Satan gets a bad rap.  He's never killed anyone or broken the law, so wha'ts everyone's problem with him anyway.  Jeez.

Maybe because they are judged all the time that the devs deciced to put them in the Judgment  arcana. I don't really know, but calling them pedophile asain satanists is a bit far IMO.

" Does anyone else find that Lucifer and Satan are in this game with the titles "Seeker of Truth" and "Judge" a little bit disturbing?  Do we have a bunch of creepy pedofile asian Satanists possessing Jeff and Vinny's minds?? "

Satan and Saint Michael (also in the game) are both the gate keepers of their respective realms thus deciding who enters which so Its only logical that they are part of the Judgement arcana. Regarding Satan being the persona you are rewarded after finishing the Seekers of Truth path (judgement arcana) only makes sense since power wise and by "reputation" Satan has always been at the top.

" What I find hilarious is that Lucifer, Beelzebub and Satan are separate Personas though they're synonyms for the devil. They're all the same thing. "

Persona 4 is evil, do not play this game if you are religious, it is poison.
 
ESPECIALLY THE TEEN RELATIONSHIPS, however Mr.  Morooka is an excellent example of good character.

God is the final boss in Shin Megami Tensei II.

Makes about as much sense as Thor, Loki, Nidhoggr (another word for Miðgarðsormur, the snakelike creature that lies in the oceans of the world)
 
The game references a number of religions, neither in a good or a bad way.

Yeah the SMT series has always referenced different religions.
 
Some of the games even tie religion to the plot.

Oh dear. We have a Christian on are hands... 
 

@Hamst3r

" What I find hilarious is that Lucifer, Beelzebub and Satan are separate Personas though they're synonyms for the devil. They're all the same thing. "

Yeah, the developers added this JUST for Jeff and Vinny.
 
Give me a break

Yeah, in the Japanese version they're actually called Tinky Winky, Dipsy, Laa-Laa and Po.

According to Christian dogma, Lucifer is a fallen angel who led a rebellion against God before the existence of man.  For his pride, he was cast down from heaven and now reigns in hell.  Beelzebub is "the lord of lies" and is considered a ruler of one of the planes of hell.  Finally, Satan is called the great adversary and his actually "evilness" is questionable since his purpose is to challenge, sometimes through temptation, God in all His forms.  He is "red" to God's "blue".   Anyway, I don't find any of the portrayals of the icons blasphemous so I don't think there is a problem with them being in the game or holding the positions among the arcana that they do.

" What I find hilarious is that Lucifer, Beelzebub and Satan are separate Personas though they're synonyms for the devil. They're all the same thing. "

" God is the final boss in Shin Megami Tensei II. "

" wat "

It does seem lazy of them, considering how many gods they don't have in the same to include various iterations on the same being just because it happens to have a bunch of names. Its not like with God, with God you have 5 motheistic religions that were once the same religion branching off into other things, so God, Allah, Yahweh(or YHVH), Jah, and Jehova are the same being but under varying interpretations. Satan is pretty exclusive to Christianity (and post Christian branches like Rastafari and Mormonism) and he doesn't really have many faces, comparitively.

" @Eirikr: I'm only talking about how it's laid out in the bible, where in Satan, The Devil, Lucifer and Beelzebub are names for the same thing. At least, that's what I remember from all those years ago when I was forced to read it every year as a kid. :)
 
Here's a reference of the various names for Satan that seems to only use the bible as reference:  http://www.markbeast.com/satan/names-of-satan.htm   If the game's designers have changed that all up and made them different things that's cool with me, I don't really care, I still find it silly. :P "

Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth and the life, no one comes to the Father but by me." Is that in Persona?

One of my favourite lines of the recent Endurance Run episodes is "We'll come back for you Satan".

" Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth and the life, no one comes to the Father but by me." Is that in Persona? "

" Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth and the life, no one comes to the Father but by me." Is that in Persona? "

" Does anyone else find that Lucifer and Satan are in this game with the titles "Seeker of Truth" and "Judge" a little bit disturbing?  Do we have a bunch of creepy pedofile asian Satanists possessing Jeff and Vinny's minds?? "

An obscure word mixed with a strange interpretation, and Jesus and pals could be in the game without people even realizing it. If they had a persona that was a bearded glowing man with giant tablet stones where his hands should be and named it  Zanoah, Toviah or Jered, how many people would recognize its Moses? Even if it had plague like attacks most people couldn't put it all together.

Well, would another arcana really be appropriate? He is not a demon, he's an angel. He resides in a place where punishment on sinners is administrated. Judgment makes more sense than most. It makes sense in the context of the game at least, though he probably would've made a decent fool too.

Hebrew apocrypha has them all as different fallen angels representing different negative aspects of humanity. They only became synonyms when Christianity decided to hijack them and fuse them into one entity.

Unicorn and Cerebus have the same title, too. Fucken blasphemy.

" Hebrew apocrypha has them all as different fallen angels representing different negative aspects of humanity. They only became synonyms when Christianity decided to hijack them and fuse them into one entity. "

 
@alexl86 said:

" @Undeadpool said:

" Hebrew apocrypha has them all as different fallen angels representing different negative aspects of humanity. They only became synonyms when Christianity decided to hijack them and fuse them into one entity. "

Except that the Hebrew Apocrypha is generally rejected by both Jews and Christians. The name Apocrypha is Greek for hidden and none of those texts are considered cannon. Since Christianity started as Jewish sects, they do have a lot in common when it comes to creation myths. "

True, but I'm just citing the source of where the beings originate as some people seem to be very confused by the fact that the game treats them as separate entities.

Also: it's a Japanese game. The beings aren't sacred to them, they're just figures of another culture's mythology, like Shinto gods are to most Western viewers.

"Except that the Hebrew Apocrypha is generally rejected by both Jews and Christians. The name Apocrypha is Greek for hidden and none of those texts are considered cannon. Since Christianity started as Jewish sects, they do have a lot in common when it comes to creation myths. "

What's wrong with Satan? He killed what? 1 person in the bible? While God killed too many to count?

" Does anyone else find that Lucifer and Satan are in this game with the titles "Seeker of Truth" and "Judge" a little bit disturbing?  Do we have a bunch of creepy pedofile asian Satanists possessing Jeff and Vinny's minds?? "

" What's wrong with Satan? He killed what? 1 person in the bible? While God killed too many to count? "

" What's wrong with Satan? He killed what? 1 person in the bible? While God killed too many to count? "

" @CL60 said:

" What's wrong with Satan? He killed what? 1 person in the bible? While God killed too many to count? "

You are uninformed. When  on the subject of things you know little to nothing about, saying nothing is usually the best option. "

Well, it can be argued that Original Sin is largely Satan's fault, making him indirectly responsible for the death of every human ever.

@OP: Go back to your church or something dude, you're clearly not ready to be out in the open among free minded people.

" Well, it can be argued that Original Sin is largely Satan's fault, making him indirectly responsible for the death of every human ever. "