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    Fallout: New Vegas

    Game » consists of 25 releases. Released Oct 19, 2010

    The post-apocalyptic Fallout universe expands into Nevada in this new title in the franchise. As a courier once left for dead by a mysterious man in a striped suit, the player must now set out to find their assailant and uncover the secrets of the enigmatic ruler of New Vegas.

    Vinnie's cheating and Jeff's complaining. Is it justified?

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    #1  Edited By Lind_L_Taylor

    Heard the latest podcast.  I don't know 
    why bashing Fallout: New Vegas gave 
    any justification for Vinnie cheating at the
    game. I played the game for 15 hours so
    far & I haven't had it crash once!  The only 
    problem I did encounter was where the 
    character gets stuck in an inclined plane 
    (such as a bus on a 45-degree angle) & then
    can't move from the spot. Sol'n is to reload
    a previous save.  I had this same issue with
    Fallout 3.

    Vinnie, here is a tip on making the
    game a bit easier. When you level up,
    put your whole 12-15 points into one
    skill that seemed most recently important
    & don't dabble it around to the others.
    I've found that to work better. I did
    notice that some dialog options offered
    2 different ways to achieve the same system. 
    However, if something required a high 
    Science or Lockpick, then write it down on
    a notepad & come back to it later when 
    you've skilled-up.

    That thing that Jeff said about Factions
    & how "early on he had to pick a side".
    Well I think that is TOTALLY WRONG.

    Here is a hint on how to get around that.
    Let's say you go up & attack a faction,
    now you are hated & have picked sides.
    However, if one of your NPC lackeys
    hates that faction & attacks first, it
    doesn't count against YOUR VIEW OF THE
    FACTION!  I found this out by testing
    the mission where you need to save a
    couple of captured prisoners. The lackey
    attacked first & I wasn't given a faction
    penalty.

    So no, Jeff, you do not have to pick
    a side early on. The game is clearly
    intelligent enough to make that distinction, 
    though it isn't explained in the rules.
    Thought I'd pass that observation on.

    Overall, I'm amazed at how much more
    improved the game is. There were other
    little cheats I found that don't work
    in the game. For instance, you can't just
    suck on stimpaks constantly. The game
    will give you an ability penalty (stim
    sickness). And that isn't in hardcore
    mode. Combat is harder & requires more
    maintenance/repairs, but there isn't a
    shortage of repair locations. Radiation can be
    a pain but at the start of the game you
    get a doctor's location. I've used the chems
    & have not got an addiction, perhaps they
    moved that to hardcore.

    One time, I wandered the wasteland & watched
    two sides duke it out with neither attacking
    me. Later on, I stopped at a location & spoke
    to someone about one of the sides. They said
    their team was "out on patrol". I laughed
    out loud realizing the guy doesn't even know
    they're all dead yet, though I didn't get a
    chance to tell him as there wasn't a
    dialogue for it.

    I also noticed that those missions where you
    have to ask around to figure out a mystery
    was more stable than in previous RPGs I've
    played where mysteries are usually glitchy 
    or a chore.

    It's an excellent game. Fallout: New Vegas,
    is what I'd call Advanced Fallout 3. They
    just fleshed it out, giving more options to
    craft stuff, added more penalties to produce
    better challenges, more detailed quests
    & seems stable enough after the patch update
    (released about a week after the game came
    out).

    I'm sure there must be something I haven't
    encountered yet since I see other threads
    making statements about game breaks, but
    I don't want to read spoilers just yet either.
    Anyway, the above is just reflections based
    on my experience with game.  No need to get
    all flamey about it.

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    #2  Edited By Muttinus_Rump

    I just read that like a poem.
     
    EDIT: Also, no.

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    #3  Edited By zegolf

    What's up with your formatting?

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    #4  Edited By christ0phe

    Oh fuck you, Vinny can play the game however he wants and Jeff can say whatever he wants  It's not hurting you, so quit fucking complaining.

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    #5  Edited By Mr_Skeleton

    What is wrong with people why do you care how does he plays the game he bought, it is not affecting anyone else ffs.

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    #6  Edited By dbz1995
    @Muttinus_Rump said:
    " I just read that like a poem. "
    Exactly that, sir.
    The poetic formatting 
    Is rather madness.
     
    Topic-Related:
    If it does not affect man
    Other than oneself.
     
    That's acceptable
    For then you are not harming
    Anyone at all.
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    #7  Edited By JoeyIA
    @zegolf said:
    " What's up with your formatting? "
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    #8  Edited By DeeGee

    @ christ0phe I could not agree more with you on this. 
     
    If you spent the time it took you to write all of that playing New Vegas, you might be as having as much fun as Vinnie :D

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    #9  Edited By Grissefar

    Please get out of here, sir. We don't need you or this discussion here. Thank you.

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    #10  Edited By MattyFTM  Moderator

    Let Vinny play it any way he likes. He enjoys playing it by cheating, and that's fine. You would rather not cheat, and that's fine too. Play it how you want and let other people play it how they want.
     
    Also, Jeff didn't say that you have to pick sides early on, but earlier than he would have liked. There is a point in the game where you do have to pick one side, and that cancels all of the missions on the other factions, and that came sooner than Jeff would have liked.

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    #11  Edited By DeeGee

    Also, I was fully expecting that halfway through his post, he was going to break out into the Fresh Prince of Bel-Air theme song.

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    #12  Edited By Lind_L_Taylor

     
     
    Look at all that hate. Man!
     
    I don't care if Vinnie cheats. But Jeff brought up
    game-breaking as the excuse for him to do it in the
    podcast. I gotta call nonsense on that.
     
    I wasn't like trying to bash Vinnie by saying something
    like:  
     
    "I would prefer even to fail with honor than to win by cheating." 
     
    LOL.

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    #13  Edited By tumes

    It delights me that the guy saying Vinny is using the game's systems wrong pretty obviously doesn't know how to use the commenting system to format readable text.

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    @christ0phe said:
    " Oh fuck you, Vinny can play the game however he wants and Jeff can say whatever he wants  It's not hurting you, so quit fucking complaining. "
    This, but in a more polite way, also
    @zegolf said:
    " What's up with your formatting? "
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    #15  Edited By lawlerballer

    cool poem bro

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    @Lind_L_Taylor said:
    "   Look at all that hate. Man!  I don't care if Vinnie cheats. But Jeff brought up game-breaking as the excuse for him to do it in the podcast. I gotta call nonsense on that.  I wasn't like trying to bash Vinnie by saying something like:    "I would prefer even to fail with honor than to win by cheating."   LOL. "
    its not a multi player game, so cheating doesn't really effect anyone, and isn't really classified as "cheating". It is a system the developers put in there for the gamer to use. It's not even like he is using a glitch either. He isn't breaking the game in any way.  
     
    You can look at it as an "easy mode". There is hardcore mode right? The devs put that in for anyone to use. Well they also put in an easy mode for those who want it.
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    #17  Edited By Cornman89

    It's a single player game. Vinny isn't reviewing it. There is literally no reason why he shouldn't play however he wants.

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    #18  Edited By Jadeskye

    OH NO JEFF DOESN'T LIKE THIS PART OF THE GAME! THIS MAKES ME ENJOY IT LESS! 
       
    ALSO VINNY YOU'RE A CHEATER!

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    #19  Edited By HandsomeDead
       
    'it was justified.'
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    #20  Edited By Lemoncookie01

    Please for gods
    sake learn to not
    use the enter 
    button so much.

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    #21  Edited By NinjaHunter

    The game is broken. People should be complaining about that rather than about how someone decides to play the game. Now I don't play PC games so I don't know anything about console commands but isn't it possible to lock people out of doing stuff like this?

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    #22  Edited By bwmcmaste
    @DeeGee said:
    " Also, I was fully expecting that halfway through his post, he was going to break out into the Fresh Prince of Bel-Air theme song. "
    Indeed.
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    #23  Edited By oatz

    No offense, but you type like a retard.

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    #24  Edited By Lukeweizer

    So... this thread boils down to...
     
    FUCK PEOPLE WHO HAVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS THAN ME! I'M ALWAYS RIGHT!
     
    Go figure.

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    #25  Edited By Mrskidders

    They can do what they want, get the fuck out of here.

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    #26  Edited By LordAndrew

    It's fine in single player
    If that's what he wants
    He does not have to play
    By the developer's rules
    Especially when the game
    Includes a console that allows it

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    #27  Edited By mazik765
    @Lind_L_Taylor:  If he experiences game breaking issues and cheating alleviates those issues, then why not? Just because you didn't experience the same issues, doesn't mean they don't exist.
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    #28  Edited By solidlife

    I seriously Dont get this WoW "elitist"  syndrome why does someone else actions effect YOUR enjoyment of the game. 
    I find it really Gay its like carrying about what another person does in his free time with his dick. Worry about your dick 

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    #29  Edited By DeeGee
    @LordAndrew:  I totally sang your post as I read it.
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    #30  Edited By Jayzilla

    It's not cheating. It's a dev console that you enter commands into. He bought the game and it is single-player so why do you care? Maybe if they didn't ship a janky, broken game Vinnie wouldn't feel compelled to use the developer console to make the game actually, you know, playable?

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    #31  Edited By Lind_L_Taylor
    @arab_prince said:
    " @Lind_L_Taylor said:
    "   Look at all that hate. Man!  I don't care if Vinnie cheats. But Jeff brought up game-breaking as the excuse for him to do it in the podcast. I gotta call nonsense on that.  I wasn't like trying to bash Vinnie by saying something like:    "I would prefer even to fail with honor than to win by cheating."   LOL. "
    its not a multi player game, so cheating doesn't really effect anyone, and isn't really classified as "cheating". It is a system the developers put in there for the gamer to use. It's not even like he is using a glitch either. He isn't breaking the game in any way.   You can look at it as an "easy mode". There is hardcore mode right? The devs put that in for anyone to use. Well they also put in an easy mode for those who want it. "
    Actually I do believe there is even a Very Easy setting. I mean,
    wow. Why do you need a cheat code when you can mow it
    all down?  Another option, you could just read the spoilers in
    advance & just copy that & use Very Easy.  Honestly, to me
    cheating is boring & robs yourself of the experience. I'm not
    really doing a lot of Vinnie-bashing here, but why even bother
    to play it?
     
    What is up with all the comments about my columnar format?
    It should be easier to read as you're limiting your eye movement
    to a small section of space. :-P  I'm doing it to help you guys,
    dangit.
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    #32  Edited By audiosnag

    I made a thread about this (that got locked for some damn reason) but it was pretty much the opposite of this.
    Who cares how vinny plays it?? Its not a mp game and its not tied into a network. Let the man do what he wants.
    As for the jeff thing I haven't played the game so no comment.

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    #33  Edited By DeeGee

    "Honestly, to me
    cheating is boring & robs yourself of the experience. I'm not
    really doing a lot of Vinnie-bashing here, but why even bother
    to play it?  "
     
    Here is where you went wrong. You are not everyone in the world. : D

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    #34  Edited By drgrumbles
    @Lind_L_Taylor:  I agree with Jeff and Ryan... "Fuck you."
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    #35  Edited By Fenrisulfr
    @Lind_L_Taylor said: 
    Actually I do believe there is even a Very Easy setting. I mean, wow. Why do you need a cheat code when you can mow it all down?  Another option, you could just read the spoilers in advance & just copy that & use Very Easy.  Honestly, to me cheating is boring & robs yourself of the experience. I'm not really doing a lot of Vinnie-bashing here, but why even bother to play it?  What is up with all the comments about my columnar format? It should be easier to read as you're limiting your eye movement to a small section of space. :-P  I'm doing it to help you guys, dangit. "
     
    I think you're forgetting something: even in easy mode, a mile is still a mile and that mountain still requires a long ass trek around it.  Sometimes I wish the 360 version had some kind of cheats window so I could just get to where I wanted to go.  Roaming around in the desert is cool, and yeah, I really enjoyed that in fallout 3 as well, but sometimes, especially when I'm on a mission, I just want to get from point A, to B, and back to A again as fast as possible.
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    #36  Edited By Lind_L_Taylor
    @Jayzilla said:
    " It's not cheating. It's a dev console that you enter commands into. He bought the game and it is single-player so why do you care? Maybe if they didn't ship a janky, broken game Vinnie wouldn't feel compelled to use the developer console to make the game actually, you know, playable? "
     
    The game doesn't have any more or less jank than Fallout 3 had.
    Maybe he could have saved $50 by not even buying the game?
    I look at cheating & cheatcodes as something done after
    you beat the game, but that's just me.  Cheatcodes also
    help if you were trying to design a mission or module &
    you want to test keys, flags, etc to check for resolution. 
     
    It's just an inquiry. I'm not really bashing the heck out of 
    Vinnie that much. Although had he taken my advice above
    he  could have saved himself $50. :-)
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    @Lind_L_Taylor said:

    What is up with all the comments about my columnar format? It should be easier to read as you're limiting your eye movement to a small section of space. :-P  I'm doing it to help you guys, dangit. "

    It makes your posts sound like poems, it adds unnecessary stops mid-sentence.
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    #38  Edited By Lemoncookie01
    @jadeskye said:
    " OH NO JEFF DOESN'T LIKE THIS PART OF THE GAME! THIS MAKES ME ENJOY IT LESS! 
      


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    #39  Edited By DeeGee

    What are you on about, saving him $50? He ENJOYED the game.

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    #40  Edited By zegolf
    @Lind_L_Taylor said:
    What is up with all the comments about my columnar format? It should be easier to read as you're limiting your eye movement to a small section of space. :-P  I'm doing it to help you guys, dangit. "
    But we'll get eye fatigue faster because we have to drop to the next line sooner and more frequently.  PLUS, our feeble minds will get tired more quickly because we're trained to pause, ever so briefly, anytime a carriage return occurs.
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    #41  Edited By Ignor

    LET'S QUOTE EACH OTHER, POST IMAGE MACROS AND BUMB WHAT IS OTHERWISE A POINTLESS TOPIC!!!

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    #42  Edited By LordAndrew
    @Lind_L_Taylor said:

    " What is up with all the comments about my columnar format? It should be easier to read as you're limiting your eye movement to a small section of space. :-P  I'm doing it to help you guys, dangit. "

    Actually, if we wanted to do that, we could make all comments appear like that. At least there would be consistency then. But when you're the only person who does it, everyone else has to adjust to read your posts.
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    #43  Edited By Lind_L_Taylor
    @audiosnag said:
    " I made a thread about this (that got locked for some damn reason) but it was pretty much the opposite of this. Who cares how vinny plays it?? Its not a mp game and its not tied into a network. Let the man do what he wants. As for the jeff thing I haven't played the game so no comment. "
    Well it was just an observation. I thought there would be a post about
    this already myself.
     
    @DeeGee said:
    " "Honestly, to me cheating is boring & robs yourself of the experience. I'm not really doing a lot of Vinnie-bashing here, but why even bother to play it?  "  Here is where you went wrong. You are not everyone in the world. : D "

    Right. Everything I'm saying is my opinion. Sort of goes
    without saying though.
     
    @drgrumbles said:
    " @Lind_L_Taylor:  I agree with Jeff and Ryan... "Fuck you." "
    ?? Don't understand the hatin'.
     
    @Fenrisulfr said:
    " @Lind_L_Taylor said: 
    Actually I do believe there is even a Very Easy setting. I mean, wow. Why do you need a cheat code when you can mow it all down?  Another option, you could just read the spoilers in advance & just copy that & use Very Easy.  Honestly, to me cheating is boring & robs yourself of the experience. I'm not really doing a lot of Vinnie-bashing here, but why even bother to play it?  What is up with all the comments about my columnar format? It should be easier to read as you're limiting your eye movement to a small section of space. :-P  I'm doing it to help you guys, dangit. "
     I think you're forgetting something: even in easy mode, a mile is still a mile and that mountain still requires a long ass trek around it.  Sometimes I wish the 360 version had some kind of cheats window so I could just get to where I wanted to go.  Roaming around in the desert is cool, and yeah, I really enjoyed that in fallout 3 as well, but sometimes, especially when I'm on a mission, I just want to get from point A, to B, and back to A again as fast as possible. "

    Well you could roam to every mark on the map prior to starting
    your missions so you can fast track.  This is a rule of post-apocalyptic 
    environments.  I like it that way personally.  It focuses more on the
    survival aspects & not just some quick "I'm done on now on to the next
    game" type of mentality.
     
    @TheSeductiveMoose said:
    " @Lind_L_Taylor said:

    What is up with all the comments about my columnar format? It should be easier to read as you're limiting your eye movement to a small section of space. :-P  I'm doing it to help you guys, dangit. "

    It makes your posts sound like poems, it adds unnecessary stops mid-sentence. "

    GB shrinks the font size. It's actually a bit larger in my notepad (where
    I wrote it because sometimes GB's forums have a habit of freezing up
    where I lose what I was writing in its text box.  The size you are seeing
    is about how far I usually type before cutting off (about halfway on the
    margin).
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    #44  Edited By uberexplodey

    ...so says Mr. Stewart.

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    #45  Edited By foggel
    @Muttinus_Rump said:
    " I just read that like a poem.  EDIT: Also, no. "
    Haha I was about to type the exact same thing.
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    #46  Edited By invadernick

    I'm having a blast using the console to unlock doors and eliminate weight. Yay for PC!

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    #47  Edited By Bongos

    Well I just recently used the faction system to sneak into vault 3 with a great khan outfit to kill motor runner so it's not that bad.Hell you don't even need to pick sides, what about the yes man ending? Regarding vinny cheating well you can make a build or just cheat through the game if you want, who cares really if you're having fun.

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    #48  Edited By LiquidPrince

    Vinny.

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    #49  Edited By cstrang

    This has been said before, but I will say it again: Vinnie bought the game with his money, therefore you have no right to tell him how to play it.  And Jeff is a professional reviewer, he states his opinions for money.  It doesn't mean that you have to agree with him, or that he's always right.
     
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    COOL STORY, BROSKI

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    #50  Edited By christ0phe
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