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So you wanna take a creative writing course...

Hello world. I am going to come off as a grouchy intolerant asshole, once again, but given the migraine I have right now, it's to be expected. I am in the process of reading and critiquing a set of creative writing submissions for one of my online classes. This is not my first class,  just an additional one, and while I am by no means an expert, I do have some experience in this matter. So to anyone out there who may be in a similar course this semester, or feel like taking one, or just write for funsies, I have some helpful advise.
 

  1. Spell-check. Proof read, then spell-check again. Then do some more proof reading. You know, catch  those your/you're affect/effect kind of things. Makes everyone else's life a little easier, and lets them focus on thematic and mechanics, and singing your praises as an author.
  2. No one likes Manic Pixie Dream Girls. If you write the phrase "... had never met anyone like her before", I will smack you on the nose with a newspaper. Let that character trope die a painful death, please. Every story I've read so far this semester has had one. It is a crutch writers use when they can't write an interesting or endearing normal character, nor figure out how to have their main character grow as a person without being dragged out of their boring old stuffed shirts without some crazy bitch.
  3. If your story is not set in a generic current day setting, give me a fucking time stamp. And if you flash back, and/or flash forward, give some context clues as to what the hell is happening, and when.
  4. Keep the POV of down to only one main character if possible. I just finished reading a story that had 3 main characters that the narrative followed, and would occasionally have them occasionally recollect an additional character.  Confusing as hell.
  5. Maintain a sense of past or present tense. This is a tricky one. Are we the audience viewing the story as it unfolds Live in front of a studio audience, or are we looking back upon the events after dust has all settled? Or are you book-ending your back-story with present day events in the initial and ending chapters?  Just pick on, and try to maintain it throughout. Actually if 98% of the story is flashback, consider removing that part, and writing it chronologically without the cold opens, and time jumps.
  6. Show. Don't tell. Nobody likes long, tedious exposition for the sake of long, tedious exposition. 
  7. Don't try to be a cartographer, tour guide, ichthyologist, or Dan Brown. Long winded, overly detailed, yet error filled exposition about too much of anything is a pain in the ass. I don't care that you know Manhattan like the back of hand, just tell me they went from A to B, not each and every street and corner they go on. But don't make up a whole bunch of shit either. Most good detail questions can be answered with a simple Google search, or even a post on a Forum.
  8. Fuck Chekhov, and the guns he rode in on.
  9. ETA: If you are on a fucking Mac, please be considerate enough to your classmates to correctly save your files. I have had to add ".rtf" to 3 papers this week to be able to properly open them, and it is really annoying. Several fellow students just write comments about how they can't download or open the files, and it screws the whole feedback system up. Jerks.
  10.   hack745 adds: "Also, people need to write endings according to their characters, not because they want the story to end a certain way. I can't even begin to tell you about the amateur stories I've read that were totally ruined by the predictable and cliche ending they tacked on.  Oh yeah, and, "...it was all a dream," was never a good ending. Stop. Fucking. Using. It. "
     
 
Rant over. Feel free to post your own additional hints, vent about similar annoyances, or just remind what a Prick I am.
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Hello world. I am going to come off as a grouchy intolerant asshole, once again, but given the migraine I have right now, it's to be expected. I am in the process of reading and critiquing a set of creative writing submissions for one of my online classes. This is not my first class,  just an additional one, and while I am by no means an expert, I do have some experience in this matter. So to anyone out there who may be in a similar course this semester, or feel like taking one, or just write for funsies, I have some helpful advise.
 

  1. Spell-check. Proof read, then spell-check again. Then do some more proof reading. You know, catch  those your/you're affect/effect kind of things. Makes everyone else's life a little easier, and lets them focus on thematic and mechanics, and singing your praises as an author.
  2. No one likes Manic Pixie Dream Girls. If you write the phrase "... had never met anyone like her before", I will smack you on the nose with a newspaper. Let that character trope die a painful death, please. Every story I've read so far this semester has had one. It is a crutch writers use when they can't write an interesting or endearing normal character, nor figure out how to have their main character grow as a person without being dragged out of their boring old stuffed shirts without some crazy bitch.
  3. If your story is not set in a generic current day setting, give me a fucking time stamp. And if you flash back, and/or flash forward, give some context clues as to what the hell is happening, and when.
  4. Keep the POV of down to only one main character if possible. I just finished reading a story that had 3 main characters that the narrative followed, and would occasionally have them occasionally recollect an additional character.  Confusing as hell.
  5. Maintain a sense of past or present tense. This is a tricky one. Are we the audience viewing the story as it unfolds Live in front of a studio audience, or are we looking back upon the events after dust has all settled? Or are you book-ending your back-story with present day events in the initial and ending chapters?  Just pick on, and try to maintain it throughout. Actually if 98% of the story is flashback, consider removing that part, and writing it chronologically without the cold opens, and time jumps.
  6. Show. Don't tell. Nobody likes long, tedious exposition for the sake of long, tedious exposition. 
  7. Don't try to be a cartographer, tour guide, ichthyologist, or Dan Brown. Long winded, overly detailed, yet error filled exposition about too much of anything is a pain in the ass. I don't care that you know Manhattan like the back of hand, just tell me they went from A to B, not each and every street and corner they go on. But don't make up a whole bunch of shit either. Most good detail questions can be answered with a simple Google search, or even a post on a Forum.
  8. Fuck Chekhov, and the guns he rode in on.
  9. ETA: If you are on a fucking Mac, please be considerate enough to your classmates to correctly save your files. I have had to add ".rtf" to 3 papers this week to be able to properly open them, and it is really annoying. Several fellow students just write comments about how they can't download or open the files, and it screws the whole feedback system up. Jerks.
  10.   hack745 adds: "Also, people need to write endings according to their characters, not because they want the story to end a certain way. I can't even begin to tell you about the amateur stories I've read that were totally ruined by the predictable and cliche ending they tacked on.  Oh yeah, and, "...it was all a dream," was never a good ending. Stop. Fucking. Using. It. "
     
 
Rant over. Feel free to post your own additional hints, vent about similar annoyances, or just remind what a Prick I am.
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once their was a boy, he met a gril, he had never seen a girl like her befor.  I looked at him.  I looked at her, we both though.  Than they both got grabbed their muscet rifles, and got in their spaceship to fly to there acounting class at shcool.

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@ArchScabby said:

" once their was a boy, he met a gril, he had never seen a girl like her befor.  I looked at him.  I looked at her, we both though.  Than they both got grabbed their muscet rifles, and got in their spaceship to fly to there acounting class at shcool. "

That scarily reminds me of the story told by the old woman in the beginning of Inland Empire. 
 
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Should I blame Chekov?
 
So young, much was meant from him. Did he not try?
 

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I almost majored in creative writing but I opted for English instead. Still, nice list. I'd hate to have to slog through as much crap as you do, though.

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@Everyones_A_Critic said:
" I almost majored in creative writing but I opted for English instead. Still, nice list. I'd hate to have to slog through as much crap as you do, though. "
At this point I have more Creative writing credits that Lit or English, so I might as well just pretend its my Major. As if my BA wasn't going to be useless enough as it is. 
I also had the horrifying realization that there is a good chance I'll end up doing this for a living. Time for a drink.
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@Mrnitropb said: 
  1. Show. Don't tell. Nobody likes long, tedious exposition for the sake of long, tedious exposition. 
This. So much this. 
 
Also, people need to write endings according to their characters, not because they want the story to end a certain way. I can't even begin to tell you about the amateur stories I've read that were totally ruined by the predictable and cliche ending they tacked on. 
 
Oh yeah, and, "...it was all a dream," was never a good ending. Stop. Fucking. Using. It.
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@Mrnitropb said:
"I also had the horrifying realization that there is a good chance I'll end up doing this for a living. "
If you mean as a teacher, yes, that sounds horrifying.  Otherwise, good luck getting to do this for a living.  I'm a recent English - Writing grad and I can't get a job in that field for anything.  I'm either going to resign myself to teaching or go to Law School and make some actual money.
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@hack745: Thanks, knew I was missing one.
 
@Wrighteous86:
i see myself getting stuck teaching at community college, if I can't pull off the whole wonderfully-mediocre-full-of-boobs-and-explosions Airport Novel I've got in mind. 
Word of warning, I know more unemployed law school grads than LA grads. And the ones who are working, are working $30K clerkships that are usually for students and interns, not Bar'd attorneys. Which is great when you have $55k or more in student loans.
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I wouldn't say "Fuck Chekov" so much as "Don't use that shit all the fucking time." Call backs can be great if handled well but stupid in any other case. Shaun of the Dead did it well by making off handed jokes about it early on and referring to those jokes later on to help the audience recall the rifle so it didn't feel like an ass pull. 
  

Oh yeah, and, "...it was all a dream," was never a good ending. Stop. Fucking. Using. It.  


 Again, for the most part, yeah but in some cases that kind of twist and variations there of have been pulled off pretty well (see: Fight Club.) I'd say the better advice would be: Don't assume you're good enough to pull that shit off when even most experienced writers can't. 
 
Edit: As for advice: Time lines can be useful. Make lots if you're going to be doing things out of order. Make a linear overall time line that covers the whole plot, one for how you're going to portray things and maybe do the same for the major characters. This should help you keep on top of the plot if nothing else.
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@Mrnitropb said:
If your story is not set in a generic current day setting, give me a fucking time stamp.
Disagree with that one.
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Good pointers. Thanks!

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In response to #8: Well then a hearty fuck you to you sir.

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@ArchScabby said:
" once their was a boy, he met a gril, he had never seen a girl like her befor.  I looked at him.  I looked at her, we both though.  Than they both got grabbed their muscet rifles, and got in their spaceship to fly to there acounting class at shcool. "
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
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@Mrnitropb said:
" Oh yeah, and, "...it was all a dream," was never a good ending. Stop. Fucking. Using. It. " "
Well, it worked for Inception.
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@Diamond said:
" @Mrnitropb said:
If your story is not set in a generic current day setting, give me a fucking time stamp.
Disagree with that one. "
Meh. If you happen to include a bunch of contextual details and clues about your time period, like characters in leg warmers, walking past a boombox blasting "I think We're Alone Now", then sure I can guess your story is in the 80's. Like a couple of other bits, this is really down to the skill of the writer. I included in a response this week that something hadn't been popular since like 1986, and how that was odd that the character would be using it. The author got very confused, and said, "well it IS 1986. " No where was this made clear, and it really changed some of the synamic of the story. 
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Someone writes for the school paper who is a creative writing major. They're neither creative or well written.

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Who's Chekhov, and why do you hate him so? And what do you mean by that ending thing? Examples?

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well good list. i don't like to write and i did bad in my english classes in college so i don't like to write to much about stuff. the internet is different. there is no you can't type like this on the internet.

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@Video_Game_King: He was that Russian guy on Star Trek who operated the guns. he probably killed  Mrnitropd's family.
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@Popogeejo: 
 
I still don't get what that has to do with creative writing.
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@Video_Game_King: he has nothing to do with creative writing but emotional trauma picks weird times to manifest itself.
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@Mrnitropb:  Definitely, a good writer can get away with these things.  The people that can't grasp those concepts should stop trying (no offense to people who will never 'get it').
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@Video_Game_King said:

" @Popogeejo:   I still don't get what that has to do with creative writing. "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anton_Chekhov  
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chekhov's_gun 
 
Chekhov is one of the great writers in Russian literature. Chekhov's gun is a pattern that were noticed in his stories, whereby an object is introduced early on, but does not have its significance revealed until the end of the story. The term's also used in some writing classes / critique groups as a way of stating that one should not include unnecessary, irrelevant details in one's stories.
 
Or, in other words, "If in Act I you have a pistol hanging on the wall, then it must fire in the last act."
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@Video_Game_King:  Chekhov's gun is a very old literary idiom that if you write about a gun on the wall in chapter 1, it absolutely must have gone off by chapter 3, or else don't include it. Like all other tropes, when handled well it can be great.  In the hands of a hack, it is groan inducing. 
 
As for the endings, it like when your main character's new wife, suddenly dies of an aneurysm, just becasue.  
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@jukezypoo: 
 
Why didn't you guys call it, "The JRPG Rule of Useless Items?" I can name tons of those. Lucia's thing from Eternal Blue, Aeris' Materia, Neku's extra pin, Lucas' Courage Badge, etc.
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@Mrnitropb: 
 
Notice how I ripped some examples from that because I'm lazy. Also, this.
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@Video_Game_King: bastard
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Bright monitors don't help migraines. 

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Just out of curiosity, how many writing samples do you get that are actually good? Like, what's the good to bad ratio on these things?

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@yousuck137: I have my brightness turned down pretty low.
@MarkWahlberg said:
" Just out of curiosity, how many writing samples do you get that are actually good? Like, what's the good to bad ratio on these things? "

I have had some really great stories by some really talented writers I've workshopped with. And I have had some that are mind boggling retarded. It's usually about 1/4. Sometimes its just not having the right grasp of mechanics yet, and those can be learned, and stories adjusted and massaged into goodness. And some people are just hacks who should have been pat on the head and given a cookie for just spelling their name right. (swear to God, Cole Stevens misspelled his name on a story once).