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@shalashaskauk666 said:

Mainly, the game's own title screen doesn't make sense! Showing Jensen facing off against what looks like a clone

No, what that is supposed to represent is Jensen's human side (right side), and augmented side (left side), as a part of the story is the struggle between augmented and 'naturals'. Jensen didn't 'ask' to be augmented, and to some extent, it's about what side Jensen is really on since he can see both sides.

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I saved like, every five minutes or so. It wasn't easy for me to miss any, though I was always slightly hesitant to move on when the prompt came up asking that if I really wanted to move on, since it will lock any side missions in progress. In the last hour or so of the game, that's when I checked if I had missed anything, and I had only missed two of the point of interests where you give people neuropozyne, which is nothing important really. I'm curious how you ran into it, and which side mission. Did you check to see if you missed anything like myself, and noticed you actually did, now you are bummed out that you didn't do it? To be honest, nothing in it is that important.

Edit - Never mind, read the reply of what you were talking about. Yeah, don't worry about it.

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@bisonhero: I didn't connect it until now (which, is similar to how I didn't connect the characters in The Fall, which I just played last month), but Missing Link also connects to stuff that happens in Mankind Divided. Eh, anyways, I'm talking about the guy that does the shop, Garvin Quinn (which works for the the Juggernaut Collective). He pretended to be someone he wasn't, yeah, but it doesn't mean it wasn't a less-than-good voice. He changes it to his real accent in the end, which is much better, but still. Oh, but yeah, as a DLC, that would be awkward I suppose, but I think in case of it being a stand alone thing, you're not necessarily supposed to look at the progress you make in the main game compared to the DLC. It doesn't entirely fit into the HR story, but it does for the overall Deus Ex story, though it does seem kind of weird since it's placed where it's placed.

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@bisonhero: Should have replied to this in that previous message... Oh well. Anyways, if I remember correctly (as I had only played the DLC through the Director's Cut), you collect everything you lost from a cache, be it weapons and praxis points at the very end of the DLC. To me, it's a bit too long honestly, but I think it fits okay into it all. That guy that voices the most important character in it is voiced badly though. Also, if I remember correctly (again), you lose all your powers because they were fiddling with your body and augs at the start when you sat in the chair.

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No, I did everything and it's not 12 hours (I mean, taking in all the exploring that can be done). It's around 20 - 30, but yeah, compared to Human Revolution (which is around the same length), considering you are in Prague for most of the game, and there are only about 15 side missions, it feels kind of short. I don't feel like the game was cut short, but I did come away from it a bit disappointed because it feels like it's made so another sequel comes into play, and I just don't want to wait for more Deus Ex. Honestly, weirdly maybe, playing through it, it doesn't make me want to play through it again (well, it kind of does), but it does make me want to play through the first Deus Ex, with the Revision mod. Not sure about anyone else, but I also love the first Deus Ex and Invisible War, and knowing how it all ends kind of saddens me. I like Adam Jensen too. I kind of want them to bring him into the JC Denton time, kind of like Old Snake if you will, and do something with that, like reveal he had a hand in something that takes place then.

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So, I just beat it (actually, I just saw the mid-credits cutscene as I type). Yeah, the story and the fact you don't go to as many interesting places was disappointing. The game doesn't make as huge an impression as HR did, but I still thought it was great. The story had some cool moments, and I liked the new characters, and liked that older characters were brought back, but it, like the story, doesn't go far enough, where I would have liked to see more of it. I felt the story went on too slowly, as if the purpose was to keep some for a sequel, and maybe another: the first act of a trilogy. I checked, and I did all the side missions, and I thought they were a bit better than what HR had, though it seemed like there were less of them. Aside from controls, tweaks/additions to the mechanics here and there, and the way you can go about the environments which was a little more vertical, felt darn near exactly like HR. I didn't get into much shooting action, as I played all stealthy, so I don't know how much better the shooting is. I mainly played stealthily because I had the feeling it'd hinder some story moment, which I didn't think about when I went through HR, and that's probably not the case here either. While I am not necessarily disappointed in it overall, I will be disappointed if it takes another five years for a sequel. The game was great, though yeah, disappointing in some key aspects. Cool setting, and fine story, just not enough of it. Everything else was great I think; equal to or better than HR. I played Human Revolution through a few times, but I don't know if I'll do that with this game unfortunately.

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@wemibelec90: It's probably because there weren't that many stores and what have you in Hengsha and Detroit, and though they were somewhat big areas, they weren't as jam packed with stuff. Most of the places in HR were major places you go to for either main or side missions, in Prague, a lot of the places don't have much meaning aside from exploring them. And yeah, you just upgrade Jensen the same. I also find that I've already upgraded him to the extent I need to do everything I want in the game, when in HR, I remember having to think a bit more about it. I like Prague well enough, same as I did Hengsha and Detroit, but exploring them isn't really my favorite parts of the game, especially when it comes to backtracking through areas to do side missions.

@mirado: Yeah, pretty much. It's just about how much you want to play another Human Revolution with a few differences here and there, and depending on your opinion, some better and some worse parts to it. That said, the game played on console feels a bit better, at least to me, because with the controller, with HR, it was a toggle R3 to aim down sights. I don't really mind that, but I do much prefer LT/L2 hold. It controls like a better game here, even if only slightly. It's really just a lot of very small additions, like now being able to move cover to cover the way you do.

@stonyman65: Again, 'raspy' Batman voice is the real voice of the voice actor. Doesn't mean it's better for it, but still. I think they wanted his voice because it's similar to JC Denton's to some extent. Also, I care about Invisible War, I really liked it, and to me, it's a dour ending. It's kind of sad to see where it goes, but I was just thinking that they could add in a game where Jensen is still alive and old by the time Deus Ex occurs, and some stuff is added in that the player never knew as it's from his perspective.

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@shivermetimbers: Yeah, that's one of those things though. It's not a big issue to me personally. It's kind of like when you're in the Task Force HQ, and you can hack every single computer right in front of the person that uses it. MacCready--someone that isn't so sure about Jensen--was walking back to his computer, looking straight at me as I hacked his computer, and read his emails. He did nothing, he just sat down and started working once I got up. There are only a few instances that they take it seriously, but most of the time it's awkwardly lax when it should always realistically be an issue. It's that they didn't want to go that far with the A.I. because they wanted to keep it fun, but to me, that doesn't really break the experience overall in other places. The story is really related to what Deus Ex has always been about, which is conspiracy, Illuminati stuff. It's interesting in the way of government control, if you look at it in that way, the issues between aug and human is just a part of the world they're in, and you're experiencing: the events of that time period; it's really the backdrop. It's not really garbled whatsoever if you're paying attention.

Take the Illuminati aspect out, and you have the typical story about government control without societal knowledge, but from the get-go (the first Deus Ex), it's done well and has me interested, and I especially love seeing old characters in this. I like Adam Jensen, and I think I like him a bit more in this, that said, that is Elias Toufexis' real voice, but I agree that he could use a little more range. It's possible that it was intentional though. I think whether Jensen is for or against the Augs is a struggle for him as he 'didn't ask' to be augmented, but it also comes down to player choice. Also, playing on PS4, there's not really any bugs. There have been a couple. One of which is clipping of the A.I. when they're dead, or two instances when an enemy went through a wall, or near an elevator they're weren't meant to me. Also, in the beginning, you walk into a building and there's a telescope, I looked into it, and it was impossible to exit it, so I had to reload the save. Otherwise it's totally fine.