Morgan Webb...too old?
You know a thought occurred to me last night while watching X-Play for the Jeff interview. Actually, it's something that's been nagging at me for a few weeks now. I don't watch the show as frequently as I used to, so when I catch an episode, I see the evolution from what I remember more pronounced. Anyway, a thought occurred to me. I wondered if the hostess, Morgan Webb is getting too old to do that type of show. She is 30, closing in on 31 this October. Now, as a woman and a television personality, I think she is just hitting her prime. But, gaming is generally thought of as a youth orientated market. The target demographic of X-Play and similar youth culture programs tend to be hosted by cherubic, giggly early twenty-somethings. Morgan herself began on TV in that role. She began work at TechTV at age 23. And while it may seem just a scant few years since those days, at lot has changed over time. Gone is the quirky colorful dye-job hair and the steamy photo shoots for FHM magazine. She's married, although she kept it secret for a year, and has recently tried to expand her credentials beyond the enthusiasm press. Undoubtedly, thoughts of having a family have crossed her mind. And, while none of this should or would impede her ability to do her job professionally, I wonder how receptive the audience would be to a pregnant Webb on television.
In modern society, youth is highly prized. Advertisers love that 18 to 24 demographic. Billions are spent each year on treatments to "restore" youth or, at the very least, hide the signs of aging for a few hours. In popular culture, specifically when viewing women, it's at its most vicious. Paris runway models have barely entered puberty. Hollywood starlets are often paired with male leads twenty years their senior. And in television journalism, seasoned female veterans are replaced by sexy, leggy co-hosts to report the night's news. And, that's in the wider market of mainstream television. Game programming is a niche market. And while the average age of a video game player is 35 according to the ESA, I'd be willing to bet that the average age of someone watching G4 is much lower. We all know that G4TV has changed over the years and is now largely a SpikeTV clone where girls in bikinis parade around between episodes of guys hitting each other in the junk. Actually, last night's episode of Attack of the Show opened with the guest co-hostess in a pink bikini. So, no one on the network is championing woman's suffrage. Honestly, I was uncomfortable and normally I'm all for a little exploitation from time to time. Hell, I like the Dead or Alive games. But, this does not set a good precedent for a network interested in maturing with the wider gaming culture. And this is the setting that a more mature Morgan Webb now finds herself in. I am certainly not calling for her dismissal or any attempt to reposition her skills behind the camera. However, I wonder how long will she be considered a marketing asset to the program? Will young viewers tune in to see a woman (no matter how competent) in her 30s talk about video games as eagerly as a woman in her early 20s?
I don't know about the US, but in the UK the only game focused television programs we've ever had (other than Gamesmaster! :P) have been absolute tripe, over all the ones i've watched there has been perhaps one single dude from an old Sky show who actually knew what he was talking about, everyone else reads off a card, does no research, or has tits and just flounces about for 15 minutes on camera going "Yaayy!!" and eventually dropping the title of a few videogames. It's insulting, especially when they offer no criticism of the games they are supposedly reviewing, they just talk about all the "cool stuff" you can do and show you some gameplay footage before going "Yeah!! Awesome!! 4/5!"
I guess what i'm trying to say is, yes, i'd bloody well watch her no matter how old provided she knows what she's talking about, anyone who watches a show about games to see young women bouncing around needs a slap upside the head.
It's a mostly dude demographic that watches x-play.
It's a known fact. We don't care how old they are, if the tits are nice, the tits are nice.
" 30 is the new 20! :P I'd say age is less important than looks (from a marketing perspective), though obviously the two are related. I doubt most viewers know or care how old she is. She's hot. She plays video games. She's knowledgeable about video games (i.e. competent). Win. My uneducated two cents. "FTW!
@The_A_Drain
said:" I don't know about the US, but in the UK the only game focused television programs we've ever had (other than Gamesmaster! :P) have been absolute tripe, over all the ones i've watched there has been perhaps one single dude from an old Sky show who actually knew what he was talking about, everyone else reads off a card, does no research, or has tits and just flounces about for 15 minutes on camera going "Yaayy!!" and eventually dropping the title of a few videogames. It's insulting, especially when they offer no criticism of the games they are supposedly reviewing, they just talk about all the "cool stuff" you can do and show you some gameplay footage before going "Yeah!! Awesome!! 4/5!" I guess what i'm trying to say is, yes, i'd bloody well watch her no matter how old provided she knows what she's talking about, anyone who watches a show about games to see young women bouncing around needs a slap upside the head. "
Gamemaster with Dexter Fletcher was the tripe. The only show we had that was decent was the late night version of Bits, where games discussion was honest and made interesting.
The swearing was refeshing also.
" @The_A_Drain: Yeah, I can't believe we don't have any proper good games programmes in the UK. There seems to be shows about every other hobby no matter how obscure yet nobody can make a decent show about one of the biggest parts of the entertainment industry. "
Yeah, and it's not like we don't have enough. I caught the first episode of something called Gameface the other day because I was too lazy to change the channel after The A team on Bravo, and it was 20 minutes of some girl going "Yayy look how bubbly and bouncy I am, while at the same time alluding to being kinky! yayy!!! I know very little about games" and a dude 'reviewing' Ghostbusters (referring to it as multiplat, despite only being available on PS3 for now) and essentially just saying everything was awesome about it and that was it. It was ridiculous.
There are at least 2 or 3 other similar shows on channels like Bravo, nothing on mainstream telly anymore though to my knowledge. Yet you see very detailed, respectful shows about fishing, cooking, all manner of oter hobbies and interests.
You have a good point. I believe that Morgan will be around for the time being and probably leave on her own terms, and the audience still enjoys her but it is not going to last forever. It is a shame because she really is great at her job and also a beautiful woman. Olivia Munn will surely last more years, especially with the Playboy cover shoot catapulting her to popularity at the moment. The thing is, G4 really hasn't reached this cycle yet of replacement so we cannot refer to a precedent. We will just see how it turns out, whether she stays or not in the coming years.
My knee-jerk reaction is to say yes, despite being 31 myself, but I think that's actually not really true in this case. X-Play has morphed itself into the central hub of gaming TV journalism, rather than simply being a review/preview show. I've noticed that it takes itself much more seriously than in the past as well. In that capacity, having two well-established and credible hosts only helps it. Meanwhile, the additional segments, like Cheat, can be handled by someone younger. This is similar to how network news works. There are two established journalists/personalities that anchor the show, with the less-known folks handling remote feeds and weather.
Now, if they were doing a show like The List or something, which caters to an even smaller audience, they'd need some young T&A to drum up interest. Nobody would confuse a show like that with any sort of credibility.
she's not too old.
the gaming demographic skews guys late 20s 30s, (moving into the 40s now as gamers get older. )
simply put, guys who have jobs and can buy video games.
the value in morgan webb as i see it, that along with looks, she is not an air head.
she comes off as having an genuine interests in the field, whether or not she really does is besides the point.
but when she talks, we are not being talked down to.
vs. the olivia munn, who while good looking, you can tell is 100% manufactured.
I totally remember bits ..and then it became thumb bandits, which is where i saw devil may cry and ICO in motion for the first time... I absolutely loved all of that late night C4 stuff from years ago.
Wow, I hope she isn't too old. Interesting that you don't question the age of Adam who I believe is older. If over the age of 30 becomes a mark we don't want individuals covering video games for us, we are going to be losing a lot of talented people immediately. Jeff being one of them. There is no reason these individuals can't cover video games until they retire. I will always respect their opinion. The fact that you singled out Morgan Webb as a female, was sexist. Not that you may have meant it that way, but it was.
@PenguinDust: I agree with your main point, although I do think you are overanalyzing it a fair bit here, heh. Morgan Webb probably has at least 5 years left in this business barring anything extremely unexpected. Her actual interest in games (whether it is slight or moderate or whatever) must count for something and she still looks pretty good.
I do agree though that the "age in which you can make a living doing this" range is considerably lower for females in show business. Makes me think how we've seen various big-name male stars in similar roles throughout the years, but the women they work with are constantly changing. I don't get who would watch all the bikini girl stuff that appeals to the lowest common denominator on Spike or G4 either - but that's just how it is.
I have no problem with her age but I do have a problem with her voice. I just can't stand her voice and especially the way she delivers her reviews and VO's, it sound like she is condescending. I don't know her personally ans she could be a really great person but I just tune her out.
" @Linkyshinks: I totally remember bits ..and then it became thumb bandits, which is where i saw devil may cry and ICO in motion for the first time... I absolutely loved all of that late night C4 stuff from years ago. "
One of those girls, Emily Dunn (short hair), ended up working on Burnout Revenge believe it or not.
" I'd say yes, but look at Adam Sessler, he's her co-host and he's 35 and still at it. "This.
Perhaps you have ignored the whole MILF and cougar phenomenon my friend? As long as she keeps herself looking good I doubt she'll be a detraction. A pregnant Morgan might turn off some younger fans, but the median age of casual gamers is 36, and hardcore gamers is 26. She looks like one of those women who will bounce right back after having a kid. You know what I mean.
She still looks young enough. I think that as long as she still fits in with Sessler (age-wise) than there isn't a problem.
Honestly who really cares how old she is?
Everyone running your Beloved Giantbomb is hovering right around the 30 mark. As long as they are authentic with their enthusiasm for video games, age is just a number. Also not that it matters, she still has it in the looks department as well.
Who really cares how old she is? X-Play is the Morgan Webb and Adam Sessler show. They are about the only thing which retains what small shred of respectability G4 still has. If you're only in it for the young eye candy Olivia Munn and Kristin Adams are floating about. For my money Morgan's game knowledge and air of class make her far more attractive than either of those two. Plus she's smoking hott.
I tune in to X-Play (and the MMO Report) for the news and wacky comedy I have loved for years now. To me Morgan Webb, Adam Sessler, Blair Butler and Casey Schreiner are the only reason I even will tune in to G4 anymore.
Morgan Webb is cute. I mean I am a man who likes older women and someone who is in there prime...is ok with me. She knows her shit about games and its nice to see a well figured body with that smart mind.
I thought the average age of video game players was something like 35?
She's no where near the age to be sent to the glue factory yet. Sessler's probably looking down the barrel of 40 and nobody's calling for him to get out of the way. If the game market is going to keep growing then it needs to diversify and include older women, pregnant women, and women with walkers and canes. It's completely backwards to think or expect video games to remain some kind of secret club for 18-24 year olds boy-men. As the market ages, so does the demographic. Why try to slow it or ignore it, just embrace it. If Morgan wants to stay on until she's a grandma, and G4 wants to keep her, let her become the Barbara Walters of video game reporters for all I care.
You did make me stop and pause as I realized just how much I miss TechTV though. G4 just panders way too much for my tastes. TechTV actually seemed to know its audience and didn't waver from that focus. G4 seems to think its audience is that 18-24 Mountain Dew drinking demographic, it always has been, and it always will be.
I don't think it honestly matters. If you're complaining for the sole reason that you thought she was hot years ago and not now, then that's your problem and I guess that's fine. As an actual age though, I know Adam is in his 30's now as well...as are really most of the people in the game industry. Just because she's a woman it doesn't need to suddenly matter how old she is to host a video game show, since it obviously doesn't matter how old a man is.
Thank you for the numerous responses to my thread. I wasn’t quite sure what to expect since the subject matter can be controversial. But, allow me to respond to some of the issues raised since my original post.
To begin with, of course the topic is sexist. That was the focus of my dialogue. I do not endorse or condone the practice, but I understand that the world is often not fair. Inequality is an aspect of modern society as it has been for centuries now. My question is meant to be viewed recognizing that disparity exists and is the standard within the entertainment industry. This is also the reason why I did not ask the same question of Adam Sessler or any of the staff at Giant Bomb. Men and women are held to a different set of rules when it comes to aging. A 69 year old Sean Connery can have a 30 year old Catherine Zeta Jones as a romantic interest in 1999’s feature film, Entrapment. And while that is an extreme example of the guidelines, it applies deeper than just the obvious “ick” factor. The casting agency as well as everyone involved in production picked her over any actress closer to Connery’s age. At the time, Jones was the “it” girl. The flavor the day, signed because film makers thought she could attract a younger market. Perhaps signing Dame Judi Dench (65 at the time) wouldn’t have fit the storyline, but I find it difficult to accept that no middle ground existed. And as is the way in Hollywood, Jones too now has been pushed aside for younger actresses on the rise.
As Morgan Webb gets older before the television audience, she will feel the sting of that bias before Adam Sessler does. It’s called the glass ceiling. In principle, she should have the opportunity to work before the camera as long as she is willing. And, we may even innocently assume that is the case. But, in practice, women are often prohibited from achieving the same occupational heights as their male counterparts. Now, G4 is a youth focused network. And are attuned to what they believe their audience wants to see. As I stated in my earlier post, I suspect their target demographic is skewed much younger than the average video game player. Therefore, I don’t think it’s out of line to ask the question does she still have the same allure to G4 viewer that she once did. While I believe it’s great that so many of you don’t see her age as an issue, and still find her attractive, I wonder how many of you who believe that are regular G4 viewers?
Finally, I did consider the “cougar” effect in my reasoning, but don’t think it has as strong an influence on television production as might be inferred considering all the press it has gotten over the last few years. The leading icon to the custom, Demi Moore, hasn’t demanded the same level of attention she did a decade ago. That means, either she’s retired or she is just not being offered the same number of scripts she once was.
WTF are you talking about. Morgan Webb is hot! It's Adam Sessler that looks and sounds like he might just fall apart.
Morgan's not the problem. G4 is the problem. It doesn't matter about the demographics. G4 has shredded itself down into a cheap, exploitative joke, packed wall-to-wall with re-runs, chopped-up old movies, and no-talent hosts of pointless, insulting, sophomoric drivel. They used to cover games a long time ago. Now, games are reduced to the 15 minutes a day (X-Play minus commercials), if that. I used to keep G4 on all the time when they merged with TechTV because of all the game-related shows like X-Play, Judgement Day, Electric Playground, Cinema Tech, etc. The only time I watch it nowadays is for the E3 coverage.
No. Morgan's not too old. She's beautiful, engaging, and, unlike some others on G4, dignified. She's knowledgeable. She can conduct an interview without constantly interrupting with a stupid, strained attempt at humor (I mean you, Pereira!).
If G4 ever returns to "game" coverage, they're going to need the likes of Morgan Webb and Adam Sessler calling the shots to have any semblance of legitimacy.
I don't care. What amazes me is that about 11 years ago X-Play aired its first broadcast as the then titled "Gamespot TV" through ZDNet. On that first broadcast there was a then young Jeff talking to a then young Adam Sessler about why Banjo Kazooie was a great game. Joe Fielder was next I think talking about GoldenEye multiplayer, and someone who I've forgotten their name was talking about Shogo.
I want to agree with you, but I can't. Because if I do I'm inadvertently excusing the talents of the older generation of game journalists such as Jeff G. & more specifically Adam Sesslar. Adam is highly revered by myself because he's an intellectual & one of the few who truly represents the gaming industry properly & takes no bullshit. He's the George Carlin of videogame journalists & he has the media outlet to voice his opinions to the mass populus. I couldn't stand loosing such a prominent voice in the community just because of his age. Webb is there just to be hot, I don't think she games too hard.
I wouldn't say she's too old, just has a god awful haircut. Shits vomit worthy
@Everyones_A_Critic said:
I thought he alternated with another guy as one of the host now. Everytime I've seen it lately (which isn't much) it has always been some random guy along side Morgan." I'd say yes, but look at Adam Sessler, he's her co-host and he's 35 and still at it. "
" I don't care. What amazes me is that about 11 years ago X-Play aired its first broadcast as the then titled "Gamespot TV" through ZDNet. On that first broadcast there was a then young Jeff talking to a then young Adam Sessler about why Banjo Kazooie was a great game. Joe Fielder was next I think talking about GoldenEye multiplayer, and someone who I've forgotten their name was talking about Shogo. "Dude, if you remember those days you must be, like, at least 30 years old or something. Hang up your cane and have a seat before you collapse. ;)
I would rather have an older woman who knows what she's talking about host, than a young woman who hasn't got a clue.
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