So, what do you guys think of this? Square needs to get their act together. They need to start bringing out PS3 titles simultaneously with the 360. There are 2.5 million PS3s in Japan while there are 800,000 360s, so I think not delaying the PS3 version will be a good thing for them. 

http://chartget.blogspot.com/2008/11/japan-square-enix-2008-unit-sales-down.html

I think that this is what happens when you do the same thing for more than a decade.

"So, what do you guys think of this? Square needs to get their act together. They need to start bringing out PS3 titles simultaneously with the 360. There are 2.5 million PS3s in Japan while there are 800,000 360s, so I think not delaying the PS3 version will be a good thing for them. 

http://chartget.blogspot.com/2008/11/japan-square-enix-2008-unit-sales-down.html"

"Throne said:

"So, what do you guys think of this? Square needs to get their act together. They need to start bringing out PS3 titles simultaneously with the 360. There are 2.5 million PS3s in Japan while there are 800,000 360s, so I think not delaying the PS3 version will be a good thing for them. 

http://chartget.blogspot.com/2008/11/japan-square-enix-2008-unit-sales-down.html"

But I don't think this is happening exclusively because of the lack of ps3 support. It is to some degree, but I don't think that the general quality of the las two 360 games were a lot of help. I can't say anything about profit because I haven't seen the number, but they haven't been very well loved, neither by critics nor by gamers."

this does not surprise me a bit

"Throne said:

"So, what do you guys think of this? Square needs to get their act together. They need to start bringing out PS3 titles simultaneously with the 360. There are 2.5 million PS3s in Japan while there are 800,000 360s, so I think not delaying the PS3 version will be a good thing for them. 

http://chartget.blogspot.com/2008/11/japan-square-enix-2008-unit-sales-down.html"

But I don't think this is happening exclusively because of the lack of ps3 support. It is to some degree, but I don't think that the general quality of the las two 360 games were a lot of help. I can't say anything about profit because I haven't seen the number, but they haven't been very well loved, neither by critics nor by gamers."

Well we haven't seen a "real" Dragon Quest game on Wii yet, either...

"zitosilva said:

"Throne said:

"So, what do you guys think of this? Square needs to get their act together. They need to start bringing out PS3 titles simultaneously with the 360. There are 2.5 million PS3s in Japan while there are 800,000 360s, so I think not delaying the PS3 version will be a good thing for them. 

http://chartget.blogspot.com/2008/11/japan-square-enix-2008-unit-sales-down.html"

But I don't think this is happening exclusively because of the lack of ps3 support. It is to some degree, but I don't think that the general quality of the las two 360 games were a lot of help. I can't say anything about profit because I haven't seen the number, but they haven't been very well loved, neither by critics nor by gamers."

It isn't a problem with PS3 support, it's a problem with SquareEnix support. They are not good game developers and so they do not make money. If you believe they used to have talent, so be it. But they lost any and all of it, long ago."

Profits will go back up whenever the next Final Fantasy games release.

Seriously though they released fewer games this year than last year, which is one reason why sales are down comparatively.  Also, this is in Japan. The sales for the 360 just started to increase significantly in the last few months there and some of the few games they released this year happened to be 360 exclusives.

Bring out a FFVII remake! Done!

"Profits will go back up whenever the next Final Fantasy games release.

Seriously though they released fewer games this year than last year, which is one reason why sales are down comparatively.  Also, this is in Japan. The sales for the 360 just started to increase significantly in the last few months there and some of the few games they released this year happened to be 360 exclusives."

"Profits will go back up whenever the next Final Fantasy games release.

Seriously though they released fewer games this year than last year, which is one reason why sales are down comparatively.  Also, this is in Japan. The sales for the 360 just started to increase significantly in the last few months there and some of the few games they released this year happened to be 360 exclusives."

I'm glad, I hope it goes down even further. They've been releasing nothing but complete shit, and I feel nothing for this.

I guess that's what happens when you release fuck all.

"I think that this is what happens when you do the same thing for more than a decade."

it is not only the releases.

The PS3 Crowd is hungry for Jrpg's the 360 crowd is not.
It is that simple.

They are not trying to sell to the market that actually want the Jrpg's instead they are going for the 360 market that already have a few Good Jrpg's to tie them over.

Who ever is in charge over there is somewhat of a moron.
Basic Business 1o1 says that you sell to the people who wants your crap instead of selling them to the saturated market.

"I'm glad, I hope it goes down even further. They've been releasing nothing but complete shit, and I feel nothing for this."

I'm still a fan of Square Enix, though they need to rein in their quality control.  Some of the issues with Last Remnant and Infinite Undiscovery held the games back, while a lack of strong PR work for either game kept them from the mainstream.

With FFXIII on the horizon, I imagine their profits will soar through the roof.

a lot of game developers are going through rough times. if theyre anything like most corporations, theyll blame the consumers.

However, its good. This will force them to innovate and to actually do what people WANT. Also, I personally hate Final Fantasy, so maybe theyll make something that im interested in. Maybe another Bushido Blade? Id buy that.

" Now they're shoveling unfinished, untested crap for 360 and DS and wondering why the market is the way it is. "

They really should get out a fixed Last Remnant out for the ps3. I'm gonna get Valkyria Chronicles anyway, someone has to start giving RPG loving to the ps3 ASAP.

That's what happens when you don't release a Final Fantasy.

"They really should get out a fixed Last Remnant out for the ps3. I'm gonna get Valkyria Chronicles anyway, someone has to start giving RPG loving to the ps3 ASAP."

No Final Fantasy

"That's what happens when you don't release a Final Fantasy."

"No Final Fantasy"

"AndrewGaspar said:

"That's what happens when you don't release a Final Fantasy."

DuhQbnSiLo said:

"No Final Fantasy"

final fantasy 4 not count?"

"shadows_kill said:

"AndrewGaspar said:

"That's what happens when you don't release a Final Fantasy."

DuhQbnSiLo said:

"No Final Fantasy"

final fantasy 4 not count?"

Not exactly a big release was it?"

I haven't played an rpg since FFX because Square hasn't released anything decent for Sony. Square-Enix is like Lu Bu and they will get caught sleeping by Microsoft, the Kingdom of Wei, and will get their head cut off for showing no loyalty for anyone. History will repeat itself in such a manner.

Sounds like FFXIII needs to get that Japanese 360 release.

Serves them right for releasing 360 exclusives, and screwing over all of their fans on the PS3.

You guys are all talking about the 360 exclusives, but umm... how about bringing out games! they barely did any.  And by that, this could only take into consideration Infinite Undiscovery which is techically tri-ace's game, so the profit may be split weird

That being said, Infinite Undiscovery sold quite well for a jrpg on any platform at 340,000 units and Last Remnant sold 200,000 in it's first week (week 2 numbers not in yet)

"it is not only the releases.

The PS3 Crowd is hungry for Jrpg's the 360 crowd is not.
It is that simple.

"You guys are all talking about the 360 exclusives, but umm... how about bringing out games! they barely did any.  And by that, this could only take into consideration Infinite Undiscovery which is techically tri-ace's game, so the profit may be split weird

That being said, Infinite Undiscovery sold quite well for a jrpg on any platform at 340,000 units and Last Remnant sold 200,000 in it's first week (week 2 numbers not in yet)"

"CrimsonAngel said:

"it is not only the releases.

The PS3 Crowd is hungry for Jrpg's the 360 crowd is not.
It is that simple.

I wouldn't say it is that simple.  What about the fact that neither of the best JRPGs on the 360 are Square published or developed. "

That's what happens when a Japanese company ditches the PS3 to release games on an American console that isn't popular in their own turf.

I should give them credit for Crisis Core because I thought that was the third or fourth best game of this year. Other than that it doesn't surprise me that their other releases (the remakes, the two 360 games) and their bad business decisions have led them down the path they're on.

A loss well deserved. Their recent output has been sub-par.

make some good games maybe that would help

Their profits wouldn't be that low if they were actually releasing good games.

"Their profits wouldn't be that low if they were actually releasing good games."

They're gonna bitch about casual gamers.

"That's what happens when a Japanese company ditches the PS3 to release games on an American console that isn't popular in their own turf."

Alright! How many of you have actually read the article, hm?

According to the article:

In 2007, Square-Enix released 18 titles, including a new Final Fantasy for a popular system (Revenant Wings) and two Dragon Quest games (Swords and the DS remake of IV)
In 2008, Square-Enix released only 11 titles, few of them noteworthy.

The fact that in 2008 the company made a lot less money shouldn't surprise anyone, nor is it in any way significant. The year Final Fantasy XIII is released will see a profit up of probably even more %.

One should also wonder where "The World Ends With You" (2007) and "Chrono Trigger DS" (2008) are, as they're both not listed in the numbers this article is based on...



Disclaimer: I don't like the company, either. I'm as happy as the next dude if Square-Enix has profit problems. But they don't.

Yeah, according to Media Create Sales, Chrono Trigger DS alone sold 280k copies in the last month... So much for Square Enix's "huge profit down."

"Yeah, according to Media Create Sales, Chrono Trigger DS alone sold 280k copies in the last month... So much for Square Enix's "huge profit down."

"

Square hasn't put out anything great outside of Kingdom Hearts since 2000 with the release of FFIX and Chrono Cross. Everything since then has been crap. Final Fantasy has pretty much been destroyed and the only thing going for it now at this point is Versus which essentially isn't even a FF considering its being developed by people from the Kingdom Hearts team. The loss of Hironobu Sakaguchi and the merger with Enix has ruined that company beyond repair.

"Square hasn't put out anything great outside of Kingdom Hearts since 2000 with the release of FFIX and Chrono Cross. Everything since then has been crap. Final Fantasy has pretty much been destroyed and the only thing going for it now at this point is Versus which essentially isn't even a FF considering its being developed by people from the Kingdom Hearts team. The loss of Hironobu Sakaguchi and the merger with Enix has ruined that company beyond repair."

"LiquidPrince said:

"That's what happens when a Japanese company ditches the PS3 to release games on an American console that isn't popular in their own turf."

No...

That's what happens when any company doesn't make good games."

Well, here's the problem that I see: