On Karma and the new flagging system...

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Edited By mike

For those of you that are actively flagging inappropriate threads, don't worry about your karma point count for now.  We are monitoring point levels and adjusting them down as necessary for people who are gaining bad karma by flagging things that needed to be flagged.

This is new for all of us, but we don't want you guys to feel like you're getting punished for reporting spam or porn or other offensive material or bad posts with the new Flag button. This isn't to say you can just flag with impunity - if you're found to be abusing the system by flagging posts that shouldn't be, then we will just let the karma system do it's job and you will soon find yourself unable to flag anymore until your points decay back below five at the rate of one per day.

Remember, the system is only going to work if everyone uses it! If you have any questions or have a problem with your karma, please contact a moderator and we'll help you out. 

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#1  Edited By mike

For those of you that are actively flagging inappropriate threads, don't worry about your karma point count for now.  We are monitoring point levels and adjusting them down as necessary for people who are gaining bad karma by flagging things that needed to be flagged.

This is new for all of us, but we don't want you guys to feel like you're getting punished for reporting spam or porn or other offensive material or bad posts with the new Flag button. This isn't to say you can just flag with impunity - if you're found to be abusing the system by flagging posts that shouldn't be, then we will just let the karma system do it's job and you will soon find yourself unable to flag anymore until your points decay back below five at the rate of one per day.

Remember, the system is only going to work if everyone uses it! If you have any questions or have a problem with your karma, please contact a moderator and we'll help you out. 

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#2  Edited By TheJollyRajah

I have a question. Let's say someone manages to reach -10, will he/she be banned from posting forever, or will they regain their privileges after their karma is restored?

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#3  Edited By Lies

Essentially it's just a more efficient way to report posts to moderators. I think the name "karma system" has mislead some people when really all it does is allow for quicker removal of bad posts and topics.

I honestly don't see the big deal. Just makes things a little slicker on th moderator side :| People seem kinda annoyed with it for no reason.

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#4  Edited By mike
TheJollyRajah said:
"I have a question. Let's say someone manages to reach -10, will he/she be banned from posting forever, or will they regain their privileges after their karma is restored?"
Points decay at the rate of one per day, so once that user gets back to 9 or below, their privileges will be automatically restored.
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#5  Edited By TheJollyRajah
MB said:
"TheJollyRajah said:
"I have a question. Let's say someone manages to reach -10, will he/she be banned from posting forever, or will they regain their privileges after their karma is restored?"
Points decay at the rate of one per day, so once that user gets back to 9 or below, their privileges will be automatically restored."
Thanks for clearing that up!

So as long as we follow the rules we should be fine.
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#6  Edited By Linkyshinks

A great idea and very welcome after recent events. 


Thanks coonce and the team from implimenting it, thanks for explaining how it works also MB. I had naturally wondered about that.

  
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#7  Edited By natetodamax

I still think it's lame that you lose a point for flagging bad stuff. I think you shouldn't lose any points for reporting unless the mods find that the content wasn't bad.

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#8  Edited By suneku

We're removing points of people who report the right stuff as we go along. But when multiple people flag one post, we can't see everyone who flagged it so just PM a mod online if you need your points reset.

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Who's out there posting all this porn and spam? More importantly, who's posting the porn, and where?

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#10  Edited By ryanwho
Bellum said:
"Who's out there posting all this porn and spam? More importantly, who's posting the porn, and where?"
I would also like to know this, and amass a flag of my own.
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#11  Edited By Superchris129

If I win $10,000 on a scratch off lottery ticket, will I be hit by a car in the near future?

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#12  Edited By MetalGearSunny

I think this is confusing as hell.

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#13  Edited By natetodamax
Metal_Gear_Sunny said:
"I think this is confusing as hell."
Agreed.
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#14  Edited By MattyFTM  Moderator
natetodamax said:
"Metal_Gear_Sunny said:
"I think this is confusing as hell."
Agreed."
If you're getting confuzled, forget the karma system, just use the flagging system as you would on any other site. It's not 100% necessary to know the system. It's cool how open they're being open about the moderation system (most sites keep that sort of thing as quiet as possible) but if it confuses you, just forget about it.
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#15  Edited By Hamz
  • Everyone starts off with 0 Karma points. Everytime you flag something you gain 1 point.
  • Gaining 5 points will block you from being able to flag anymore content on the forums.
  • Gain 10 points and you will be unable to reply, post or comment on any forum topic, news article or review etc.
  • Each day everyone loses 1 Karma point. So if you have 10 Karma points you will have to wait till it drops to 9 before you can post again.
  • Forum Moderators can see everyone's Karma level and can reset it to 0 if and when needed. We are at the moment carrying this out on users who have flagged content that definately required us to moderate it in some form.
  • However people who continually are flagging content that really doesn't deserve our attention at all we will likely leave to the system to deal with and reset their Karma level.

A few of you seem to think this is somehow punishing you all. Abide by the rules and you have nothing to worry about.
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#16  Edited By natetodamax
Hamz said:
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  • Everyone starts off with 0 Karma points. Everytime you flag something you gain 1 point.
  • Gaining 5 points will block you from being able to flag anymore content on the forums.
  • Gain 10 points and you will be unable to reply, post or comment on any forum topic, news article or review etc.
  • Each day everyone loses 1 Karma point. So if you have 10 Karma points you will have to wait till it drops to 9 before you can post again.
  • Forum Moderators can see everyone's Karma level and can reset it to 0 if and when needed. We are at the moment carrying this out on users who have flagged content that definately required us to moderate it in some form.
  • However people who continually are flagging content that really doesn't deserve our attention at all we will likely leave to the system to deal with and reset their Karma level.
A few of you seem to think this is somehow punishing you all. Abide by the rules and you have nothing to worry about."
Oh, so now we're gaining points instead of losing them? I've never been so confused in my life.
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#17  Edited By mracoon
natetodamax said:
"Hamz said:
"
  • Everyone starts off with 0 Karma points. Everytime you flag something you gain 1 point.
  • Gaining 5 points will block you from being able to flag anymore content on the forums.
  • Gain 10 points and you will be unable to reply, post or comment on any forum topic, news article or review etc.
  • Each day everyone loses 1 Karma point. So if you have 10 Karma points you will have to wait till it drops to 9 before you can post again.
  • Forum Moderators can see everyone's Karma level and can reset it to 0 if and when needed. We are at the moment carrying this out on users who have flagged content that definately required us to moderate it in some form.
  • However people who continually are flagging content that really doesn't deserve our attention at all we will likely leave to the system to deal with and reset their Karma level.
A few of you seem to think this is somehow punishing you all. Abide by the rules and you have nothing to worry about."
Oh, so now we're gaining points instead of losing them? I've never been so confused in my life."
It's not that confusing. You only really need to think about it if you're posting innapropriate things or flagging unnecessarily otherwise the system has no effect on you, so don't think about it.
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#18  Edited By Hamz
mracoon said:
"natetodamax said:
"Oh, so now we're gaining points instead of losing them? I've never been so confused in my life."
It's not that confusing. You only really need to think about it if you're posting innapropriate things or flagging unnecessarily otherwise the system has no effect on you, so don't think about it."
Basically all the community needs to worry and think about is this. What content are you flagging and do you think a Moderator needs to give it their attention? Does the content break any of the rules we have laid out in the Forum FAQ and the Terms & Conditions?

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#19  Edited By brukaoru
mracoon said:
"natetodamax said:
"Oh, so now we're gaining points instead of losing them? I've never been so confused in my life."
It's not that confusing. You only really need to think about it if you're posting innapropriate things or flagging unnecessarily otherwise the system has no effect on you, so don't think about it."
I agree, there's really no need to understand the system and you really have nothing to fear. If you see something that deserves to be flagged, do so, and don't worry about it. The mods will take care of it and your karma will be reset.
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#20  Edited By MetalGearSunny

My worry is this:

If flagging takes away from the Karma you have (or adds them whatever) then some people may not flag at all.

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There aren't that many posts that are moderated as far as I can tell. It shouldn't be a problem.

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#22  Edited By mracoon
Metal_Gear_Sunny said:
"My worry is this:If flagging takes away from the Karma you have (or adds them whatever) then some people may not flag at all."
Yes but if you flag something that deserved it the mods can put your karma back to 0, so it has no effect.
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#23  Edited By Dalai

The moderators have been watching a lot of My Name Is Earl lately, I think.

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#24  Edited By Megalon

I kind of wish the "Flag" wasn't right next to "Quote" and "Reply"...I've almost hit it five times now. 


Other than that, I like the system. I'm sure it will work much better than the +/- system, where people were just giving - if they didn't like or agree with the post.
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#25  Edited By TobyD81

Hey, cool idea. Have you pitched this to the Xbox Live team?

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#26  Edited By LordAndrew
Megalon said:
"I kind of wish the "Flag" wasn't right next to "Quote" and "Reply"...I've almost hit it five times now."
When you click the Flag link, it will ask you to confirm. So it's almost impossible to accidentally report a post.
I'm more troubled that the new PM star thingy is right next to the Remove Me From This Conversation? link, which doesn't ask for confirmation.