING ANYTHING NEW.  A week ago we were all having lots of fun in that community drawing thread, and all in all the "seas were calm" as they say.  The second anyone cries foul and says something is wrong... is when things actually start going wrong.  2.  There are users on this site in it for the popularity contest of it all, consistently posting rehashed drivel and quoting other posts without providing additional commentary, and then there are users who actually seem to care about the goodwill of this little community.  Unfortunately, the majority of the users on this site are part of the first group.  I suggest we round them all up, ban their IP addresses, and then laugh it all off.  But that's just me.  3.  Hypocritical users are hypocritical.   ALSO:  I think we should start banning people based off principal alone.  Who cares if they didn't explicitly break any rules; if the whole community thinks you are a piece of shit, then you should be banished. "
Hopefully you'll never be in a position of meaningful power else you'd banish everyone on a whim. "
I'd also make sure there are purposeful technical flaws in the system to not allow me to unban anyone, just for the hell of it :P "
But then you may end up all alone! Which could actually be a good thing, for a while at least.
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The Giantbomb community is great for all you guys that get really into but I don't want it force fed down my throat if some guys review obstructs me from seeing a new Quicklook then no thanks. For me the forums are just a good way to keep me busy until the next editorial content, breaking video game news that the duders haven't talked about or just reading off topic photoshopped brilliance. I dunno seems like you guys should have a community tab or whatever as long as it doesn't get between me and finding the secret indentity of luchadeer. (My guess is Drew)

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After just taking a look at the comments of a video Lordofultima made on EventHubs I can safely say this forum is alot more pleasureable to read and comment in. Not that it's perfect, though. Far from it. It's just it could be far far worse.

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@TheHT said:
" @kmdrkul said:
" I didn't read this entire topic (I have the time, just not the patience...) but I am going to just blindly throw out some thoughts:  1.  The community is at it's best when NOBODY IS SUGGESTING ANYTHING NEW.  A week ago we were all having lots of fun in that community drawing thread, and all in all the "seas were calm" as they say.  The second anyone cries foul and says something is wrong... is when things actually start going wrong.  2.  There are users on this site in it for the popularity contest of it all, consistently posting rehashed drivel and quoting other posts without providing additional commentary, and then there are users who actually seem to care about the goodwill of this little community.  Unfortunately, the majority of the users on this site are part of the first group.  I suggest we round them all up, ban their IP addresses, and then laugh it all off.  But that's just me.  3.  Hypocritical users are hypocritical.   ALSO:  I think we should start banning people based off principal alone.  Who cares if they didn't explicitly break any rules; if the whole community thinks you are a piece of shit, then you should be banished. "
Hopefully you'll never be in a position of meaningful power else you'd banish everyone on a whim. "
I'd also make sure there are purposeful technical flaws in the system to not allow me to unban anyone, just for the hell of it :P
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@kmdrkul said:
" I didn't read this entire topic (I have the time, just not the patience...) but I am going to just blindly throw out some thoughts:  1.  The community is at it's best when NOBODY IS SUGGESTING ANYTHING NEW.  A week ago we were all having lots of fun in that community drawing thread, and all in all the "seas were calm" as they say.  The second anyone cries foul and says something is wrong... is when things actually start going wrong.  2.  There are users on this site in it for the popularity contest of it all, consistently posting rehashed drivel and quoting other posts without providing additional commentary, and then there are users who actually seem to care about the goodwill of this little community.  Unfortunately, the majority of the users on this site are part of the first group.  I suggest we round them all up, ban their IP addresses, and then laugh it all off.  But that's just me.  3.  Hypocritical users are hypocritical.   ALSO:  I think we should start banning people based off principal alone.  Who cares if they didn't explicitly break any rules; if the whole community thinks you are a piece of shit, then you should be banished. "
Hopefully you'll never be in a position of meaningful power else you'd banish everyone on a whim.
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I just think we shoul BLAT BLAT BLAT BLAT BLAT

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I didn't read this entire topic (I have the time, just not the patience...) but I am going to just blindly throw out some thoughts:
 
1.  The community is at it's best when NOBODY IS SUGGESTING ANYTHING NEW.  A week ago we were all having lots of fun in that community drawing thread, and all in all the "seas were calm" as they say.  The second anyone cries foul and says something is wrong... is when things actually start going wrong.
 
2.  There are users on this site in it for the popularity contest of it all, consistently posting rehashed drivel and quoting other posts without providing additional commentary, and then there are users who actually seem to care about the goodwill of this little community.  Unfortunately, the majority of the users on this site are part of the first group.  I suggest we round them all up, ban their IP addresses, and then laugh it all off.  But that's just me.
 
3.  Hypocritical users are hypocritical.
 
 
ALSO:  I think we should start banning people based off principal alone.  Who cares if they didn't explicitly break any rules; if the whole community thinks you are a piece of shit, then you should be banished.

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I don't see what's wrong with giving the community a bigger presence. The fact that this site is basically a wiki and that any user can create a lot of content sort of indicates that it is community-centric. Sure the editorial staff is likely the draw for most people, but that shouldn't overshadow user involvement.

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@mrcool11 said:
" @Cube said:
" Honestly I am pretty tired of this crowd on Giant Bomb who act like they are community idols. Nobody gives a shit about you...sweet you guys talk in the IRC and make podcasts but the truth is that you're all so self-important and dramatic you guys come off as Jr. High kids.   Example: AjayRaz.   Seriously. WHO. GIVES. A. SHIT. You will NOT die because some Ayane loving kid lost their internet. And the whole SuperMooseman thing. OMG THE COVER UP HURF HURF DURRRR.   Sure there are people I follow on this site. But there's only one person who even messages me and isn't totally douchey and internet-dramatic. Bleh. "
aaaawwww. you made a friend :) "  
  
  It's not because of the irc or podcasts, it's because they don't post utter shit
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@crunchUK said:
" @Jensonb said:
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Never in all my time on the internet have I ever seen a Community create so much amazing content, so fast, in such a broad array of media as right here at Giant Bomb."
Forza... by a long shot.  Anyway, as i was saying to RH in a PM giantbomb just isn't what it used to be. It's a bit like how gamespot was epic but then somewhere along the line it became fail... "
Firstly of course his statement was ridiculous there have been lots of examples of awesome communities.  Secondly all online places rise and fall, just like anything else.  I think GB is doing fine if people think things have gone down the drain there are plenty of other places to flock to, just like how people moved on from gamespot, the wheel of time will continue.
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@Jensonb said:
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Never in all my time on the internet have I ever seen a Community create so much amazing content, so fast, in such a broad array of media as right here at Giant Bomb."
Forza... by a long shot. 
 
Anyway, as i was saying to RH in a PM giantbomb just isn't what it used to be. It's a bit like how gamespot was epic but then somewhere along the line it became fail...
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@TurboMan: I love those videos man. You, sir, are a living legend :D
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I was just browsing around and found my name in here with the burger reviews... thanks... maybe I should start doing those again.... hmmm

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lol wtf is all this shit
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As someone who has been on the front page of Giant Bomb in the past (which led to some employment opportunities and some professional sounding resume filler), I have to say I don't mind either way. It would be nice to have some more community action on the front page, but the problem with the Giant Bomb community is that it is segmented. Some come for the editorials, some come for the videos, some come for the forums, some for the wiki, some people just listen to the Bombcast because they came here from the APD days and that's all they're interested in. I don't think any one segment of the community is more important than the other as they all contribute to keeping this site alive and providing people with means to show their talent and passion as well as having entertaining editorial space.
 
On a more business-like note, anything making the front page has to be timely, and a lot of the great things the community do are definitely not. Can a website looking for hits afford to put some nutters 10 page dossier on Space Pirates on the front page? Or their sublime review of Duck Hunt? The community can do some great things, but how much of it do front-page-goers really care about? And why aren't the people interested in that sorta stuff on the forums caring it up with the community spotlight? The top viewed wiki pages and forums on the site back in the day were always obscure, untimely, hamburgers, or random females and female characters. By force of numbers, it showed the majority of the community would rather look up pics of Gemma Atkinson and Sakuya Izayoi on the site than they would check out information on Master Chief and Mario. I mean, really...   In any case, timely things like quality reviews and great guides ARE celebrated on the front page, and there's much more a chance that people will be interested in that stuff, so it makes sense. 
 
I would like to see something added to the new releases bar on the front page though. Another, perhaps text-only or scrollable like the headlines pane, line underneath it of recent releases dating back maybe a month or so, with a link to community reviews for them. Many games that show up on the new releases never get an editorial review, and it would be helpful for people to at least get some insight on what other gamers think of a game in the absence of an editorial review.

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@Binman88 said:
" @Jensonb said:

"Giant Bomb Community Content is as important as Editorial,

   No, it's not.

@Jensonb said:

"and the two should be integrated to give Community Content the same prestige as Editorial,

  No, they shouldn't.

@Jensonb said:

"which it deserves."

  No, it doesn't. "
Nailed it.
 
A decent Community Content tab is fine, but I don't need it plastered all over the front page.  Personally, I'd be happy to lose about 50% of the stuff on the front page as it is. 
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No offense, never read a well written wiki made by a forum poster.

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Ah, another one of these topics. Every growing video game website seems to go through this. 
 
Bottom line is this. We are all guests here at Giantbomb. You come here on your own free will and you are not entitled to anything no matter how you look at it. I think it's great when community members make suggestions. Maybe the staff will listen to your ideas, maybe they won't. I don't care. If they don't listen to your ideas please don't become one of those whiny, self-important assholes who feel they are owed something by the staff. You just end up looking like a fool and your melodrama is unnecessary.

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@ZombiePie said:
" Well I've finally decided to comment on these threads about the community, and I'll just copy and paste what I said in Sweep's blog."
 
Some of us certainly appreciate you keeping updates on community happenings.  I know when I ran my Forza 3 Contest it was nice to see some people get involved and have the contest show up where more could see it.  I put a lot of time and effort into making the prize car I was giving out, and really theres no gain in it whatsoever.  I just did it because it expanded my time with the game and I had some fun with it.  The same way a lot of community creations get started.  
 
I don't watch the QotW answers, because there's a small pool of people doing them and I only occasionally find them funny.  Like everything else community related, I simply find what I want to find, and ignore what I don't enjoy as much.  I don't find the need to berate people for their creations, makes no real difference anyhow to my enjoyment of the site.   A community page as a secondary tab would be just fine.  :) 
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@Noxpectus said:
" I've been following Jeff since his Achievement vids on Gamespot, thats why I came over here, well, ever since they started up Arrow Pointing Down. Sure, I read some game reviews, and enjoy some trivia, like how many games have Castles in them.  But its just a website, and I do think the moment you spend all of your free time posting, or making weekly videos....you've kinda gone a bit to far. Hell, you've become free labour to the payed GiantBomb staff.  Editorial content should always be the number One attraction to a website, but from I'm reading here most are just present because they are fans of the staff. Which does make me wonder, if, lets say Jeff, can get a great paying job somewhere else, and he leaves, how much of this so called tight community will go with him. Making the whole thing fall apart.  I do want to point out that  I'm not a community kind a guy here, so I might be mistaken, this stuff is just from what I have read here and there. Regardless, its a Great site, and I hope to continue enjoying it for many years. "
yeah if jeff or the whole staff goes there is no giantbomb anymore. Jeff and the whole staff left gamespot and guess what no cares about gamespot anymore.
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I've been following Jeff since his Achievement vids on Gamespot, thats why I came over here, well, ever since they started up Arrow Pointing Down. Sure, I read some game reviews, and enjoy some trivia, like how many games have Castles in them.  But its just a website, and I do think the moment you spend all of your free time posting, or making weekly videos....you've kinda gone a bit to far. Hell, you've become free labour to the payed GiantBomb staff. 
Editorial content should always be the number One attraction to a website, but from I'm reading here, most are just present because they are fans of the staff. Which does make me wonder, if, lets say Jeff, can get a great paying job somewhere else, and he leaves, how much of this so called tight community will go with him. Making the whole thing fall apart.
 I do want to point out that  I'm not a community kind a guy here, so I might be mistaken, this stuff is just from what I have read here and there. Regardless, its a Great site, and I hope to continue enjoying it for many years.

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BLAT BLAT BLAT BLAT

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Can you put your skills to good use instead of writing essays on how you dont feel loved?

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@nail1080 said:

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I don't really know what the topic creator wants or what the actual point of this topic is so.... 
 
  

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I love that song :D
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I don't really know what the topic creator wants or what the actual point of this topic is so.... 
 
  
  
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@Cube said:

" It's just a website...  Also GB's community isn't all that great. "

Afraid ill have to agree in a small way here ...Mainly becuase of the self important users who feel that having new members coming to the site is a bad thing . That is  just stupid
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@Binman88 said:
" @Milkman said:
" @Jensonb said:
" @trophyhunter: Wrong, I don't recall saying anything about replacing Editorial. i said it should be up there with editorial. "
No, it shouldn't. Give the community its own page. But not on the front page. If it was on the front page, it would just drive new viewers away. "
I agree with this. After reading the featured review for MAG at the bottom of the main page - I think the bottom of the page is exactly where it should stay. All credit to the community for writing reviews and sharing them with us on the site, but reviews full of poor grammar and spelling have no place alongside the professional editorial content of the staff. It would do a disservice to the site to have that stuff front and centre on Giant Bomb. "
agreed