Konami Not Patching Silent Hill HD on Xbox 360 Because, Well, It's Hard

#101 Posted by Shaunage (795 posts) -

Microsoft needs to seriously rethink its title update process and, really, the entire cert procedure, before giving us another console and eight more years of this bullshit.

#102 Posted by Shivoa (679 posts) -

Just a reminder to everyone that you have rights as consumers and if a product sold is defective then you have the right to demand a full refund. Don't accept this kind of thing if you got a glitchy game and held on because a patch was coming. If you are told you cannot get a refund then talk to your local equivalent of the Citizens Advice Bureaux about what rights you have to recourse based on being sold a faulty product. It's only because they think they can get away with it that Konami is doing this, make your voice heard by getting your money back and pointing to this reason if required to explain your return.

#103 Posted by Bumbuliuz (211 posts) -

I'm so glad I skipped the HD collection and Downpour. Won't be giving Konami any money for anything Silent Hill related for a while. Metal Gear Solid is another matter :)

Unless they stuff it up of course, can't understand how the MGS HD collection came out so good and the SH HD so bad.

#104 Posted by KaneRobot (2175 posts) -
Yeah, unless you wnt to play a much better game like Skyrim.
 
@JustinAquarius said:

PS3 is looking like the better console each day.

#105 Posted by big_jon (6155 posts) -

So it seems like with one guy publicly saying 'no patch' due to Microsoft's making it a challenge, that more may start following suit?

Microsoft better start stepping up their game, the 360 could very well be their PS2 if they don't.

I mean look at XBL, the value is so low right now compared to all the other options out there (PSN/Steam), don't get me wrong I like XBL but it is seeming less, and less worth paying for, and as someone who has paid for it for well over 7 years, I am not even paying for it right now.

#106 Posted by DukesT3 (1985 posts) -

Well tough shit.

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#107 Posted by Brodehouse (10520 posts) -

@KaneRobot said:

Yeah, unless you wnt to play a much better game like Skyrim.

Skyrim is not better than Silent Hill 2.

#108 Posted by probablytuna (4167 posts) -

This is really poo.

#109 Posted by ArchTeckGuru8 (238 posts) -

People should be able to return this game for a full refund then.

#110 Posted by Little_Socrates (5834 posts) -

Yeah, that's pretty depressing news. Konami needs a feel-good story outside of CastleVania these days.

#111 Posted by Yummylee (23265 posts) -

Well, dip. I have no intention on buying them anyway because I've already got the ps2 versions, and SH3 doesn't have the original voice work so I'm perfectly fine in sticking with the originals. That's still some sucky news all the same, though. Have they even released that Downpour patch?

#112 Posted by Godlyawesomeguy (6420 posts) -

@ZombiePie said:

This article has been attached to the Feces concept page and judging by Twitter that was intentional:

Sounds about right for such a story.

#113 Posted by LibrorumProhibitorum (413 posts) -

Would this be because of Microsoft's patching process? Like if it adds/changes certain stuff you're not allowed to distribute it as a patch or something?

#114 Posted by thatdutchguy (1294 posts) -

Did anyone buy the game then ? no one who plays on 360 cares about silent hill anyway. 
 
and who is this GreenMan you dudes keep talkin about that's  selling games ? 

#115 Edited by Kosayn (462 posts) -

Ah, it's too hard to be angry while looking at a picture of the dog ending. Why bother.

But I wonder if at some point in the future one of the closed gaming platforms could involve the community in patching buggy games. I mean, on the PC, if your game is fucked, it's the best place for official fixes. And it's just about the only place where the user can go in and fix the code themselves without breaking the law.

I didn't think wikis would work either, until they did. Vandals and cheaters exist, and do cause problems in open platforms, but overall they produce less content than constructive people.

Probably nothing like that will happen until game design gets even less technical.

#116 Posted by KaneRobot (2175 posts) -

Konami can fuck right off. I'd say I'll "never buy a Konami game again" but I already haven't for years now, so I guess I'll DOUBLE not buy them now. Yeah, that'll show 'em.

What's with all the people blaming this on Microsoft? Even if the patch costs are extreme, what, Konami doesn't have the resources to take care of it? Yeah, right. This is a large, large pile of fucking bullshit and it's squarely and solely due to Konami.

#117 Posted by SethPhotopoulos (5772 posts) -

@jayjonesjunior said:

@MongoosePL said:

@mcmax3000 said:

Fuck Konami. I would say I'll never buy their games anymore, but I honestly don't think I've purchased a Konami game this generation.

I would perhaps reconsider my console choice instead. Sure, Konami shipped a broken product, and that's not to be commended... But it's interesting how there have been more and more problems with publishing and maintenance on the Xbox lately.

buy a PC then cuz PS3 owners have bethesda fucking them over too.

Then you have to worry about poor PC ports. It's a vicious cycle.

#118 Posted by spilledmilkfactory (2049 posts) -

One, that's gotta be the greatest thumbnail image I've ever seen for an article anywhere. And two, who the fuck is in charge at Konami? They have made perhaps the most inept series of business decisions of any company over the last console generation.

#119 Posted by P_Pigly_Hogswine (104 posts) -

Phil Fish understands.

#120 Posted by MosaicM80 (309 posts) -

@SethPhotopoulos said:

@jayjonesjunior said:

@MongoosePL said:

@mcmax3000 said:

Fuck Konami. I would say I'll never buy their games anymore, but I honestly don't think I've purchased a Konami game this generation.

I would perhaps reconsider my console choice instead. Sure, Konami shipped a broken product, and that's not to be commended... But it's interesting how there have been more and more problems with publishing and maintenance on the Xbox lately.

buy a PC then cuz PS3 owners have bethesda fucking them over too.

Then you have to worry about poor PC ports. It's a vicious cycle.

Indeed, the PC's port of LA Noire was pretty shitty. Plus the whole no Red Dead Redemption thing. Still not sure why RDR "isn't viable" on the PC according to Rockstar. As much as I think competition is a good thing, I sometimes wish it was easier to just decide on one gaming platform.

#121 Posted by ZmillA (2346 posts) -

This story has an inaccuracy. The ps3 started version off with more problems than the 360 one.

#122 Posted by Godzilla_Sushi (1146 posts) -

@Shaunage said:

Microsoft needs to seriously rethink its title update process and, really, the entire cert procedure, before giving us another console and eight more years of this bullshit.

Every game company seems to have cracked the code for updating their games over the past eight years. The only reason anyone is talking about it now is because it's the new hotness post-Fez.

I guess I have to ask, do you take the Konami video game company on their word no matter what?

#123 Posted by Undeadpool (5234 posts) -

Seriously? TWO developers in EIGHT years (both with spotty-at-best track records), and suddenly it's Microsoft's fault???

@Yummylee said:

Well, dip. I have no intention on buying them anyway because I've already got the ps2 versions, and SH3 doesn't have the original voice work so I'm perfectly fine in sticking with the originals. That's still some sucky news all the same, though. Have they even released that Downpour patch?

Dip indeed.

#124 Posted by omeganightmare (31 posts) -

Man, that is just ridiculous

#125 Posted by Gordo789 (364 posts) -

Oh Konami, you rascals. Way to fuck over all the poor bastards who bought your shitty silent hill collection.

#126 Posted by MetalGearSunny (7465 posts) -

Well that's fucked

#127 Posted by Turkalurch (207 posts) -

Hmm. Second Xbox 360 game update denied. Too expensive for Fez and lack of resources for Silent Hill HD. HmmmMMMMmmmm.

#128 Posted by gaminghooligan (1699 posts) -

well konami that's why I sold your shitty, buggy, laggy, not HD but should be HD game on Ebay.

#129 Posted by MariachiMacabre (7097 posts) -

Patrick that dig at Konami with the trademark stuff was pretty great. Bravo.

#130 Posted by Lulzalot (4 posts) -

Sounds more like a case of not caring rather then development issues.

I don't particulary like the 360, but it's usually the PS3 that developers complain about when it comes to development difficulty.

Regardless, it's been six years, any 3rd party developer worth their salt should know both these systems inside and out by this time in their life cycle. It's unexcusable and unfair to those that bought the game.

#131 Posted by HKZ (71 posts) -

Looks like giving up on the Xbox as a useful gaming platform continues to be the best choice I made after buying it. Now I don't feel so bad about wasting that money, it proves to be more and more worthless as time goes on. Shame I bought the thing, I didn't expect Microsoft to try and fuck the consumer and developers every chance they get. Wish I had bought a better videocard for my PC instead. :/

#132 Posted by Zleunamme (769 posts) -

That really sucks, the collection has been delayed so many times. To release a defective product and just say they can't do anything about it is unacceptable. I still have the discs for the original games but I feel bad Xbox owners. They should have the chance to play SH2 & SH3 as much I did.

#133 Edited by Godlyawesomeguy (6420 posts) -

@HKZ said:

Looks like giving up on the Xbox as a useful gaming platform continues to be the best choice I made after buying it. Now I don't feel so bad about wasting that money, it proves to be more and more worthless as time goes on. Shame I bought the thing, I didn't expect Microsoft to try and fuck the consumer and developers every chance they get. Wish I had bought a better videocard for my PC instead. :/

So, what you're saying is- because of this one game, the Xbox is a useless platform? Bit of an overreaction, and towards the wrong people entirely; this is completely Konami's fault.

@MosaicM80 said:

Indeed, the PC's port of LA Noire was pretty shitty.

Woah, which PC port of L.A. Noire did you play? The one I played was fine.

#134 Posted by Psykhophear (1137 posts) -

Oh Konami, why are so careless with Silent Hill? What could've been a legendary series is now a complete joke.

I'll just stick with the original PlayStation 2 games. They may not be HD but hey, at least they work.

#135 Posted by jasondesante (617 posts) -

yay gangrape microsoft! :D

#136 Posted by jasonefmonk (371 posts) -

Wow that's really shitty. I have no interest those games, but when Bethesda has the same problem in reverse (issues on PS3, fine on 360) they aren't even going to release until Dawnguard works properly. I'm pretty sure Konami and Bluepoint issued one or more patches for the Metal Gear Solid HD Collection on both consoles, what's so difficult about doing it here?

#137 Posted by Sooty (8195 posts) -

I didn't know Phil Fish worked at Konami. I wonder if him doing that with Fez is opening the floodgates.

#138 Posted by paulunga (2350 posts) -

Wow. Fucking great. I pre-ordered the 360 version, assuming I could catch up on what's arguably a total classic and what I get is a broken product that they're not willing to patch. That thing's going back and I sure as hell won't get the PS3 version. I might pirate the PS2 version though, who knows.

#139 Edited by Xymox (2151 posts) -

@jasonefmonk said:

Wow that's really shitty. I have no interest those games, but when Bethesda has the same problem in reverse (issues on PS3, fine on 360) they aren't even going to release until Dawnguard works properly. I'm pretty sure Konami and Bluepoint issued one or more patches for the Metal Gear Solid HD Collection on both consoles, what's so difficult about doing it here?

Keep in mind they've (konami) already released the game, and there's nothing to say they have to support their product post release at all. It's common sense that they should, if they fucked up, but they're not required to. What Bethesda is doing is smart in that regard, because they can still work on the game and get paid for it, as it hasn't been released yet on the PS3. There's a whole company side of things behind it where they have to figure out things like "OK, do we assign people to work on this game we've already released and people bought, and try to figure these problems out when we will get no profit from doing so?". Bethesda instead is just polishing the final product prior to release to avoid the issues from last time.

#140 Posted by Droop (1924 posts) -

RIP video games

#141 Posted by Binarynova (155 posts) -

Also, because it's so expensive. Am I right?

@Zabant said:

This is one of the first realisations I have seen of my biggest fear during the current generation. Game companies no longer have to worry about getting games out the door working and of a high quality, and people accept it because, HEY PATCH IN THE WORKS.

Well guess what, there isn't one, they have your money, nyah nyah.

Disgusting, and I predict the first of many such cases.

Yeah. If this becomes a trend: ugh.

#142 Posted by Hunkadunkasaurus (233 posts) -

@Xeirus: Yeah. I don't really mean to completely shit on any console. I think each console has nice games for them... But in a perfect world I would go 100% PC gaming all the time. It's just a shame that nearly the entire world of video game development sees PC gaming as a third class citizen.

#143 Posted by oldjack327 (140 posts) -

I'm.... I'm at a loss for words. Seriously, what the fuck! Well, not that I needed too many more excuses, but I don't think I'll be buying any more new Konami products any time soon. Seriously, that's horrible! Thank God I still have Silent Hill 2 for the original Xbox and Silent Hill 3 for the PS2. I feel awful for the all of the people with 360's who bought this and are left with a buggy mess.

#144 Posted by jaks (257 posts) -

What a weird situation to be in. To make the conscious decision to fuck your loyal fans in their collective asses to save a little money.

#145 Posted by MrKlorox (11142 posts) -

And yet they still chose to use the term "title update," which is the Microsoft way of saying patch, for the PS3 fix.

#146 Posted by AbeBroHamLincon (92 posts) -

lol Konami you dog you ;-)

#147 Posted by LegendaryChopChop (1319 posts) -

Konami has been terrible since the PS2 launched. Something big has to change. This is just a terrible thing to do to consumers and fans.

#148 Posted by Smokey_Earhole (474 posts) -
@Turhaya

Konami let a busted version of the game collection go gold and get out the door. Unfortunately not as rare as it should be. The release quality of a game should be higher regardless whether or not day zero patches are the status quo.

In the other corner you have what is basically Microsoft's taxation of game patches and DLC. The idea was allegedly one of quality control, yet I've only seen these policies do more harm than good. Instead of sticking to their guns that acted to discourage poorly developed titles, wouldn't it be better to allow these types of patches gratis of releases on their system, and therefore elevate the brand as a whole?

"Technical issues and resources", whichever company is more at fault, still doesn't serve the customers that fuel their business. Build a better product and for heaven's sake let those people improve their product easily! Maybe there really were unsolvable technical issues. My bet's on money.

A more nuanced perspective, apart from the majority of knee-jerk reactions here. Please understand that Konami made a vile move - but it's Microsoft facilitating said vile move with a conceptually sound but ultimately broken system. It doesn't make Konami's decision amy less problematic, but the blame should be placed accordingly.
#149 Posted by DeF (5216 posts) -

@Talis12 said:

oh fuck.. they pulled a Fez

yup and in their case it really is absolutely inexcusable.

#150 Posted by phrali (677 posts) -

the whole argument about whether the 360 or the ps3 is more difficult to develop for is just stupid at this point. Both of these systems have been out for like 20 years. If you havent figured them out by now, you should just give up, stop making excuses, and start making flash games instead

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