Chinese Democracy

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Posted by lordofultima (6208 posts) -

It's actually pretty good. Totally didn't expect this to really happen. Some throw away songs, but a couple of really awesome gems (Better, There Was A Time) make this album worth purchasing. You should check it out.

#1 Posted by lordofultima (6208 posts) -

It's actually pretty good. Totally didn't expect this to really happen. Some throw away songs, but a couple of really awesome gems (Better, There Was A Time) make this album worth purchasing. You should check it out.

#2 Posted by TheBeast (1931 posts) -

It doesn't at all feel very GnRish to me - much more metally and 'modern', but I guess that's how bands transform, and it's not like I was expecting another Appetite for Destruction.

I'm not finding any tracks particularly catchy, but they're good in their own right.
#3 Posted by MetalGearSunny (6986 posts) -

Found Shackler's Revenge pretty catchy playing Rock Band so I may check it out.

#4 Posted by lordofultima (6208 posts) -

Well, I don't think change is such a horrible thing, and being that GnR has been through so much turbulence, I'd expect them to sound wildly different. I wouldn't say "Metally" is a very good description, but it definitely sounds modern.

#5 Edited by get2sammyb (6412 posts) -

Ah-haha. As an avid hater of all things Guns And Roses (Slash or not) I look forward to taking a listen to this record. Just for the lolz.

#6 Posted by MetalGearSunny (6986 posts) -

Oh, BTW.

SLASH RLUES!

Axl.....not really.

But I still may pick this up.

#7 Posted by joey (980 posts) -

I'm only excited for it because of the free Dr. Pepper.

#8 Posted by get2sammyb (6412 posts) -

Oh wow there is a song based on The Catcher In The Rye.

Shame it's cringe worthy, right?

#9 Posted by Arkthemaniac (6535 posts) -

I plan on reviewing it for my school paper.

And it will, I assure you, have another asshole once I'm done.
#10 Posted by RHCPfan24 (8609 posts) -
Arkthemaniac said:
"I plan on reviewing it for my school paper.
And it will, I assure you, have another asshole once I'm done.
"
Actually I am gonna do that too.  It will be an interesting review, but when I make a reference to how long the album has taken to come out, everyone will be like "What?" or "The band with the guy from GH3?".  No one knows music anymore....
#11 Posted by Maru (286 posts) -

To me it sounds very overproduced and compressed. .. also  drums sounds like someone's  tapping it with bare hands.

I was very dissapointed with this album... I can't help my self but to think  "what if....."  listning to it.

This is coming from GNR fan since 1991 ( since I was in Grade 6)

#12 Posted by lordofultima (6208 posts) -

Well those cheesy electronic-drum beginnings are overused, if that's what you're talking about. But the actual drums sound like, you know, drums. I don't see how people are up-in-arms over compression, it's been around for a quite a while, and I think it generally makes an album sound tighter. To each his own.

#13 Posted by KnightsofRound (486 posts) -

I agree, I was pleasantly surprised by this album, although I had my expectations set extremely low for some reason.  I'm just glad I wasn't disappointed by it because I really was expecting it to blow chunks.

#14 Edited by get2sammyb (6412 posts) -
lordofultima said:
"Well those cheesy electronic-drum beginnings are overused, if that's what you're talking about. But the actual drums sound like, you know, drums. I don't see how people are up-in-arms over compression, it's been around for a quite a while, and I think it generally makes an album sound tighter. To each his own."
But it ruins the dynamics of the mix. You can compress so much that the instruments don't gain any energy anymore, they lose it.

It's ridiculously over produced though. It sounds like a Marilyn Manson record in places.
#15 Posted by William (441 posts) -

No it isn't.

#16 Posted by William (441 posts) -

No it isn't.

#17 Posted by Kaido (249 posts) -

Holy shit...it actually exists?

#18 Edited by jakob187 (21642 posts) -

Album is full of sloshy bullshit.  Axl needed to keep this album on indefinite hiatus, cancelled, fucking burned in a bonfire and trashed completely.

The fucking Spaghetti Incident was better than this shit!
#19 Posted by Systech (4078 posts) -

I listened to it on MySpace and I was thinking about catapulting the firewood poker into my head.

#20 Posted by AvD (288 posts) -

After skimming through the album it has surpassed my low expectations... and as much as I like Sash, Chinese Democracy shits all over anything Velvet Revolver put out.

#21 Edited by TwoOneFive (9459 posts) -

this album sucks, and this is coming from a big GnR fan. 

once Slash was out of the picture, its just Axl Rose and a bunch of dudes, and it really shows in this album. 

Slash was the brains behind it all, this new guitarist is good, but his solos come no where near Slash's, and I don't hear any stand out melodies except for the one in This Is Love, but that doesn't sound anything like GnR song to me. 
AvD said:
"After skimming through the album it has surpassed my low expectations... and as much as I like Sash, Chinese Democracy shits all over anything Velvet Revolver put out."
you gotta be kiddin me?! their few good songs are definitely better than anything on this thing. 

i'd rather be listening to Paul McCartney's The Fireman's new album that also debuted on Myspace this week. 
#22 Posted by lordofultima (6208 posts) -

Buckethead is INFINITELY better than Slash, that's where you're wrong. To each his own. Where is Velvet Revolver, does anyone really care? No.

#23 Posted by jakob187 (21642 posts) -
systech said:
"I listened to it on MySpace and I was thinking about catapulting the firewood poker into my head."
Quoted for truth!!!
#24 Posted by Bulldog19892 (1795 posts) -

I've always hated Guns N' Roses with a passion, but hearing the lead single ("Chinese Democracy") my first thought was "wow, this is shit compared to their previous work."

#25 Posted by clubsandwich (3795 posts) -

I'm going to buy it for I'm ready for disappointment because this is not Guns N Roses.

#26 Posted by dsplayer1010 (2227 posts) -

Crap. I forgot that comes out tomorrow. How'd you get it early?

#27 Posted by Snoopy (40 posts) -

Album was being made since 99 plus most of the songs were already made into bootleg a long time ago. Also i believe it's only axl on the album and hired musicians some songs sound good,  but c'mon its dead. btw I'm not bashing em only album I like was appetite of destruction and I believe Slash is a miracle after I read his book it inspired me to play.

#28 Edited by roushimsx (485 posts) -

Been listening to this for most of today and I'm really enjoying it. I initially had some trouble adjusting to the way a few of the tracks wound up compared to the leaked versions that have appeared over the years (particularly Chinese Democracy, Madagascar and Better), but all in all I'd say it turned out pretty darn well. I do have to agree with the reviewers that lamented over the lack of Izzy's involvement, as it's pretty clear throughout :(

I'm really looking forward to seeing what Axl does with all of the other songs that didn't make the cut for this album. Sebastian Bach has been a bit loose lipped about the ordeal for the last few years but Axl never sticks to any plans or schedules (which is pretty much why I've never risked trying to see GnR in concert).

dsplayer1010 said:

"Crap. I forgot that comes out tomorrow. How'd you get it early?"
A few Best Buys broke the street dates and a ton of people downloaded the album through less-than-legal means in addition to the abundance of leaked versions (there's what, four versions of Better available at this point?). I'm interested in seeing how this sells considering it's a store exclusive release and all..
#29 Posted by ParanoidFreak (1461 posts) -

I wasn't expecting an Appetite for Destruction, but Chinese Democracy is pretty awesome. It's even better than Use Your Illusion (in my opinion).

#30 Posted by dsplayer1010 (2227 posts) -
roushimsx said:
dsplayer1010 said:
"Crap. I forgot that comes out tomorrow. How'd you get it early?"
A few Best Buys broke the street dates and a ton of people downloaded the album through less-than-legal means in addition to the abundance of leaked versions (there's what, four versions of Better available at this point?). I'm interested in seeing how this sells considering it's a store exclusive release and all.."
How is it? I'm a little hesitant to make the purchase
#31 Edited by ParanoidFreak (1461 posts) -
dsplayer1010 said:
"roushimsx said:
dsplayer1010 said:
"Crap. I forgot that comes out tomorrow. How'd you get it early?"
A few Best Buys broke the street dates and a ton of people downloaded the album through less-than-legal means in addition to the abundance of leaked versions (there's what, four versions of Better available at this point?). I'm interested in seeing how this sells considering it's a store exclusive release and all.."
How is it? I'm a little hesitant to make the purchase"
You can listen to the whole album on Myspace music if you're hesitant to buy it.
LINK
#32 Posted by lordofultima (6208 posts) -

I completely agree. It's much better than Use Your Illusion (1 or 2).

#33 Edited by jakob187 (21642 posts) -

So I went and listened to Guns 'n' Roses new album, entitled "Free Dr. Pepper for Everyone", and it still sucks.

How anyone could say this is better than either disc from Use Your Illusion is out of their mind...and probably like Hinder.

The ONLY song worthwhile on this whole album that even FEELS like Guns 'n' Roses is MAYBE "Street of Dreams".
#34 Posted by lordofultima (6208 posts) -

If you don't like opinions maybe you shouldn't be in a "forum." Different strokes, man.

#35 Posted by jakob187 (21642 posts) -
lordofultima said:
"If you don't like opinions maybe you shouldn't be in a "forum." Different strokes, man."
LOL, Lord, that's why I'm offering mine.  = D
I'm just jealous of your hoodie.  That's all.
#36 Posted by SpaceInsomniac (3556 posts) -
jakob187 said:
"Album is full of sloshy bullshit.  Axl needed to keep this album on indefinite hiatus, cancelled, fucking burned in a bonfire and trashed completely.
The fucking Spaghetti Incident was better than this shit!
"
Since when the hell is hateful trolling hyperbole worthy of + votes?  There were several posters that admitted to not liking the album, but no comment was voted + until a loudmouth spewed hateful exaggerations without even a hint of attempting to explain WHY they didn't like the album. 

If someone enters a thread and bashes the topic of the thread while not contributing anything that is remotely useful or thoughtfully critical, that is trolling.  It is not something that faceless morons should be encouraging.
#37 Posted by lordofultima (6208 posts) -

Well you'll be getting your chance to get a hoodie soon enough, you just have to drop like 50 bones. I suppose I should have known this would be a mostly negative thread. It's like heralding the coming of Duke Nukem Forever or something.

#38 Posted by JonathanMoore (1858 posts) -

I have not heard it yet, is it out now? better go pick it up...

-- God Bless.

#39 Posted by lvl10Wizard (326 posts) -
get2sammyb said:
"Ah-haha. As an avid hater of all things Guns And Roses (Slash or not) I look forward to taking a listen to this record. Just for the lolz."
Yep me too, I heard it yesterday, it blows hard.
#40 Posted by GweedyJ (87 posts) -
Well this album is just as i expected it to be....trash. Not worth the money they put in to make this. Also Axl needs a new hair cut.
#41 Posted by sionweeks (644 posts) -

I will be downloading it very soon.  Maybe tonight.  Although, I don't really want to.  I hate Axl Rose.

#42 Posted by jakob187 (21642 posts) -
SpaceInsomniac said:
"jakob187 said:
"Album is full of sloshy bullshit.  Axl needed to keep this album on indefinite hiatus, cancelled, fucking burned in a bonfire and trashed completely.
The fucking Spaghetti Incident was better than this shit!
"
Since when the hell is hateful trolling hyperbole worthy of + votes?  There were several posters that admitted to not liking the album, but no comment was voted + until a loudmouth spewed hateful exaggerations without even a hint of attempting to explain WHY they didn't like the album. 

If someone enters a thread and bashes the topic of the thread while not contributing anything that is remotely useful or thoughtfully critical, that is trolling.  It is not something that faceless morons should be encouraging."
It's me.  I hate everything, and pretty much everyone on these boards...including lord...knows that.
If you REALLY want me to offer my constructive opinion, I can do that...but it's not NEARLY as fun.  But, here goes:

The album is weak in general.  Axl's words aren't nearly as insightful and poignant as they were when Appetite or the Illusions came out.  Even on the softest songs from Illusions, you still felt like you were listening to ROCK.  On this, it feels more like Enya.  The fact that Axl would even go so far as to listing himself as rock and/or METAL (look at his MySpace) is beyond me, because when I listened to the record, I heard a bunch of wussy-ass piano, a song that might as well have been played from Bob Marley's ass, and a weak attempt to recreate "November Rain"...which would be "This I Love".  "Street of Dreams" is about the only song that even holds a candle to the previous Guns material, and that's probably because Bumblefoot's solo fucking SOARS on that track.

And that's the problem:  this album is all about the moments that Bumblefoot is allowed to come out of Axl's shadow and say "check this lick out, it's fuckin' sick".  The rest of it is incessant whining.  I will give you that Axl's voice sounds better at times on this album than it ever has, but nothing stands above "Don't Cry" or "Civil War".  I'm all for a band evolving their sound (I mean, my favorite band IS Tool, after all), but this form of evolution is a massive downgrade from what GnR used to be about:  the seedy underbelly of California, the lost love that will never return, the absence of unity in this world...and instead, it's been traded in for music that is half-hearted, mild slosh thrown onto a piece of plastic.

Axl could've released an all-piano and orchestra album after 10 years, and I wouldn't have honestly cared...as long as it was well-written.  Listen to the lyrics on "Better"...then compare them to any generic song from Hinder or Velvet Revolver or any other band getting played on the radio.  Even a track like "Chinese Democracy" fails miserably to be a good rock song, and instead, it follows the same generic pattern that everyone else is doing.  Granted, that may work to sell records, but we're talking about a band that has released a total of five albums (I'm not counting Live Era)...and all but one of those are classics (and the one being excluded is the shittiness that is The Spaghetti Incident).

Would the album had been better if Slash, Duff, and the rest of the crew were still there?  Probably, yeah.  The question really rises to being this:  is this a GUNS 'N' ROSES album?  That is basically the same question as saying is THE FRAGILE a NINE INCH NAILS album?  If Guns 'n' Roses has always been about Axl Rose and no one else, then I guess it is a Guns 'n' Roses album, and it's a poor one compared to his previous work.  If this is an Axl Rose album, then it's a totally different machine.

Had he not labeled it as a GUNS 'N' ROSES album...maybe I'd feel differently.  Unfortunately, that isn't the case.  This is NOT a Guns 'n' Roses album.  This is the Axl Rose show.
#43 Posted by lordofultima (6208 posts) -

Fallout 3 totally isn't "Fallout." But it's still awesome. Music is what it is, times change. This is a good album. Get in the Ring, that was some great lyrical content right there. One In A Million, don't get me started.

#44 Posted by Nifty_Shark (16 posts) -

It's nice to know what songs Axl influenced most on the Use Your Illusion albums. this is merely picking up from where he (not the band. I consider this a solo album) left off. Overall it's pretty good with a few bad songs. There are times where I have to laugh at his singing. People here complain that it's overproduced but that isn't a fair claim since UYI was the same in that department. At the end of the day I'm happy to hear Axl's work.

#45 Posted by HistoryInRust (6274 posts) -
lordofultima said:
"Buckethead is INFINITELY better than Slash, that's where you're wrong. To each his own. Where is Velvet Revolver, does anyone really care? No."
This statement alone warrants a friend request.
#46 Posted by TooWalrus (13136 posts) -

I like my classic rockers to sound... classic. Pick up the new 2008 Def Leppard album, it's great. The new Journey album is good too, fuck even the new AC/DC album wasn't terrible.

#47 Posted by jakob187 (21642 posts) -
TooWalrus said:
"I like my classic rockers to sound... classic. Pick up the new 2008 Def Leppard album, it's great. The new Journey album is good too, fuck even the new AC/DC album wasn't terrible."
AC/DC is NEVER terrible, even when they are sucking at writing the same song over and over *cough*BALLBREAKER*cough*.
Look, all I'm saying about this album is that if it were "Axl Rose - Chinese Democracy", I might be a little more receptive to it.  However, this is not Axl Rose Chinese Democracy.  This is Guns 'n' Roses - Chinese Democracy, and with that comes a set of expectations higher than anything I found on this album.  If I have to dull down my musical tastes in order to enjoy this revolting blob of pig vomit, then that alone tells me that it isn't a Guns 'n' Roses album...and even if it WAS an Axl Rose album, most of the arrangements don't feel organic or natural, but rather forced...making me far more uninterested in the album.

And YES, the album IS overproduced, but there have been plenty of times where that wasn't a bad thing (Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers' She's the One soundtrack anyone?).  Therefore, I never consider that an excuse.  Unfortunately, this is NOT one of those albums.

Maybe Axl just isn't aware that Appetite and the UYI albums hold up just as well today as they did when they were first released, and so he thought that he had to update his music to fit with the now somehow.

Meanwhile, AC/DC still kicks ass.  =  /  Such a shame.

This "GnR" album has no focus whatsoever, the arrangements are wretched and painful to watch progress, there's far too much sissy shit for the kind of guy that used to talk about doin' a little and then doin' a little mah-wah, and when the rock DOES kick in, it sounds like generic bullshit from the kind of dood that headed a forward-thinking band.

Here's the best way I can say it:  I would rather listen to the new Hinder album...




...and the new Buckcherry.
#48 Posted by TooWalrus (13136 posts) -

The new AC/DC album was good, even if every song is almost the same, and they completely sold out. But hey, they made it farther than Metallica did before selling out, so they have more of my respect.

#49 Edited by ferrarimanf355 (404 posts) -

The thing is, I made a bet that Duke Nukem Forever will come out before Chinese Democracy. Crap, now I owe a friend of mine from 8th grade $20... now I need to track him down and hope he isn't charging interest...

roushimsx , the album is also available on iTunes...

#50 Posted by AhmadMetallic (18955 posts) -

i got it the other day, you reminded me to listen to it so i am now

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