Hey, the decade isn't over.. let's stop with the GotD talk!

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Edited By Knives

This is a bit of a pet peeve of mine, but I can't stand all the "game of the decade" talk, or whatever. The decade doesn't end until Dec. 31st, 2010!  
 
For those that do not know, the first year of recorded history would end on Dec. 31st, 0001. The tenth year of the first decade would then end on Dec. 31st, 0010. Likewise, the first year of this decade ended on Dec. 31st, 2001. I understand the cultural convenience of defining a decade as 70-79, 80-89, and 90-99, but it isn't accurate. Does this bug anyone else, or am I just making a big deal out of nothing? 
 
So the moral of the story is, stop making your game of the decade lists. We still have another outstanding year of gaming to consider! 
  
Games we will play during the last year of the decade: 

Starcraft 2 
God of War 3  
Mass Effect 2 
Super Mario Galaxy 2 
Gran Turismo 5 
Metroid: Other M 
Bioshock 2  
Halo Reach
Bayonetta 
No More Heroes 2 
Final Fantasy 13 
WoW: Catyclsm 

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#1  Edited By Knives

This is a bit of a pet peeve of mine, but I can't stand all the "game of the decade" talk, or whatever. The decade doesn't end until Dec. 31st, 2010!  
 
For those that do not know, the first year of recorded history would end on Dec. 31st, 0001. The tenth year of the first decade would then end on Dec. 31st, 0010. Likewise, the first year of this decade ended on Dec. 31st, 2001. I understand the cultural convenience of defining a decade as 70-79, 80-89, and 90-99, but it isn't accurate. Does this bug anyone else, or am I just making a big deal out of nothing? 
 
So the moral of the story is, stop making your game of the decade lists. We still have another outstanding year of gaming to consider! 
  
Games we will play during the last year of the decade: 

Starcraft 2 
God of War 3  
Mass Effect 2 
Super Mario Galaxy 2 
Gran Turismo 5 
Metroid: Other M 
Bioshock 2  
Halo Reach
Bayonetta 
No More Heroes 2 
Final Fantasy 13 
WoW: Catyclsm 

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#2  Edited By Bigandtasty

Yes it does. The 00's consist of ten years, starting with 2000 (hence the name "00's", or "90's", etc... the first year is the year that begins with zero)

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#3  Edited By Knives
@Bigandtasty said:

" Yes it does. The 00's consist of ten years, starting with 2000 (hence the name "00's", or "90's", etc... the first year is the year that begins with zero) "

Like I said, that is the convenient and accepted way of defining a decade in our television culture (as there is no snappy way to refer to 1981-1990), but it is mathematically inaccurate. Unless you think the first year ends on Dec. 31st, 0000. Scientists and anthropologists do not.
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#4  Edited By Damien

I understand where you're coming from, but no one does that.  It is generally accepted that the decade ends with the 9 year.  Also, Starcraft 2 ain't coming out in 2010.

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Good call

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#6  Edited By Knives
@Damien said:

" I understand where you're coming from, but no one does that.  It is generally accepted that the decade ends with the 9 year.  Also, Starcraft 2 ain't coming out in 2010. "  

I would be astonished if Starcraft 2 didn't come out in 2010. This is the game that was very playable during the 2007 Blizzcon, had a reasonable release prediction for early/mid-2009, and is all but finished. How could they possibly miss Q4/Q3, or even Q2 2010?
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#8  Edited By Knives
@gakon5 said:
" I get it and I'm with you.  There is no year 0 in the Gregorian calendar, and because a decade is by definition ten years, the first decade ran from 01/01/01 to 12/31/10.
 
Of course, being that strict would have thrown off people's new-millennium celebrations. "
If I remember correctly, it was kind of a big deal back in 2000. There was a camp of anthropological nerds in the corner, quietly celebrating the millennium on Dec. 31st 2001. Nobody came to their party.
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#9  Edited By maxszy

I realize where you are coming from and that you're correct...but I still don't think it matters. Its not how people categorize decades now, for the most part anyway so I think 2000-2009 for instance, does work.

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#10  Edited By Bigandtasty
@Knives: The convenience of defining decades as "80's" and "90's" overshadows the year-zero contradiction.
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#11  Edited By mordukai

Fully agree with the OP. When did 2000 - 2009 became a decade? last time I checked a decade stood for 10 years, or did I miss something? 

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#12  Edited By AgentJ

I completely agree.

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#13  Edited By Bigandtasty
@Mordukai said:
" Fully agree with the OP. When did 2000 - 2009 became a decade? last time I checked a decade stood for 10 years, or did I miss something?  "
That's not what he's saying. 2000 - 2009 is ten years (2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009). The problem is that the calendar started from 1, not from 0.
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#14  Edited By bubahula
@Bigandtasty said:
" @Knives: The convenience of defining decades as "80's" and "90's" overshadows the year-zero contradiction. "
agreed
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#16  Edited By mordukai
@Bigandtasty said:

" @Mordukai said:

" Fully agree with the OP. When did 2000 - 2009 became a decade? last time I checked a decade stood for 10 years, or did I miss something?  "
That's not what he's saying. 2000 - 2009 is ten years (2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009). The problem is that the calendar started from 1, not from 0. "
I think this started as a joke on Gregory XIII part and his advisers mistook for an actual command. 
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#17  Edited By tineyoghurt

It is all about the formatting. 
 
Also, the week starts Monday!

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#18  Edited By mattysen

Well to put this all to bed; are cultural celebration of a decade is from a --X0 to the next consisting --X0 (2000-2010). Created for TV flash-y-ness or not that is the socially accepted times for a decade celebration 

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#19  Edited By KamasamaK

A decade can be any period of ten years, so it's not wrong to make an arbitrary start or end point. If you're specifically talking about the 201st decade, then you are correct.

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#20  Edited By SoothsayerGB

 
Don't know about that Starcraft 2 thing.  Blizz didn't release any games this year.  Did they?  Seems that the end of 2010 is about 2 years after WotLK.  So Cata might be ready.  
 
Don't think Blizzard wants to poison it's cash cow's watering hole, just yet.  Arthas is being killed as we speak.  The movie is being made.  I think they will be announcing Cata's official release date before the end of summer.  Not Starcraft 2 or D3.  I wouldn't be surprised if the first game didn't come out till 2011.  
 
Playable is one thing, but content to play, is another.  
 
Also...
 
 

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#21  Edited By Bones8677

I blame the Indians for not inventing 0 early enough, settling this issue before it even started. ;P
 
But yeah 2010 has to be the start of the next decade, we consider 1960 being the start of the Sixties so 2010 will be the start of the...Tens...  that doesn't sound right. It won't even begin sounding right until we get to the Twenties.../sigh

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#22  Edited By Branthog

None of us were alive in '0', so it doesn't really matter. Is it stupid when people consider 2000 to be the start of the millenium? Yes. Is it stupid when you count a decade as all the years beginning with that umber? No. When you say "the 80s" you mean January 1st of 1980 thruogh December 31st of 1989. January first of 1990 is now the 90s. Therefore, the "naughts" decade is 2000 through 2009. Then 2010 through 2019. Then 2020 through 2029. I'm not getting the conflict, here...

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#23  Edited By Yukoei

You are wrong.
 
1. 2000
2. 2001
3. 2002
4. 2003
5. 2004
6. 2005
7. 2006
8. 2007
9. 2008
10. 2009
 
/Thread.

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#24  Edited By TwoOneFive
@Damien said:

" It is generally accepted that the decade ends with the 9 year. "

no your wrong, it really isn't. you're just assuming that what you have always believed must be common knowledge.  
and you too: 
@Yukoei said:

" You are wrong.  1. 2000 2. 2001 3. 2002 4. 2003 5. 2004 6. 2005 7. 2006 8. 2007 9. 2008 10. 2009  /Thread. "

 i mean come on, you proved our point in your own silly demonstration there, how the hell does 10=2009
 
I agree with the OP. And you guys can go ask NASA if you don't believe us. Decades end at 10. its not like we count from 0-9. its not like websites review games 0-9 either. Its ALWAYS 1-10.   
 
this is just a technical thing though so I completely understand why people disagree. Technically I am correct, but in a way you can be right too, because its a meme type of thing you guys are refering to. we call decades the 60's because its a catchy and easier way to organize times. but the truth is that its not correct . 
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#25  Edited By nukesniper
@Knives said:
" @Bigandtasty said:

" Yes it does. The 00's consist of ten years, starting with 2000 (hence the name "00's", or "90's", etc... the first year is the year that begins with zero) "

Like I said, that is the convenient and accepted way of defining a decade in our television culture (as there is no snappy way to refer to 1981-1990), but it is mathematically inaccurate. Unless you think the first year ends on Dec. 31st, 0000. Scientists and anthropologists do not. "
I understand what you are going for here, but rooting it 2000 years ago does not help your argument. The new Millenium started on Jan. 1, 2000, therefore, I will base my decade off of that. Jan. 1, 2010 will be a new decade for me. 
 
 
Also, Starcraft 2 could easily take game of the decade for 2010-2020. They have been working on it long enough at this point... 
 
On a more distant point: I don't care about the game of the decade. That is a bit broad for me. To think that you have to try to compare Halo: Combat Evolved directly to Uncharted 2 or God of War 1 (all games I picked at random, I'm not jumping to shit here) is a bit ridiculous. Gaming has changed significantly in the last ten years, I just don't think it is fair or reasonable to do so. It is like a "Best Game Ever" discussion. The selection is far too vast in my opinion.
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#26  Edited By TwoOneFive
@nukesniper said:
" @Knives said:
" @Bigandtasty said:

" Yes it does. The 00's consist of ten years, starting with 2000 (hence the name "00's", or "90's", etc... the first year is the year that begins with zero) "

Like I said, that is the convenient and accepted way of defining a decade in our television culture (as there is no snappy way to refer to 1981-1990), but it is mathematically inaccurate. Unless you think the first year ends on Dec. 31st, 0000. Scientists and anthropologists do not. "
I understand what you are going for here, but rooting it 2000 years ago does not help your argument. The new Millenium started on Jan. 1, 2000, therefore, I will base my decade off of that. Jan. 1, 2010 will be a new decade for me.   Also, Starcraft 2 could easily take game of the decade for 2010-2020. They have been working on it long enough at this point...  On a more distant point: I don't care about the game of the decade. That is a bit broad for me. To think that you have to try to compare Halo: Combat Evolved directly to Uncharted 2 or God of War 1 (all games I picked at random, I'm not jumping to shit here) is a bit ridiculous. Gaming has changed significantly in the last ten years, I just don't think it is fair or reasonable to do so. It is like a "Best Game Ever" discussion. The selection is far too vast in my opinion. "
no the new mellenium did not start on 2000 jan 1 no matter how many times you repeat it. sorry. 
 
but yeah game of the decade is stupid. i dont see why its important. in one year we've seen games like killzone 2 and uncharted 2 take us to a new level of gaming, 10 years is ridiculous. the strides the industry has made are tremendous. 
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#27  Edited By Hitchenson
@Yukoei said:
" You are wrong.  1. 2000 2. 2001 3. 2002 4. 2003 5. 2004 6. 2005 7. 2006 8. 2007 9. 2008 10. 2009  /Thread. "
Awesome. 
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#28  Edited By fuzzyponken

Phew, good thing you were here to set us straight regarding decades! A minute more of that nonsense and we might have... what? Who the fuck cares? Go find a hobby. 

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#29  Edited By mordukai
@TwoOneFive said:

" @nukesniper said:

" @Knives said:
" @Bigandtasty said:

" Yes it does. The 00's consist of ten years, starting with 2000 (hence the name "00's", or "90's", etc... the first year is the year that begins with zero) "

Like I said, that is the convenient and accepted way of defining a decade in our television culture (as there is no snappy way to refer to 1981-1990), but it is mathematically inaccurate. Unless you think the first year ends on Dec. 31st, 0000. Scientists and anthropologists do not. "
I understand what you are going for here, but rooting it 2000 years ago does not help your argument. The new Millenium started on Jan. 1, 2000, therefore, I will base my decade off of that. Jan. 1, 2010 will be a new decade for me.   Also, Starcraft 2 could easily take game of the decade for 2010-2020. They have been working on it long enough at this point...  On a more distant point: I don't care about the game of the decade. That is a bit broad for me. To think that you have to try to compare Halo: Combat Evolved directly to Uncharted 2 or God of War 1 (all games I picked at random, I'm not jumping to shit here) is a bit ridiculous. Gaming has changed significantly in the last ten years, I just don't think it is fair or reasonable to do so. It is like a "Best Game Ever" discussion. The selection is far too vast in my opinion. "
no the new mellenium did not start on 2000 jan 1 no matter how many times you repeat it. sorry.  but yeah game of the decade is stupid. i dont see why its important. in one year we've seen games like killzone 2 and uncharted 2 take us to a new level of gaming, 10 years is ridiculous. the strides the industry has made are tremendous.  "
Exactly.  
Look at the past decade. 
 
System Shock 2 - August 11th, 1999   

Planescape: Torment - December 12th, 1999 
   
Thief II: The Metal Age - March 21st, 2000 
 
Deus Ex - June 22nd, 2000. 
 
All within a span of 10 months. 
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#30  Edited By Rirobuge

Why is this even a discussion? Yes you're right mathematically but logically it makes no sense. Would it make sense to add 6 hours to each year? No, though it is mathematically correct we as a society elected the leap year, because it makes logical sense.

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#31  Edited By dethfish

Why does anyone even care about this? This doesn't seem like a big deal to me.

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#32  Edited By dudacles
@Dethfish77 said:
" Why does anyone even care about this? This doesn't seem like a big deal to me. "
Agreed.
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#33  Edited By KamasamaK
@Rirobuge said:
" Why is this even a discussion? Yes you're right mathematically but logically it makes no sense. Would it make sense to add 6 hours to each year? No, though it is mathematically correct we as a society elected the leap year, because it makes logical sense. "
You appear to be confusing logic with convenience.
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#34  Edited By Knives
@Yukoei said: 

" You are wrong.  1. 2000 2. 2001 3. 2002 4. 2003 5. 2004 6. 2005 7. 2006 8. 2007 9. 2008 10. 2009  /Thread. "

So, basically you're saying: 
 
1. 0000 
2. 0001 
3. 0002 
... 
9. 0008 
10. 0009 
  
This makes me uncomfortable. It's like the feeling a person with OCD gets walking through a house full of crooked picture frames. Or the feeling a linguist gets when he hears someone say "I could care less."
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#35  Edited By Jeust
@Knives said:

" @Yukoei said: 

" You are wrong.  1. 2000 2. 2001 3. 2002 4. 2003 5. 2004 6. 2005 7. 2006 8. 2007 9. 2008 10. 2009  /Thread. "

So, basically you're saying:  1. 0000 2. 0001 3. 0002 ... 9. 0008 10. 0009   This makes me uncomfortable. It's like the feeling a person with OCD gets walking through a house full of crooked picture frames. Or the feeling a linguist gets when he hears someone say "I could care less." "
A decade are ten years... you define where to start from. 
 
Some people prefer counting from 00 others 01. 
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#36  Edited By happyfatman

You are horribly mistaken.  The decade is indeed over at the end of this month.  This decade began in 2000, the next decade will begin in 2010.  It's like so many others have said: all other decades have been from 0-9.   
 
70's: 1970-1979,  
80's: 1980-1989,  
90's: 1990-1999. 
 
Why should this decade be any different? 
 
00's: 2000-2009.  And so it will continue to be till the end of time. 
 
@TwoOneFive: " the new mellenium did not start on 2000 jan 1 no matter how many times you repeat it."  The new millennium did indeed start in 2000.  I guess all those celebrations were for nothing, huh?  And I guess 2000 was a part of the 90's too (i don't see a 9 anywhere in that number).  Yes, everything goes from 1-10... except for years, those go from 0-9.  You are the minority and this is one of those things where what the majority says goes.  You folks trying to change the way things have always been really need to go away.  See above, decades are measured between 0-9 (unlike everything else), and they always have.  Another piece of evidence for this.  Look at it logically: 20-00 (notice the zero zero), then there's 20-10 (notice it is now one-zero), then 20-20 (now two-zero).  All you have to do is look at the third digit in the year's number, and when that changes, the decade has become new.  I know this won't convince you, but hey, I can try.  I'd also like to dedicate this paragraph to gakon5, Mordukai, AgentJ, and Bubahula.  One last thing: unless you can show me some real documentation proving that "technically you are right" I will stand by my assertion that majority rules.  It is indeed the consensus that decades range from 0-9.

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#37  Edited By demontium
@Knives: Never thought of it but yes you are right, decade is not over and Mario Galaxy 2 has room to be a contender for GotD (and MAYBE other M if team ninja can pull it off).
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#38  Edited By penguindust

This decade argument is going in a couple of other threads.  I've already said my peace in those ones, so I'll just say World of Warcraft and leave it at that.

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#39  Edited By Jimbo
@PenguinDust said:
" This decade argument is going in a couple of other threads.  I've already said my peace in those ones, so I'll just say World of Warcraft and leave it at that. "
Correct answer by the way.  Well done.
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#40  Edited By fuzzyponken

Technically there was a year 0. It's not like time started at year 1. 

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#41  Edited By Jensonb

Nobody gives a shit about anthropologists or scientists or historians complaining that there was no year 0. It doesn't matter - it's not like anyone's being specific and calling this the 201st Decade. If they were, they would be wrong. But they are not. That's also why nobody saying 2000 was a new millenium were wrong. They did not say it was 2 millenia since the (Alleged) Birth of Christ. Culturally we (Correctly) attach more importance to the actual number - going from us all saying "Nineteen" to "Twenty" and going from writing 19 to 20 is significant change in our lives, so that year is more important. Same deal with going from "Twenty-Oh" to "Twenty-Ten"/"Twenty-xTeen" It's more important to group things visually than based on some arbitrary counting system.

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#42  Edited By Knives
@happyfatman said:

" You are horribly mistaken.  The decade is indeed over at the end of this month.  This decade began in 2000, the next decade will begin in 2010.  It's like so many others have said: all other decades have been from 0-9.   
 
70's: 1970-1979,  
80's: 1980-1989,  
90's: 1990-1999. 
 
Why should this decade be any different? 
 
00's: 2000-2009.  And so it will continue to be till the end of time. 
 
@TwoOneFive: " the new mellenium did not start on 2000 jan 1 no matter how many times you repeat it."  The new millennium did indeed start in 2000.  I guess all those celebrations were for nothing, huh?  And I guess 2000 was a part of the 90's too (i don't see a 9 anywhere in that number).  Yes, everything goes from 1-10... except for years, those go from 0-9.  You are the minority and this is one of those things where what the majority says goes.  You folks trying to change the way things have always been really need to go away.  See above, decades are measured between 0-9 (unlike everything else), and they always have.  Another piece of evidence for this.  Look at it logically: 20-00 (notice the zero zero), then there's 20-10 (notice it is now one-zero), then 20-20 (now two-zero).  All you have to do is look at the third digit in the year's number, and when that changes, the decade has become new.  I know this won't convince you, but hey, I can try.  I'd also like to dedicate this paragraph to gakon5, Mordukai, AgentJ, and Bubahula.  One last thing: unless you can show me some real documentation proving that "technically you are right" I will stand by my assertion that majority rules.  It is indeed the consensus that decades range from 0-9. "

Here is an example of how NASA defines a decade:  http://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/SEdecade/SEdecade2001.html Scroll down about half way.
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#43  Edited By Knives
@fuzzyponken said:

" Technically there was a year 0. It's not like time started at year 1.  "

Would you call the first year of time passes the "first year" or the "zeroth year". Everything starts with the number 1. You don't count the zeroth apple when counting up to 10. 
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#44  Edited By raviolisumo

Yes, technically that's how decades work, but that's not how it is. We use a different decade. That's how it is. Listen to the Geekbox podcast a couple episodes back, they talk about the practical decade versus the mathematical one.

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Don't be pretentious. No one works it out that way.

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#46  Edited By Zorena
@Mordukai: how many years are 00 to 09...  
year = years
00 = 1 
01 = 2 
02 = 3 
03 = 4 
04 = 5 
05 = 6 
06 = 7 
07 = 8 
08 = 9 
and finnaly the awesome 
09 = 10 
10years = decade?
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#47  Edited By carlthenimrod

  Dictionary.com's definition of decade:

  1. a period of ten years: the three decades from 1776 to 1806
  2. a period of ten years beginning with a year whose last digit is zero: the decade of the 1980s. 
  3. a group, set, or series of ten.
 This is what I go by. Makes sense to me.
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#48  Edited By Synthballs

Who knows. Lord Almighty. It doesn't matter. Everyone already knows GotD is Yaris.
 
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#49  Edited By Milkman

With that logic, 1930 is part of the 1920s. It makes no sense.

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#50  Edited By BrickRoad

I always understood it as the reason there was no year 0, was because it was a mistake by the guy who created the modern calendar. Also, the birth of Jesus is actually something like 4BC because the same person forgot to add the 4 years Augustus went by a different name. However this may all be wrong as it's from memory, not a source, so i'm open to correction....
 
It's my opinion anyway that the decade should end with a 9, and that the first AD decade was from 0010 to 0019, because before that were only 9 recorded years  (1-9), and therefore not a decade.