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Standard-Def Banjo To Get Fix After All

Apparently there are still enough non-HD sets out there to make a difference.

It's a video game, not an eye chart.
Despite earlier words from a Rare representative, the company has come out and confirmed that the tiny text found in Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts will be addressed. This is being done with an eye toward making that text more legible for users that don't have HDTVs.

The official statement claims that the readability issues are being worked on and a patch will be made available within the next 30 days.

Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts is set to hit stores later this week.
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Posted by Jeff
It's a video game, not an eye chart.
Despite earlier words from a Rare representative, the company has come out and confirmed that the tiny text found in Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts will be addressed. This is being done with an eye toward making that text more legible for users that don't have HDTVs.

The official statement claims that the readability issues are being worked on and a patch will be made available within the next 30 days.

Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts is set to hit stores later this week.
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Posted by MasterSplinter

Good. Let's not have another game with Dead Rising reading issues.

Posted by drewm135

The only problem I see here is that will people who own standard definition televisions also have wi-fi and the adaptor for the 360? It seems like a downloadable patch wouldn't really have an impact for some of those people. But maybe I'm wrong. Maybe the majority is'nt HD users yet.

Posted by Mattalorian

Nice! Fantastic news.
This almost makes me want to purchase a 360.

Posted by Gameboi

Now if only the rest of the lazy developers out there who still do this to their loyal customers would get off their duff, and do the same.  Just  how hard can it be to make sure text is legible for all, before allowing your game to hit store shelves?

Posted by RHCPfan24

YEAH!

Posted by Badam

I will be playing my copy of Banjo-Kazooie on a 19 inch screen in full standard def glory.

Posted by CaleShepard

WOW thanks a lot Giant Bomb! I already canceled my pre-order!  It's ok though, I already jacked the download code before I canceled   muahahaha

Posted by Ice_Cold_Rayman

Nice. It was hard to read on an HDTV, so this is good news.

Anxiously awaiting Giant Bomb's review of this game.

Posted by Death_Burnout

Yes we exist...okay!? lol

Posted by BongChilla

That's cool Rare is fixing this problem But it seriously pisses me off that Capcom would not fix this with Dead Rising 2 years ago when I only had a SDTV and sold the game becasue of the small text. Capcom should learn from Rare and listen to people who complain.  

Posted by spiceninja

Within 30 days? I'll be finished with the game by then.

Posted by jakob187

Um...why don't people just get HDTVs?  = P

Posted by Lies

Not everyone an afford an HDTV jakob

Posted by TechnicallyProficient

I have a relatively high end HDTV and that text is still way, way small.

Now if only the EB I pre-ordered from ever gets those download codes...

Edited by MrKlorox

This doesn't mean people stuck in SD shouldn't buy a 40 dollar 360 VGA cable and hook their 360s up to their computer monitors for high resolution graphics. Most people will choose clarity over size, if they ever see the difference. SD folks, do yourselves a favor and get the 360 VGA cable for your analog monitor/non HDMI 360. If you have an HDMI 360 and a LCD monitor, you can get a better, digital signal by buying an HDMI to DVI cable for the same price (might end up needing separate sound cable). Extremely affordable HD quality visuals for less than the price of a game. (More resolutions are possible than listed on product page)

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/hardware/x/xbox360vgahdcable/default.htm


I quote myself from the original tiny-text comments page:
I'm sure almost every current-gen gamer using a SD TV set probably has a computer monitor. It's probably not as large as the TV in the living room, but the monitor is capable of displaying HD more capably than the SD TV. Get a VGA cable and use it to connect your monitor to your console. If sound is an issue, you probably have a computer that's beside the monitor that has a line-in jack. If you bought the Microsoft branded VGA cable set for the 360, you're in luck as it comes with the cables to connect the 360 to your computer's sound card. I used this method for two years until my 360 had to be replaced and I switched to HDMI and a digital monitor -- still use PC speakers for sound.
Posted by Kraznor

Honestly don't understand why people insist on staying SD, you're basically robbing yourself of a much-improved experience. I didn't even buy a 360 until I'd found myself an affordable HDTV because I knew it was more or less a requirement for "next-gen" gaming. Wish publishers would start nudging people into the HD era more harshly. Its worth it and there is a difference.

Posted by cgrady

Get a job and buy a damn hdtv you bums =P

Posted by waterglass

some of us don't have enough money to make ends meet, let alone have enough to buy even a 20" HDTV

Posted by dagas

My advice is to play on your computer monitor if you don't have an HDTV. That's what I did before I got an HD projector and it worked fine mostly. Almost everyone has a computer monitor at home, it might not be 50" or whatever, but it will still look great and since you sit so close to your computer monitor it doesn't matter. Just treat your console as a gaming-PC.

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Posted by AndrewB

It's good to see them take a reverse and actually solve this issue that people have been very vocal about. While I think the days of SD TVs should be at an end, at least for gamers, there's no reason to exclude all those people who haven't bought a new TV in awhile for a problem that I think is a pretty easy and essential one to fix.

Posted by ArbitraryWater

Good, now I won't have to damage my eyesight even further,

Posted by PercyChuggs

I like how people are suggesting SDTV owners buy a VGA cable. Uh..., if you still play on an SDTV, there's a reason for it: YOU DON'T WANT TO SPEND MONEY ON HD OR VGA CABLES OR ANY OF THAT CRAP.

Posted by Dimsey

Great news. Unreadable text almost entirely ruined Dead Rising for me. It's good to hear that I won't have a problem when I finally get around to Banjo.

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Edited by Kyle

"Just  how hard can it be to make sure text is legible for all, before allowing your game to hit store shelves?"

Pretty difficult actually - if you have to increase the size of the text for standard def, it could mess every thing up in the game. because the words would be bigger but everything else would be the same size so a lot could go wrong on screen. an example, if you're using firefox, go to a web page with a lot of text, open up the "view" menu up at the top, go to "zoom", and click "zoom text only". Then hold the control key and start scrolling forward on the mouse. the text will get bigger. Notice how it will probably throw the whole page out of whack. There could be words inside boxes that now stick outside the box, or get cut off by some other graphic on screen because they stick out too far. On paper, it might seem like a simple problem, but in terms of adjusting the game to fix the problem, it can be a real hassle.

Edited by Kyle

"I like how people are suggesting SDTV owners buy a VGA cable. Uh..., if you still play on an SDTV, there's a reason for it: YOU DON'T WANT TO SPEND MONEY ON HD OR VGA CABLES OR ANY OF THAT CRAP."

Dude a VGA cable is forty bucks. If you're not willing to spend $40 on games, how are you gonna buy $60 games? If you don't wanna spend the money, you don't get to play the game. That's not really that insane.

It's like games on the PC - if your system can't run the game, then tough shit. Either dish out the cash for a new setup, or shut the hell up and accept the fact that you're not gonna be able to play every game that you want until you do. HD isn't going away, dude. SD is.

Posted by President_Evil

Monoprice's $8.27 Xbox 360 VGA cable.  Bam.  poor man's HDTV. 

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=108&cp_id=10830&cs_id=1083005&p_id=4010&seq=1&format=2


And poor man's 360 wi-fi adapter:

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10232&cs_id=1023201&p_id=2217&seq=1&format=2

And kudos to Mr. Davis for getting me on the site- It has literally saved me HUNDREDS in cables.

Posted by brundlefly

I'm totally rocking the vga cable on a 22 inch wide screen moniter. I play pc games on this moniter too, so no complaints here. Thing is, I have a 32 inch widescreen tv, but I was a pc gamer before I got into consoles, so the desk has always been my gaming station. Nice comfy chair, sick speaker (or headphones) and 1080 fuckin' p display taking up my entire field of vision. Nothing bettter.

Posted by AnEternalEnigma

You'd think developers would have learned from the Dead Rising garbage.

Posted by ahoodedfigure

This sounds more like the Rare I know.

Posted by MattyFTM

I had no problems reading the text in the demo on my SDTV, although I have no problem with it being a bit bigger either, as long as it isn't giant.

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Posted by BeeMac420

All these people saying "why don't you just get a HDTV, why don't you just get a job you lazy bums"  probably still live at home with mummy

Edited by mordecaix7

I'm really glad they're doing this!  I have a computer monitor to use for HD if I really want to but seriously, since I'm a programmer, I already spend 40 - 50 hours a week in front of a computer.  The last thing I want to do is sit in a computer chair all night playing on a tiny computer monitor just so it looks a little bit prettier. 

19" HD + Computer Chair < Couch + 27" SDTV

To all the people saying "just get an HDTV and get a job blah blah blah":  Once you get out on your own with your own responsibilities, you'll quickly realize an HDTV is very much a minor priority to paying bills, for food, for kids, car insurance, health insurance, life insurance, retirement, investment, etc.. 

Posted by YoungFrey

I don't understand why there is so much hate for people who don't have HD sets.  I use SD because I literally have almost no cares about graphics or fidelity.  I've played my games on friends' much more advanced AV systems, and I feel almost no difference when I go back to my 27" SD with internal speaker.  I enjoy the mechanics of play, not the detail of the image or the depth of the audio.  I'm just glad I don't have to buy an HD set to appreciate the games I play on my 360.  I know I'm in the minority.  Why people think SD users are wrong in some way is beyond me.  If there are people in a cave playing Halo 3 on system modified to display in braile, how does this affect you with your 300" ultra-def brain interface?  There are still plenty of SD TVs out there (for the sake of argument, I'll say it's 10%).  Imagine if any other game was made where it's didn't work on 10% of all systems.   Or 5%.  Or 1%.  The game should be playable for the likely users, and no other gamer should care how I choose to enjoy my games. 

Posted by Pseudo_Sidious

nyjetsfan5000 said:  "The only problem I see here is that will people who own standard definition televisions also have wi-fi and the adaptor for the 360? It seems like a downloadable patch wouldn't really have an impact for some of those people. But maybe I'm wrong. Maybe the majority is'nt HD users yet."

First of all nyjetsfan, why would you need wifi and the adapter? I have a standard TV, and I have my 360 pulled into the internet via a ethernet cable.

For the rest of you that are curious why this is such an issue: HDTVs of any decent size are expensive. Many of us don't have the money to buy one. We've already spent $300 on the console and another 40-60 dollars on games. There's no money for a new TV that costs $500-$3000 (especially when your standard TV is working fine). In this economy, it is especially hard to justify a expense like a new tv. Maybe many of you are too young to pay the bills yet and, therefore, don't understand.

Posted by luvcraft

Good! That text hurt my eyes even on my HDTV! There is never any reason to make text that small, unless you specifically don't want your players to read it.

Posted by Media_Master

It's good that they address the issue.

Posted by Trilogy

Looks like mommy and daddy bought cgrady his hdtv. Nice going bro, maybe you'll learn to tie your own shoes one day.


Honesty though, I'm glad they made it readable. It's fucking stupid that I "have" to get an hd set just because society thinks you have to. Maybe one day I will, but I'm in no rush.

Posted by LaszloKovacs

1.) Buy VGA cable for Xbox 360
2.) Connect 360 to HD-capable monitor you already own.
3.) ????
4.) PROFIT!

Posted by McBain

This was definitely a smart move because a large number of the people playing this game will be casual gamers, who don't have HDTVs.

Posted by Dudacles

God, YES! Thank you Rare. I didn't have any problems with DR, but the demo's text bugged me, made me squint to read the text. I'm glad it'll get fixed though, so that I won't have any troubles when I eventually pick the game up.

Posted by Hef

Hey Trilogy--people don't buy HDTV's because society tells them too, it's because of a little thing called high definition. Why would you not want a way clearer and sharper tv? Don't get me wrong, there are still lots of standard def tv's in my house, but having one for movies and games is aweosme.

Posted by Grumbel

I don't quite get why this issue even poped up in the first place, shouldn't that be something that is catched in QA long before release? Why hasn't Microsoft addresses this and added it on their QA checklist? Its after all not the first game to run into these problems and its really not that hard of an issue to fix. Especially today when the Xbox360 is the cheapest of the next gen consoles it shouldn't supprise anybody that some people will end up stuck with a SD-TV.

Posted by Pseudo_Sidious

Stop saying to link my 360 up to a computer monitor. Just stop.

1) I want to sit on my couch. One of the nice things about having a console instead of a gaming PC is that I can sit comfortably on my couch when enjoying the little time I have to play video games.

2) I have surround sound hooked up to my TV. I like having the surround sound while I play games.

3) Even if it is at a lower resolution, I'd still rather play on a larger screen. My TV is about 10 inches larger than any monitor I have.

4) I don't want to use my monitor when there are others in the house that might want to use the computer

(No, I don't have the money for a HDTV. The other things like the surround sound were things saved up for and bought cheep over time. It will be a few years before I have enough to justify buying a new TV.)