Piracy in my eyes is down to the lack of care developers give to games on the PC and while I will always without fail buy a Valve game off of Steam, I will more than likely pirate a game before buying it. I have been burnt too many times by games which are so damn expensive these days that when I'm only able to afford one game a month or so due to lots of bills and the goverment taking away part of my wage for Tax, I don't care for buying a bad game after reading good reviews and then wasting all that money. Also what I don't get is how many games seem to come out without a good demo and it's like how else am I going to see if I like the game to buy it or not? How am I gonna know if the game runs well on my system because there are so many bad ports like GTA and Saints Row 2 these days?

I think Piracy is just due to the lazyness of developers.

Companies like Blizzard and Valve put the time in to make polished PC titles and their work always pays off for them because they offer great polished games with a great service like Steam or Battle.net that everyone is happy with. However you get these other companies that put in minimal effort and give a bad port and offer bad services like Rockstar social club or Games for Windows Live and expect us to put up with that. I'm sick of trying to play games online with the whole GFWL thing because they always seem to have that same naff server browser setup that makes it impossible to enjoy the online portion. 

So Yes I pirate games but you know what the games I don't buy are because they're bad and that'll teach the company a lesson to make good games, good ports and put the time in and if they don't then I don't wish to see them make PC games ever again.

What I'll always do though is buy the games I think are good to reward the developer! I just wish'd EA would release their games for the UK over Steam.

Is it safe for me to say "inb4lock?"

Congratz, you are not the only one and all this thread will ever do is start flame wars.

I Pirate games, so what?

"Is it safe for me to say "inb4lock?""

I think Piracy is just due to the lazyness of developers.

This thread is original and game-changing.

Seriously. You're saying things that have all been said before. I'm fine with your reasoning- a judge in a music case recently ruled that illegal downloads do not necessarily equate lost sales, so that every single download could not be used separately in court. But I digress.

This thread will now degenerate into a bunch of totalitarian self-righteous idiots telling you how wrong you are, that you're somehow killing gaming. Don't listen to them.

I'm out.

That brought a tear to my eye.   YoU sIr aRe My HeRo.

"This thread is original and game-changing.

Seriously. You're saying things that have all been said before. I'm fine with your reasoning- a judge in a music case recently ruled that illegal downloads do not necessarily equate lost sales, so that every single download could not be used separately in court. But I digress.

This thread will now degenerate into a bunch of totalitarian self-righteous idiots telling you how wrong you are, that you're somehow killing gaming. Don't listen to them.

I'm out."

"RHCPfan24 said:

"Is it safe for me to say "inb4lock?""

I'd rather you try to turn it in to to some sort of decent conversation.

If you can't manage that (as with many previous threads on the topic) - then you might be right.

"

"Not at all. The gaming industry will go on without him. I'm telling him how little respect he has for the economic system, and that I hope he goes to prison."

The person who wants to benefit from his labor.

You have to put that blame on the developers at least somewhat. Take EA for example, many of their games are easy to pirate. I won't go into detail of what games and how, but they are pretty easy to get without much trouble. Piracy will never end, but it could be managed.

"The person who wants to benefit from his labor."

"Bellum said:

"The person who wants to benefit from his labor."

That goes both ways."

What I'll always do though is buy the games I think are good to reward the developer!

"This thread is original and game-changing.

Seriously. You're saying things that have all been said before. I'm fine with your reasoning- a judge in a music case recently ruled that illegal downloads do not necessarily equate lost sales, so that every single download could not be used separately in court. But I digress.

This thread will now degenerate into a bunch of totalitarian self-righteous idiots telling you how wrong you are, that you're somehow killing gaming. Don't listen to them.

I'm out."

Piracy is one of the reasons PC gaming is in a decline. Some developers have said that they choose consoles for this reason. Your not making it any better for PC gaming. 

"You have to put that blame on the developers at least somewhat. Take EA for example, many of their games are easy to pirate. I won't go into detail of what games and how, but they are pretty easy to get without much trouble. Piracy will never end, but it could be managed."

Well, uhh... I don't?

yea so what? like i care you pirate games.

"Karmum said:

"You have to put that blame on the developers at least somewhat. Take EA for example, many of their games are easy to pirate. I won't go into detail of what games and how, but they are pretty easy to get without much trouble. Piracy will never end, but it could be managed."

How is it the developer's fault that their game can be pirated? There is no possible way to prevent people from pirating a game."

I pirate music, I do NOT pirate games. Game developers are real people, they have families and kids to feed, artists are grossly over-paid and are not suffering from my lack of purchasing their music.

"I pirate music, I do NOT pirate games. Game developers are real people, they have families and kids to feed, artists are grossly over-paid and are not suffering from my lack of purchasing their music."

"I pirate music, I do NOT pirate games. Game developers are real people, they have families and kids to feed, artists are grossly over-paid and are not suffering from my lack of purchasing their music."

"Gizmo said:

"I pirate music, I do NOT pirate games. Game developers are real people, they have families and kids to feed, artists are grossly over-paid and are not suffering from my lack of purchasing their music."

Oh boy. That's like saying you pirate games and not music because execs at companies like EA are overpaid."

I'm just making a point that the industry is to blame and not the people who download them.

"I'm just making a point that the industry is to blame and not the people who download them."

To blame for what? To blame for their games being pirated, or to blame for their games not selling well? Pirates are most certainly responsible for their own actions, as are the devs. Games that don't sell well generally don't sell well because A) People don't like it B) The budget was unrealistic given the developers ability to sell the game, or C) because nobody knows about it (also in relation to B, if a developer cannot advertise their game, they should plan accordingly).

"Gizmo said:

"I pirate music, I do NOT pirate games. Game developers are real people, they have families and kids to feed, artists are grossly over-paid and are not suffering from my lack of purchasing their music."

Because the people editing the music, overseeing the art and production, and doing all of the other menial jobs surrounding the recording and production of record albums are all grossly overpaid and living rich, right? If you're going to be a hypocrite, come up with something a little less transparent than that."

"gunswordfist said:

"Gizmo said:

"I pirate music, I do NOT pirate games. Game developers are real people, they have families and kids to feed, artists are grossly over-paid and are not suffering from my lack of purchasing their music."

Oh boy. That's like saying you pirate games and not music because execs at companies like EA are overpaid."

Also, there is a lot of difference between something which has taken years to produce and something which lasts for 180 seconds, i'm not paying 79p for 180 seconds of sound.
I did purchase Mothership by Led Zeppelin though, that was totally worth it."

I think we can all learn a lesson from bad educational videos from the early 90s. Edit: Dang. It posted twice.

"Piracy in my eyes is down to the lack of care developers give to games on the PC and while I will always without fail buy a Valve game off of Steam, I will more than likely pirate a game before buying it. I have been burnt too many times by games which are so damn expensive these days that when I'm only able to afford one game a month or so due to lots of bills and the goverment taking away part of my wage for Tax, I don't care for buying a bad game after reading good reviews and then wasting all that money. Also what I don't get is how many games seem to come out without a good demo and it's like how else am I going to see if I like the game to buy it or not? How am I gonna know if the game runs well on my system because there are so many bad ports like GTA and Saints Row 2 these days?

I think Piracy is just due to the lazyness of developers.

Companies like Blizzard and Valve put the time in to make polished PC titles and their work always pays off for them because they offer great polished games with a great service like Steam or Battle.net that everyone is happy with. However you get these other companies that put in minimal effort and give a bad port and offer bad services like Rockstar social club or Games for Windows Live and expect us to put up with that. I'm sick of trying to play games online with the whole GFWL thing because they always seem to have that same naff server browser setup that makes it impossible to enjoy the online portion. 

So Yes I pirate games but you know what the games I don't buy are because they're bad and that'll teach the company a lesson to make good games, good ports and put the time in and if they don't then I don't wish to see them make PC games ever again.

What I'll always do though is buy the games I think are good to reward the developer! I just wish'd EA would release their games for the UK over Steam."

I pirate games all the time. But I've also got a stack of not pirated XBOX 360 games (like 80 of them) and hundreds of other not pirated games. It's all about moderation baby. Buying stuff off steam is just dumb though. No Box? Whaa?

wait...you won't spend the money on a game, and the developer is lazy?

Do what you want, I've pirated games before, but whenever I play the game, It feels "dirtier"

So it's illegal, that's what.

Well I can ride my bike with no handlebars, no handlebars.

though i do not agree with your morrals of illigicity, i do think you may be on to something. When developers put time and effort into stuff it usualy does not have this issue. although this will probaly be locked because it is in clear violation of the rules.

WANNA FIGHT BOUT' IT?!

"though i do not agree with your morrals of illigicity, i do think you may be on to something. When developers put time and effort into stuff it usualy does not have this issue. although this will probaly be locked because it is in clear violation of the rules."

Don't.  Don't you realize that game developers are real people?  You buying the game directly relates to them keeping their job.

Music is different I'd say as when you buy a record you're essentially supporting record companies with overpaid employees.  You support the actual musician by going to the concerts.
That and the fact that there's really not many people involved in the production of music.
And you know what I've realized about music recently?  Professional music is not better than amateur music.  go to the audio portal of newgrounds for proof

"I think we can all learn a lesson from bad educational videos from the early 90s. Edit: Dang. It posted twice.

  

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"I'm just making a point that the industry is to blame and not the people who download them."

I think the charges on piraters are exorbitant, I mean honestly people who pirate wouldn't have bought the items anyway so there are no real damages to collect on. I hope that one day we have some sort of system in place wherein there can be wider legal access to content after a certain number of sales so that people who want it bad enough and want to do things legally can buy it in the first year of release and then after that it's fair game.

"Gizmo said:

"I pirate music, I do NOT pirate games. Game developers are real people, they have families and kids to feed, artists are grossly over-paid and are not suffering from my lack of purchasing their music."

Because the people editing the music, overseeing the art and production, and doing all of the other menial jobs surrounding the recording and production of record albums are all grossly overpaid and living rich, right? If you're going to be a hypocrite, come up with something a little less transparent than that."

I think the charges on piraters are exorbitant, I mean honestly people who pirate wouldn't have bought the items anyway

I hope that one day we have some sort of system in place wherein there can be wider legal access to content after a certain number of sales so that people who want it bad enough and want to do things legally can buy it in the first year of release and then after that it's fair game.

Criminals often try to justify their actions.

Quick someone log the IP's of those admitting it and send them in to the appropriate authority .   Fucking Theives .