#1 Posted by robbob88 (382 posts) -
#2 Posted by Video_Game_King (36567 posts) -

Yea, that seems quite logical. But wouldn't we hear some news of this by now? If we're getting word of it just now, I imagine we won't see it until 2011.

#3 Posted by Al3xand3r (7912 posts) -

Meh, no it's not. It's probably just gonna be an attempt at "rebranding" in order to reach a wider audience, but the system will remain the same, plus Natal on top. Anything else would just piss off anyone but diehard fanboys as far as I can tell. It's simply too early for a brand-new system. And where's the sense in advertising Natal for the current 360 if they plan to make it its own thing? Nowhere.

#4 Posted by Drebin_893 (2982 posts) -

Exciting, or URGH?

#5 Posted by suneku (3005 posts) -

I seriously don't want to think about buying a new console for at least another 5 years after the dent the 360 and ps3 left in my pocket.

#6 Posted by robbob88 (382 posts) -
@suneku said:
"I seriously don't want to think about buying a new console for at least another 5 years after the dent the 360 and ps3 left in my pocket."

Well I am guessing it would POSSIBLY be cheaper if they are trying to go after the casual market with Natal.
#7 Posted by The_A_Drain (4073 posts) -

I wrote a bigass post about this earlier, and giantbomb fucking 500'ed when I posted it, ruined my fucking day.

VERY short of the long.

Won't be a 'new' console, because of the economy and the next 18 months of 360 games lineup say otherwise. And if it is, be afraid, be very afraid, MS have a nasty habit of dropping old products like stones and moving swiftly on.

'might' be an expansion pack style upgrade (ala the N64) if it is, then that's not a good thing unless you have the cash to upgrade. I went without an expansion pack during the N64 era and it was a nightmare, even though most games didn't say they required it, fuck the framerates were awful if you didn't have one. Unlikely though imo due to my above point, MS prefer to drop products and move onto an entirely new one, only reason they still support XP is because of HUGE demand.

Most likely a 'slimline' style repackaging which honestly I would welcome given two conditions and a suggestion. Keep the HDMI port, bigger HDD (or same size at least, 120gb), and my suggestion is that they take a leaf out of sony's book and modify it slightly. Stick in a cheap and cheerful CPU and dedicate operating system functions solely to that, hopefully it will keep the fucking thing from crashing everytime I try to save while connected to xbox live, or from slowing down horrendously when an achievement pops up mid fight.

I can't see it being an entirely new console, especially with Natal being released, how do they expect people to afford both in this economic climate? Very unlikely. And upgrade? Sure, maybe, i'll probably even buy it if it makes Blue Dragon playable (the frame stutter during battles gave me headaches).

Honestly though, especially if people have their hopes up, I would assume it's simply a repackaging until we get solid info saying otherwise (that's if it's even true, rumour after all)

#8 Posted by Kou_Leifoh (1959 posts) -

No next gen console for like five years, please!

#9 Posted by Scooper (7920 posts) -

#10 Posted by Kiemoe (1091 posts) -

I don't want to buy a slightly-better 360...

#11 Posted by Agnogenic_delete (1044 posts) -
@Kiemoe said:
" I don't want to buy a slightly-better 360... "
Me neither. And I don't want motion tracking either. :p
#12 Posted by Kiemoe (1091 posts) -
@Agnogenic said:
@Kiemoe said:
" I don't want to buy a slightly-better 360... "
Me neither. And I don't want motion tracking either. :p
Seriously. And with my love of having the best thing on the market, and wanting to play games at their best, I would probably unhappily buy it if it ends up like how 1up is saying. Then I would take the Natal hardware and stab Peter Moleneux in the neck.
#13 Posted by p4ddym1607 (1061 posts) -

They should just continue working on their current console with good games and software.

#14 Posted by ParanoidFreak (1485 posts) -

This is false, Microsoft said they were treating Project Natal as a new project launch.

#15 Edited by Jimbo (10136 posts) -

Hmm, I suspect it will just be another addition to the 360 range.  So you end up with Elite, Premium, Arcade and Natal (but you will be able to buy a seperate Natal kit for older boxes).

I don't think they'll 'slightly upgrade' the power of the unit.  That'd just split their audience and at that point they'd basically have just re-invented the PC.

#16 Posted by TheKidNixon (1619 posts) -

If you listen to the Listen Up where they talk about this, the idea seems to be that the next XBox would be sold alongside the current console. It's processing power would be higher, but not by leaps and bounds. Certain games would look better on the new box, but again, the 360 branding would remained in tact.

The best analogy would be to think of the new 360 as the new iPhone. The general architecture is more or less the same, and the new variants have very noticeable advantages, but there would be some level of compatability with the original 360 hardware. Natal, for example, will be sold seperately and be able to be used on the current 360; there is going to be few, if any, games that REQUIRE the new hardware to run it. It is just that if you have the new hardware, it will run more smoothly.

I think the real difference makers here are going to be the game developers. I don't suspect many of them are going to want to turn their backs on the 30 million X-Box 360 owners and focus in on the niche market of the people with the new box. At least not at first. Give it a couple more years before a healthy number of games that require the new hardware to hit, once there is a mass of enough people to have that make sense.

The other question is, of course, the price-point; one of the Wii's greatest benefits is its ability to have an impulse buy pricepoint along with creating itself as a "hot item"; if you see one in the wild (or at least when you did at a certain point,) you didn't think too hard about buying one. Meanwhile, PS3's still sit neglected on shelves. If Microsoft tries to sell this for any more than 299, they're shooting themselves in the foot.

Possibly the most major take-away from this whole conversation is if this is indeed Microsoft's plan, then the whole concept of console "generations" is becoming something of the past, very quickly.

#17 Posted by TimeWaffle (966 posts) -

i really don't want any new consoles to come out any time soon

#18 Posted by ninjakiller (3428 posts) -

As a Sony fanboy, alienating M$ fans by launching a "updated 360" is only good news.  Also, FUCK MOTION CONTROL.

#19 Posted by Kung_Fu_Viking (750 posts) -

Oh man I really hope they don't do a minor upgrade to the hardware (More RAM, slightly faster clock speeds, more bus bandwidth etc.) All that is going to do is split the userbase which is never a good idea.

#20 Posted by PenguinDust (12700 posts) -
@The_A_Drain:   You are correct, sir.  This "new" Xbox 360 is most likely a redesigned 360 in a new case with some small improvements.  Really, this is no different than the rumored PS3-Slim or any other console redesign.  Microsoft has been making small changes to the console from the start by adding HDMI (mine doesn't have it cause it was launch), a better DVD drive and all the upgrades in chipsets; Xenon to Zephyr to Falcon...yadda-yadda-yadda, Valhalla.  The new Xbox will be packaged with Natal and marketing wants players who've had their system to trade up.  It won't be necessary, just as it isn't necessary to go out an buy a PSP-Go if you have any of the previous models. But, they will want to encourage that urge to buy a new one in gamers and making it look "cooler" is one way.  Hell, Nintendo changes colors and people flock to the stores.

This isn't a new console as in the mythical Xbox 720, but just an Xbox 360.20 (point two-oh).
#21 Posted by TheKidNixon (1619 posts) -
@ninjakiller said:
" As a Sony fanboy, alienating M$ fans by launching a "updated 360" is only good news.  Also, FUCK MOTION CONTROL. "
...you do realize Sony is introducing a motion controller, yes? Actually, they're second motion controller, if you count the Six-Axis.
#22 Posted by The_A_Drain (4073 posts) -

Actually, on that note you've just given me an idea. Becuase all of those upgrades were, essentially, not upgrades at all as the parts were substandard to begin with (HDMI the exception) they were done to reduce the number of hardware errors.

Maybe this will be the reset switch? Maybe they are going to use Natal as a launch pad for a redesigned (hopefully smaller, and MUCH more reliable) 360? With any luck, at a budget price as an apology. Perhaps even bundled with Natal so that Natal absorbs some of the cost of the box itself.
#23 Edited by ParanoidFreak (1485 posts) -
Joystiq said:
Remember when Shane Kim acknowledged that the Project Natal launch would be more like a console launch than a simple peripheral launch, saying, "Conceptually, the launch of Natal will be like the launch of Xbox 360"? Well, 1UP is reporting that, if its sources are correct, the Natal launch will be a new console launch! "Microsoft will not only release Natal as an add-on for the Xbox 360, it will come standard with the next Xbox console," 1UP writes. "Yes, there will be a new Xbox console next fall."

Lest you think this is going to be a simple bundle, Natal camera included, 1UP "heard it will be considered a new platform and carry a new name (Xbox Natal?)." Suddenly, we're reminded of the rumored Valhalla chipset, which would combine the 65nm CPU and 65nm GPU into one superchip, with reduced cooling and power demands. With that, Microsoft could make a smaller – more Wii-esque if you will – Xbox console, perfect for the mainstream consumer.

Incidentally, that chipset is expected sometime around 2010 which is precisely when 1UP pegs the new console's launch: "sources point to next year's Game Developer's Conference as the target for its unveiling and Fall 2010 as the target for release." So, a slightly upgraded Xbox 360 coupled with the Natal camera, targeted towards your parents? Just because we're leaving the speculation there, doesn't mean you have to.

Wow, this could be legit, hopefully they hold off for at least one more year.
#24 Posted by c_rakestraw (921 posts) -

If this is true, then it'd basically be the same as the DSi: A new version of an established system that's slightly more powerful, with a few extra features. Not sure how well that would work for a home console though.

I mean, having to buy another version of a system you already own -- whether it be a portable or home system -- is something no one wants to do. Because that means there will be games made specifically for the new version, thus forcing you to buy one to play whatever games do that. Which means you'd end up having two versions of the same console, just with the minor difference that one can play certain games while the other one can't.

The DSi has this issue, and I don't like that about it either. Why should we be forced to buy multiple versions of the same system just so we can play more games (a good portion of which will probably be made for the new version I imagine)?

#25 Posted by ninjakiller (3428 posts) -
@TheKidNixon said:
@ninjakiller said:
" As a Sony fanboy, alienating M$ fans by launching a "updated 360" is only good news.  Also, FUCK MOTION CONTROL. "
...you do realize Sony is introducing a motion controller, yes? Actually, they're second motion controller, if you count the Six-Axis."
Yes, and the current games that have used have mostly been in an unobtrusive manner.  In Heavenly Sword players were given the option of turning them off, which I promptly did.  As far as Sony's motion controller .......do not want, will not buy.  If Sony makes motion its future I will be strictly a PC gamer from then on.
#26 Posted by LordAndrew (14588 posts) -

Sounds like they're just treating Natal as a "new console" due to all the stuff it's supposed to bring to the Xbox 360. I'd be very surprised if it really is a next-gen console.

#27 Posted by EpicSteve (6910 posts) -

I think they're using the term "new console" loosely. I believe Natal will be packaged with a "newer" Xbox 360, that being maybe a smaller system, bigger harddrive, more RAM, whatever. Perhaps he upgrade from a DS Lite to a DSi. Natal will also be something we ca buy separately for about $150. If I'm wrong, the this is absolute ludicrous. 2010/2011 is the right time for rumors to afloat of the Big 3's next major projects, but not an actual release. We might enter generation 7.5, but not necessarily generation 8. 

#28 Posted by RHCPfan24 (8663 posts) -

Natal looks like a great piece of hardware and software but I do not want to buy a whole new console with slightly better improvements and a focus on minigame collections. I don't even believe that this is going to be true, but if it is, Microsoft has pissed me off once again.

#29 Posted by Qorious (882 posts) -

Please don't! We're barely going to get out of this recession and Microsoft wants to release a new Xbox? No thank you. Let's give the 360 a couple more years. I mean, a lot of developers haven't even harness what the 360 is capable of yet. And I think 2010 is too early for a new console generation to start. We probably won't really see a difference in graphics. 

#30 Posted by The_Dude (827 posts) -

I was talking to my friends earlier saying I don't think Natal will be on xbox 360, it seems more logical that it would ship with the next xbox. Hopefully they don't plan on doing away with the controller completely.

#31 Posted by cspiffo (874 posts) -

if this is true it would only make sense.  Peripherals tend to not do so well.  Relaunch a peripheral as a new brand and experience and you will build up more support and excitement.  I'm just glad it will work with my current 360.

#32 Posted by Snail (8768 posts) -

Screw Natal. It is fucking retarded.

#33 Posted by Warfare (1670 posts) -

After 3 broken 360 they can kiss my ass.

#34 Posted by Meteora (5844 posts) -

It'll probably be rebranded as a new console but technically just better hardware and maybe smaller. Microsoft said they'll be expecting a 10 year life span for the 360, so I wouldn't expect them to launch a new console and especially during a recession. Only problem is that there isn't a whole lot of juice left behind the box, or it's getting there quickly.

#35 Posted by Linkyshinks (11407 posts) -

I always want something new on the console front, so I am all for this. Whatever it is, it will be a welcome step up for me, especially if a new console sees a signifcant drop in the failure rate.

#36 Posted by DryPenguin (77 posts) -

Meh, I just bought the RE5 Special Edition, I'm good for a while

#37 Posted by Systech (4190 posts) -

I really hope Microsoft isn't making just another Wii. Please, make it have a controller that I can grip, but to be honest I don't even want a brand new platform. I still am getting my money's worth out of the 360.

#38 Posted by damswedon (3221 posts) -

i think its more likely to be a brand on its own, like xbox live

#39 Posted by neoepoch (1317 posts) -

Splitting the user base seems like a good idea. Totally brilliant. Genius move. I am not at all being sarcastic. Wait...what?

#40 Posted by Diamond (8678 posts) -

Not gonna happen.  However, they might release a smaller $250 360 with natal and a new marketing push.

#41 Posted by TheGreatGuero (8882 posts) -

If I remember correctly, it was said at E3 that the 360 is going to stay around until around 2015. Or maybe that was said about the PS3. Either way, we won't be getting a new one that soon. Maybe a new model of the current 360, but definitely not a new console entirely.

#42 Posted by LuffyUzumaki (539 posts) -



besides wasen't there an article on gs that said the xbox will last for 10 more yrs.

#43 Posted by Ineedaname (4276 posts) -

Is it a new console or is along side the 360?

I.e. There'd be companies releasing games for that and the other companies releasing games for the 360.

#44 Posted by DuhQbnSiLo (2241 posts) -
@Agnogenic said:
@Kiemoe said:
" I don't want to buy a slightly-better 360... "
Me neither. And I don't want motion tracking either. :p
I'm with you guys
#45 Posted by MB (13619 posts) -

The rumor is only starting because Sam Kennedy wrote an article about it and now it's spreading all over video game sites. From what I can tell, there are no "sources", this is just a theory he came up with by himself based on nothing.

#46 Posted by dsplayer1010 (2331 posts) -

Microsoft just said that the 360 would have a ten year life cycle. So I'm not expecting a new one until at least 2015.

#47 Posted by freakin (404 posts) -
" Microsoft just said that the 360 would have a ten year life cycle. So I'm not expecting a new one until at least 2015. "

though the 10 year life cycle includes a few years where a new console has already launched, for instance the ps2 is still living in their life cycle.
#48 Posted by Wolverine (4569 posts) -
@robbob88 said:
" http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3174762That is pretty exciting :D "
Yeah I kind of hope they just ship Natal on a new console. Graphics need to be updated anyway and plus I could like to have an Xbox that isn't always breaking on me.
#49 Posted by FuzzYLemoN (1609 posts) -

If Natal is MS's next console, then that'll be an MS console that I will not buy. Controllers please, my good sir.