Vinnie's cheating and Jeff's complaining. Is it justified?

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#1 Posted by Lind_L_Taylor (3963 posts) -

Heard the latest podcast.  I don't know 
why bashing Fallout: New Vegas gave 
any justification for Vinnie cheating at the
game. I played the game for 15 hours so
far & I haven't had it crash once!  The only 
problem I did encounter was where the 
character gets stuck in an inclined plane 
(such as a bus on a 45-degree angle) & then
can't move from the spot. Sol'n is to reload
a previous save.  I had this same issue with
Fallout 3.

Vinnie, here is a tip on making the
game a bit easier. When you level up,
put your whole 12-15 points into one
skill that seemed most recently important
& don't dabble it around to the others.
I've found that to work better. I did
notice that some dialog options offered
2 different ways to achieve the same system. 
However, if something required a high 
Science or Lockpick, then write it down on
a notepad & come back to it later when 
you've skilled-up.

That thing that Jeff said about Factions
& how "early on he had to pick a side".
Well I think that is TOTALLY WRONG.

Here is a hint on how to get around that.
Let's say you go up & attack a faction,
now you are hated & have picked sides.
However, if one of your NPC lackeys
hates that faction & attacks first, it
doesn't count against YOUR VIEW OF THE
FACTION!  I found this out by testing
the mission where you need to save a
couple of captured prisoners. The lackey
attacked first & I wasn't given a faction
penalty.

So no, Jeff, you do not have to pick
a side early on. The game is clearly
intelligent enough to make that distinction, 
though it isn't explained in the rules.
Thought I'd pass that observation on.

Overall, I'm amazed at how much more
improved the game is. There were other
little cheats I found that don't work
in the game. For instance, you can't just
suck on stimpaks constantly. The game
will give you an ability penalty (stim
sickness). And that isn't in hardcore
mode. Combat is harder & requires more
maintenance/repairs, but there isn't a
shortage of repair locations. Radiation can be
a pain but at the start of the game you
get a doctor's location. I've used the chems
& have not got an addiction, perhaps they
moved that to hardcore.

One time, I wandered the wasteland & watched
two sides duke it out with neither attacking
me. Later on, I stopped at a location & spoke
to someone about one of the sides. They said
their team was "out on patrol". I laughed
out loud realizing the guy doesn't even know
they're all dead yet, though I didn't get a
chance to tell him as there wasn't a
dialogue for it.

I also noticed that those missions where you
have to ask around to figure out a mystery
was more stable than in previous RPGs I've
played where mysteries are usually glitchy 
or a chore.

It's an excellent game. Fallout: New Vegas,
is what I'd call Advanced Fallout 3. They
just fleshed it out, giving more options to
craft stuff, added more penalties to produce
better challenges, more detailed quests
& seems stable enough after the patch update
(released about a week after the game came
out).

I'm sure there must be something I haven't
encountered yet since I see other threads
making statements about game breaks, but
I don't want to read spoilers just yet either.
Anyway, the above is just reflections based
on my experience with game.  No need to get
all flamey about it.

#2 Edited by Muttinus_Rump (814 posts) -

I just read that like a poem.
 
EDIT: Also, no.

#3 Posted by zegolf (224 posts) -

What's up with your formatting?

#4 Posted by christ0phe (952 posts) -

Oh fuck you, Vinny can play the game however he wants and Jeff can say whatever he wants  It's not hurting you, so quit fucking complaining.

#5 Posted by Mr_Skeleton (5140 posts) -

What is wrong with people why do you care how does he plays the game he bought, it is not affecting anyone else ffs.

#6 Posted by dbz1995 (4790 posts) -
@Muttinus_Rump said:
" I just read that like a poem. "
Exactly that, sir.
The poetic formatting 
Is rather madness.
 
Topic-Related:
If it does not affect man
Other than oneself.
 
That's acceptable
For then you are not harming
Anyone at all.
#7 Posted by JoeyIA (662 posts) -
@zegolf said:
" What's up with your formatting? "
#8 Posted by DeeGee (2119 posts) -

@ christ0phe I could not agree more with you on this. 
 
If you spent the time it took you to write all of that playing New Vegas, you might be as having as much fun as Vinnie :D

#9 Posted by Grissefar (2842 posts) -

Please get out of here, sir. We don't need you or this discussion here. Thank you.

#10 Edited by MattyFTM (14364 posts) -

Let Vinny play it any way he likes. He enjoys playing it by cheating, and that's fine. You would rather not cheat, and that's fine too. Play it how you want and let other people play it how they want.
 
Also, Jeff didn't say that you have to pick sides early on, but earlier than he would have liked. There is a point in the game where you do have to pick one side, and that cancels all of the missions on the other factions, and that came sooner than Jeff would have liked.

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#11 Posted by DeeGee (2119 posts) -

Also, I was fully expecting that halfway through his post, he was going to break out into the Fresh Prince of Bel-Air theme song.

#12 Posted by Lind_L_Taylor (3963 posts) -

 
 
Look at all that hate. Man!
 
I don't care if Vinnie cheats. But Jeff brought up
game-breaking as the excuse for him to do it in the
podcast. I gotta call nonsense on that.
 
I wasn't like trying to bash Vinnie by saying something
like:  
 
"I would prefer even to fail with honor than to win by cheating." 
 
LOL.

#13 Posted by tumes (206 posts) -

It delights me that the guy saying Vinny is using the game's systems wrong pretty obviously doesn't know how to use the commenting system to format readable text.

#14 Posted by TheSeductiveMoose (3617 posts) -
@christ0phe said:
" Oh fuck you, Vinny can play the game however he wants and Jeff can say whatever he wants  It's not hurting you, so quit fucking complaining. "
This, but in a more polite way, also
@zegolf said:
" What's up with your formatting? "
#15 Posted by lawlerballer (204 posts) -

cool poem bro

#16 Posted by arab_prince (2053 posts) -
@Lind_L_Taylor said:
"   Look at all that hate. Man!  I don't care if Vinnie cheats. But Jeff brought up game-breaking as the excuse for him to do it in the podcast. I gotta call nonsense on that.  I wasn't like trying to bash Vinnie by saying something like:    "I would prefer even to fail with honor than to win by cheating."   LOL. "
its not a multi player game, so cheating doesn't really effect anyone, and isn't really classified as "cheating". It is a system the developers put in there for the gamer to use. It's not even like he is using a glitch either. He isn't breaking the game in any way.  
 
You can look at it as an "easy mode". There is hardcore mode right? The devs put that in for anyone to use. Well they also put in an easy mode for those who want it.
#17 Posted by Cornman89 (1579 posts) -

It's a single player game. Vinny isn't reviewing it. There is literally no reason why he shouldn't play however he wants.

#18 Posted by Jadeskye (4367 posts) -

OH NO JEFF DOESN'T LIKE THIS PART OF THE GAME! THIS MAKES ME ENJOY IT LESS! 
   
ALSO VINNY YOU'RE A CHEATER!

SCREW YOU!
#19 Posted by HandsomeDead (11863 posts) -
   
'it was justified.'
#20 Posted by Lemoncookie01 (1667 posts) -

Please for gods
sake learn to not
use the enter 
button so much.

#21 Edited by NinjaHunter (972 posts) -

The game is broken. People should be complaining about that rather than about how someone decides to play the game. Now I don't play PC games so I don't know anything about console commands but isn't it possible to lock people out of doing stuff like this?

#22 Posted by bwmcmaste (838 posts) -
@DeeGee said:
" Also, I was fully expecting that halfway through his post, he was going to break out into the Fresh Prince of Bel-Air theme song. "
Indeed.
#23 Posted by oatz (1103 posts) -

No offense, but you type like a retard.

#24 Posted by Lukeweizer (2639 posts) -

So... this thread boils down to...
 
FUCK PEOPLE WHO HAVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS THAN ME! I'M ALWAYS RIGHT!
 
Go figure.

#25 Posted by Mrskidders (1330 posts) -

They can do what they want, get the fuck out of here.

#26 Posted by LordAndrew (14426 posts) -

It's fine in single player
If that's what he wants
He does not have to play
By the developer's rules
Especially when the game
Includes a console that allows it

#27 Posted by mazik765 (2315 posts) -
@Lind_L_Taylor:  If he experiences game breaking issues and cheating alleviates those issues, then why not? Just because you didn't experience the same issues, doesn't mean they don't exist.
#28 Posted by solidlife (877 posts) -

I seriously Dont get this WoW "elitist"  syndrome why does someone else actions effect YOUR enjoyment of the game. 
I find it really Gay its like carrying about what another person does in his free time with his dick. Worry about your dick 

#29 Posted by DeeGee (2119 posts) -
@LordAndrew:  I totally sang your post as I read it.
#30 Posted by Jayzilla (2558 posts) -

It's not cheating. It's a dev console that you enter commands into. He bought the game and it is single-player so why do you care? Maybe if they didn't ship a janky, broken game Vinnie wouldn't feel compelled to use the developer console to make the game actually, you know, playable?

#31 Posted by Lind_L_Taylor (3963 posts) -
@arab_prince said:
" @Lind_L_Taylor said:
"   Look at all that hate. Man!  I don't care if Vinnie cheats. But Jeff brought up game-breaking as the excuse for him to do it in the podcast. I gotta call nonsense on that.  I wasn't like trying to bash Vinnie by saying something like:    "I would prefer even to fail with honor than to win by cheating."   LOL. "
its not a multi player game, so cheating doesn't really effect anyone, and isn't really classified as "cheating". It is a system the developers put in there for the gamer to use. It's not even like he is using a glitch either. He isn't breaking the game in any way.   You can look at it as an "easy mode". There is hardcore mode right? The devs put that in for anyone to use. Well they also put in an easy mode for those who want it. "
Actually I do believe there is even a Very Easy setting. I mean,
wow. Why do you need a cheat code when you can mow it
all down?  Another option, you could just read the spoilers in
advance & just copy that & use Very Easy.  Honestly, to me
cheating is boring & robs yourself of the experience. I'm not
really doing a lot of Vinnie-bashing here, but why even bother
to play it?
 
What is up with all the comments about my columnar format?
It should be easier to read as you're limiting your eye movement
to a small section of space. :-P  I'm doing it to help you guys,
dangit.
#32 Posted by audiosnag (1604 posts) -

I made a thread about this (that got locked for some damn reason) but it was pretty much the opposite of this.
Who cares how vinny plays it?? Its not a mp game and its not tied into a network. Let the man do what he wants.
As for the jeff thing I haven't played the game so no comment.

#33 Posted by DeeGee (2119 posts) -

"Honestly, to me
cheating is boring & robs yourself of the experience. I'm not
really doing a lot of Vinnie-bashing here, but why even bother
to play it?  "
 
Here is where you went wrong. You are not everyone in the world. : D

#34 Posted by drgrumbles (205 posts) -
@Lind_L_Taylor:  I agree with Jeff and Ryan... "Fuck you."
#35 Posted by Fenrisulfr (141 posts) -
@Lind_L_Taylor said: 
Actually I do believe there is even a Very Easy setting. I mean, wow. Why do you need a cheat code when you can mow it all down?  Another option, you could just read the spoilers in advance & just copy that & use Very Easy.  Honestly, to me cheating is boring & robs yourself of the experience. I'm not really doing a lot of Vinnie-bashing here, but why even bother to play it?  What is up with all the comments about my columnar format? It should be easier to read as you're limiting your eye movement to a small section of space. :-P  I'm doing it to help you guys, dangit. "
 
I think you're forgetting something: even in easy mode, a mile is still a mile and that mountain still requires a long ass trek around it.  Sometimes I wish the 360 version had some kind of cheats window so I could just get to where I wanted to go.  Roaming around in the desert is cool, and yeah, I really enjoyed that in fallout 3 as well, but sometimes, especially when I'm on a mission, I just want to get from point A, to B, and back to A again as fast as possible.
#36 Posted by Lind_L_Taylor (3963 posts) -
@Jayzilla said:
" It's not cheating. It's a dev console that you enter commands into. He bought the game and it is single-player so why do you care? Maybe if they didn't ship a janky, broken game Vinnie wouldn't feel compelled to use the developer console to make the game actually, you know, playable? "
 
The game doesn't have any more or less jank than Fallout 3 had.
Maybe he could have saved $50 by not even buying the game?
I look at cheating & cheatcodes as something done after
you beat the game, but that's just me.  Cheatcodes also
help if you were trying to design a mission or module &
you want to test keys, flags, etc to check for resolution. 
 
It's just an inquiry. I'm not really bashing the heck out of 
Vinnie that much. Although had he taken my advice above
he  could have saved himself $50. :-)
#37 Edited by TheSeductiveMoose (3617 posts) -
@Lind_L_Taylor said:

What is up with all the comments about my columnar format? It should be easier to read as you're limiting your eye movement to a small section of space. :-P  I'm doing it to help you guys, dangit. "

It makes your posts sound like poems, it adds unnecessary stops mid-sentence.
#38 Posted by Lemoncookie01 (1667 posts) -
@jadeskye said:
" OH NO JEFF DOESN'T LIKE THIS PART OF THE GAME! THIS MAKES ME ENJOY IT LESS! 
  


#39 Posted by DeeGee (2119 posts) -

What are you on about, saving him $50? He ENJOYED the game.

#40 Posted by zegolf (224 posts) -
@Lind_L_Taylor said:
What is up with all the comments about my columnar format? It should be easier to read as you're limiting your eye movement to a small section of space. :-P  I'm doing it to help you guys, dangit. "
But we'll get eye fatigue faster because we have to drop to the next line sooner and more frequently.  PLUS, our feeble minds will get tired more quickly because we're trained to pause, ever so briefly, anytime a carriage return occurs.
#41 Posted by Ignor (2372 posts) -

LET'S QUOTE EACH OTHER, POST IMAGE MACROS AND BUMB WHAT IS OTHERWISE A POINTLESS TOPIC!!!

#42 Edited by LordAndrew (14426 posts) -
@Lind_L_Taylor said:

" What is up with all the comments about my columnar format? It should be easier to read as you're limiting your eye movement to a small section of space. :-P  I'm doing it to help you guys, dangit. "

Actually, if we wanted to do that, we could make all comments appear like that. At least there would be consistency then. But when you're the only person who does it, everyone else has to adjust to read your posts.
#43 Posted by Lind_L_Taylor (3963 posts) -
@audiosnag said:
" I made a thread about this (that got locked for some damn reason) but it was pretty much the opposite of this. Who cares how vinny plays it?? Its not a mp game and its not tied into a network. Let the man do what he wants. As for the jeff thing I haven't played the game so no comment. "
Well it was just an observation. I thought there would be a post about
this already myself.
 
@DeeGee said:
" "Honestly, to me cheating is boring & robs yourself of the experience. I'm not really doing a lot of Vinnie-bashing here, but why even bother to play it?  "  Here is where you went wrong. You are not everyone in the world. : D "

Right. Everything I'm saying is my opinion. Sort of goes
without saying though.
 
@drgrumbles said:
" @Lind_L_Taylor:  I agree with Jeff and Ryan... "Fuck you." "
?? Don't understand the hatin'.
 
@Fenrisulfr said:
" @Lind_L_Taylor said: 
Actually I do believe there is even a Very Easy setting. I mean, wow. Why do you need a cheat code when you can mow it all down?  Another option, you could just read the spoilers in advance & just copy that & use Very Easy.  Honestly, to me cheating is boring & robs yourself of the experience. I'm not really doing a lot of Vinnie-bashing here, but why even bother to play it?  What is up with all the comments about my columnar format? It should be easier to read as you're limiting your eye movement to a small section of space. :-P  I'm doing it to help you guys, dangit. "
 I think you're forgetting something: even in easy mode, a mile is still a mile and that mountain still requires a long ass trek around it.  Sometimes I wish the 360 version had some kind of cheats window so I could just get to where I wanted to go.  Roaming around in the desert is cool, and yeah, I really enjoyed that in fallout 3 as well, but sometimes, especially when I'm on a mission, I just want to get from point A, to B, and back to A again as fast as possible. "

Well you could roam to every mark on the map prior to starting
your missions so you can fast track.  This is a rule of post-apocalyptic 
environments.  I like it that way personally.  It focuses more on the
survival aspects & not just some quick "I'm done on now on to the next
game" type of mentality.
 
@TheSeductiveMoose said:
" @Lind_L_Taylor said:

What is up with all the comments about my columnar format? It should be easier to read as you're limiting your eye movement to a small section of space. :-P  I'm doing it to help you guys, dangit. "

It makes your posts sound like poems, it adds unnecessary stops mid-sentence. "

GB shrinks the font size. It's actually a bit larger in my notepad (where
I wrote it because sometimes GB's forums have a habit of freezing up
where I lose what I was writing in its text box.  The size you are seeing
is about how far I usually type before cutting off (about halfway on the
margin).
#44 Posted by UberExplodey (936 posts) -

...so says Mr. Stewart.

#45 Posted by foggel (2763 posts) -
@Muttinus_Rump said:
" I just read that like a poem.  EDIT: Also, no. "
Haha I was about to type the exact same thing.
#46 Posted by invadernick (260 posts) -

I'm having a blast using the console to unlock doors and eliminate weight. Yay for PC!

#47 Edited by Bongos (186 posts) -

Well I just recently used the faction system to sneak into vault 3 with a great khan outfit to kill motor runner so it's not that bad.Hell you don't even need to pick sides, what about the yes man ending? Regarding vinny cheating well you can make a build or just cheat through the game if you want, who cares really if you're having fun.

#48 Posted by LiquidPrince (15901 posts) -

Vinny.

#49 Posted by cstrang (2381 posts) -

This has been said before, but I will say it again: Vinnie bought the game with his money, therefore you have no right to tell him how to play it.  And Jeff is a professional reviewer, he states his opinions for money.  It doesn't mean that you have to agree with him, or that he's always right.
 
So,
 
COOL STORY, BROSKI

#50 Posted by christ0phe (952 posts) -
@Lind_L_Taylor:   The more you type, the more I actually want to kill you

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