Killzone 2 is a FLOP!!!

"I am not European and I speak the truth. The same thing happened with Metal Gear Solid 4, where the so called "games media" and fanboys were saying that game sold only little over a million units and some weeks later Konami released their 2008 data and let everybody know they sold over 5 million MGS4 units in 6 months and it was their main source of revenue last year.

This is pure spin. The PS3 fails (despite the fact that it has sold more in the same span of time than the 360), the games doesn't sell (when reality contradicts it), etc.

Killzone 2 is the best FPS made to date and it is a system seller. It perfects everything FPSes have, but also introduces some game changing innovations like the cover mechanics and leveling up system for multiplayer. It is going to sell similarly to MGS4.

Give up, please. Don't make yourself look like a fool."

"I am not European and I speak the truth. The same thing happened with Metal Gear Solid 4, where the so called "games media" and fanboys were saying that game sold only little over a million units and some weeks later Konami released their 2008 data and let everybody know they sold over 5 million MGS4 units in 6 months and it was their main source of revenue last year.

This is pure spin. The PS3 fails (despite the fact that it has sold more in the same span of time than the 360), the games doesn't sell (when reality contradicts it), etc.

Killzone 2 is the best FPS made to date and it is a system seller. It perfects everything FPSes have, but also introduces some game changing innovations like the cover mechanics and leveling up system for multiplayer. It is going to sell similarly to MGS4.

Give up, please. Don't make yourself look like a fool."

Come on guys make love and cookies and lesbian porn - not fanboy war!

"Come on guys make love and cookies and lesbian porn - not fanboy war!"

"thiago said:

"I am not European and I speak the truth. The same thing happened with Metal Gear Solid 4, where the so called "games media" and fanboys were saying that game sold only little over a million units and some weeks later Konami released their 2008 data and let everybody know they sold over 5 million MGS4 units in 6 months and it was their main source of revenue last year.

This is pure spin. The PS3 fails (despite the fact that it has sold more in the same span of time than the 360), the games doesn't sell (when reality contradicts it), etc.

Killzone 2 is the best FPS made to date and it is a system seller. It perfects everything FPSes have, but also introduces some game changing innovations like the cover mechanics and leveling up system for multiplayer. It is going to sell similarly to MGS4.

Give up, please. Don't make yourself look like a fool."

Then wherever it is you're from. Either way. Ridiculous generalization. Although you are the idiot who claims that Killzone 2 is some kind of amazing standard-setting shooter while claiming that Half Life was not anything revolutionary or paradigm-changing to the shooter genre at the time it was released, so I don't really think it's me who is making a fool of himself. That bolded sentence of yours, by the way, is the stupidest thing I've read this week. That's an accomplishment."

"Half-Life was a natural evolution of the genre because of the more CPU, RAM and disk space available. The original Wolfenstein and Doom were distributed in floppy disks. By the time Half-Life was released CD and sound cards were already standard. The story telling is good in a "gamy" way, i.e., it doesn't suck. But it is not good by any other standard, because the story is so confusing and convoluted that not even Valve knows what is going to happen.Gameplay-wise Half-Life was boring as hell. Standard "dungeon" shooter, lonely guy walking through corridors and killing "demons". No difference from Doom at all.Killzone 2 sets a new standard. It is the standard all other FPSes will be compared to from now on. Many other games had kicked Halo's butt before (like CoD), Killzone beats Halo, leaves it unconscious, urinates on it, take a dump at Master Chiefs mouth and leave him there.  Master Chief then wakes up chocking on someone else's feaces and wonder what happened.That's it. Killzone 2 is not a Halo killer, it is a Halo humiliator and destroyer. "

"thiago said:

"Half-Life was a natural evolution of the genre because of the more CPU, RAM and disk space available. The original Wolfenstein and Doom were distributed in floppy disks. By the time Half-Life was released CD and sound cards were already standard. The story telling is good in a "gamy" way, i.e., it doesn't suck. But it is not good by any other standard, because the story is so confusing and convoluted that not even Valve knows what is going to happen.Gameplay-wise Half-Life was boring as hell. Standard "dungeon" shooter, lonely guy walking through corridors and killing "demons". No difference from Doom at all.Killzone 2 sets a new standard. It is the standard all other FPSes will be compared to from now on. Many other games had kicked Halo's butt before (like CoD), Killzone beats Halo, leaves it unconscious, urinates on it, take a dump at Master Chiefs mouth and leave him there.  Master Chief then wakes up chocking on someone else's feaces and wonder what happened.That's it. Killzone 2 is not a Halo killer, it is a Halo humiliator and destroyer. "

You say all that, with no evidence whatsoever that can hold those statements up."

Killzone 2 is the best FPS made to date and it is a system seller. It perfects everything FPSes have,but also introduces some game changing innovations like the cover mechanics and leveling up system for multiplayer. It is going to sell similarly to MGS4.

"Do you know when Half-Life was released? I think Half-Life is one of those virgin things, just like Halo. If you are a FPS virgin then you think "wow, that's awesome", if you played other FPS games then you say  "ah, ok". That's the issue here, you liked Half-Life because you didn't know anything else at the time.Just check the precursors of the FPS, wolfenstein and Doom, they were released when CD-ROMs weren't a standard PC part. The same for soundcard. It is only a matter of time until some game used them in a more interesting way. The gameplay itself is the standard FPS: Dumb AI, lonely warrior, demons. Killzone 2 trumps all that. The AI alone is light years ahead."

*watches*

"*watches*"

Looking through this thread...wow. Do people play the games that they talk about, check reviews of them beforehand to know that they're even close to right, maybe even glance at a wikipedia article? No? Alrighty then.

Dude, you're a flop Dr_Cash.  You haven't changed your Icon/Banner, you have 0 Points, and all you do is spew stupid shit like this in our forums.

Who cares what games/systems are "better" in your opinion.  We can also research the sales of a game ourselves and compare them too, so there really is no need for you to make a post like this.

Just play games that you enjoy and make positive posts about them, within their respective forums.  You know, like chat with others who like games like you do.

What's your point in coming here and saying this at all, anyway?  The ratio of PS3's sold to XBOX360's is less, so a game on the PS3 will have less sales, yes you're correct...  and the PS3 has also had a year less to sell and costs more, making it out of some peoples price ranges.

Anyway, just a bit of advice, being a negative person won't get you far in life.  The GB Staff should just delete Accounts like yours, if you're not going to contribute to the Community... just my thoughts.

I had fun clicking the little minus sign on this post.

"thiago said:

"Do you know when Half-Life was released? I think Half-Life is one of those virgin things, just like Halo. If you are a FPS virgin then you think "wow, that's awesome", if you played other FPS games then you say  "ah, ok". That's the issue here, you liked Half-Life because you didn't know anything else at the time.Just check the precursors of the FPS, wolfenstein and Doom, they were released when CD-ROMs weren't a standard PC part. The same for soundcard. It is only a matter of time until some game used them in a more interesting way. The gameplay itself is the standard FPS: Dumb AI, lonely warrior, demons. Killzone 2 trumps all that. The AI alone is light years ahead."

My first PC game was Doom. I've been playing FPS games since I was 3 years old. You don't need to give me a history lecture; I know it better than you do. I know when Half Life was released. This post, all in all, was a clever dodge (though easily detected) of what I asked you to do: present any possibly acceptable evidence to back up your claims that: A) Killzone 2 is a system seller, B) Killzone 2 somehow destroys Halo 3, C) (from your earlier post) Killzone 2 somehow manages to innovate cover mechanics and class-based leveling systems (all of which have been done before), D) It manages to perfect the FPS genre as we know it (which we know isn't true, given the legitimate criticisms levelled at the story and related issues), and finally, E) That it is in any way shape or form the best FPS to date.Let's see if the troll can pull it off."

No, Halo is better than Killzone.  Well, at least from a standpoint of what it offers to those who like the core game.  Killzone is really just a solid shooter the best graphics available.

And for those wondering, yes, I'm a self admitted Halo fanboy essentially.  That being said, there's a reason for that.  It's called it drew me in with Halo: CE.  There was just something special and unique about it.  It's not like say mario  where he's recieved a complete change.
I'm not one to be to fond of ratings, but nearly every site rated Halo3  higher than Killzone 2.  Hell, Killzone 2 might drop below AAA at gamerankings.

Let it be clear, Killzone 2 is great.  But I do feel like people are grasping at it to much in order to pretend it the Ps3's halo.  Because Resistance was suppose to be...and that sucks...

Oh, I missed an argument with thiago? Damn. It's so much fun watching him troll.

Some sites are biased towards MS, but they try to hide it. Some others are every outspoken about it. It is a mix of fanboyism, politics and the reality. They would never give Killzone 2 a score higher than Halo. So some times decided to bash it altogether, those more fanboy-oriented. Some others decided to make a good review, but make sure to subtract points enough to make it lower than it actually deserves (e.g., Gamespot, IGN). This way they are trying to please the PS3 fanboys,  because the review is essentially good, and the 360 fanboys because the final score is lower than Halo.

Did you see Gamespot's review? By listening to the review you would think it was a 10, but they gave it a 9 using the lame excuse as "story" to take a whole point from it.

Curiously games like GTA4, where the characters don't even have facial expressions, got a 10.

The scores aren't coherent at all. KIllzone 2 is better than Halo, and by far. Halo may be more appealing to kids, because it is so colorful. It is like a mix of Barney, that purple dinosaur, and Power Rangers. It appeals to kids more.

"You don't sound like you know what you are talking about. I already described all those things in other posts, but here we go again:A) Killzone 2 is the most impressive game released to date on the PS3, both technologically and gameplay-wise. That alone places it along titles such as MGS4, which was a system seller;B) Killzone 2 has better AI, graphics, praticle systems, multiplayer (leveling, ribbons, chained modes, etc) and story. Unlike Halo, which looks like some kind of cheesy japanese series like Power Rangers (the original japanese versions of 5 colorful heroes), the game is dirty, more realistic and it gives you the impression of a real war. It is still a videogame, but it is the closest thing in videogames to a war simulation. It is a lot better than Call of Duty, where the character has no weight and the war feel is not as good;C) Killzone 2 innovates in cover because cover hadn't been used in FPS before. It was used in Rainbow Six, but the perspective jumped to third person when you got cover. The way it is implement is unique and it adds to the gameplay because the enemies also seek protection. The cover makes sense because if you are being a thing material the bullets get through, and otherwise if you behind a resistent material you are protected. The multiplayer is also unique, because of how the matches happen. The many types of matches happen in a sequence. Also, the game is interesting because in the beginning you don't have many choices, but then as you level up you gain access to new classes and weapons. This is good because if you are new to the game you don't need to worry about choices most of the time you don't understand yet. Unlike other games where leveling up occurs, this time it will give you benefits, like more ammo or the option of other guns. So it is not just an icon you get saying your a "general" or a "major", but it is actually meaningful in the game;D) It is the best FPS to date because of the war simulation aspect and realism. Realism is the key and that's what makes FPS different. Besides, the gameplay is more interesting than a lonely warrior killing demons through corridors. Killzone is a lot like COD4, but it is better. I didn't see people complaining about the ludicrous COD story line (Soap? Haha), so why is this so important with Killzone? If you don't know Killzone's story then you are ignorant, it is not the game's fault. The story is better than most other FPS games (it is surely better than the entire Call of Duty series combined);E) The reasons highlighted above. The great gameplay enhanced by the cover innovation, plus the perfected multiplayer, with a unique mechanics, plus the astounding graphics, AI, physics. The carefully crafted soundtrack and scenarios. This game is a work of art! It is beautiful to look at, the music is great and it is FUN! It makes it the best FPS to date. Killzone 2 kicked Master Chief in the teeth. This game is awesome and worth the wait. Don't be a fanboy, give credit where credit is due. Maybe the next great game will be on the 360, who knows. TODAY is Guerrilla's day. They deserve it and they f**cking owned the competition. Haha."

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Some sites are biased towards MS, but they try to hide it. Some others are every outspoken about it. It is a mix of fanboyism, politics and the reality. They would never give Killzone 2 a score higher than Halo. So some times decided to bash it altogether, those more fanboy-oriented. Some others decided to make a good review, but make sure to subtract points enough to make it lower than it actually deserves (e.g., Gamespot, IGN). This way they are trying to please the PS3 fanboys,  because the review is essentially good, and the 360 fanboys because the final score is lower than Halo.

Did you see Gamespot's review? By listening to the review you would think it was a 10, but they gave it a 9 using the lame excuse as "story" to take a whole point from it.

Curiously games like GTA4, where the characters don't even have facial expressions, got a 10.

The scores aren't coherent at all. KIllzone 2 is better than Halo, and by far. Halo may be more appealing to kids, because it is so colorful. It is like a mix of Barney, that purple dinosaur, and Power Rangers. It appeals to kids more.

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I stopped playing killzone after i got the general rank and the scout class. and i cant even bothered to finish the "story" mode.

"People can't shoot  backwards where they can't see. The cover in Gears of War is ridiculously unrealistic. The first person cover is more realistic because you eyes can't jump out of its sockets and go behind you to see where the enemies are. You shouldn't be able to see anything if your face is close to rock.

It makes all sense in the world because if you are in a fire fight you won't stand still shooting at someone else. You wouldn't strafe like mad to avoid get shot like in so many FPS, or even jump like a rabit. WTF! Seeking cover is a basic tactic in real life, and you can't have realism unless you mimic real life.

The multiplayer is the improvement over what already it exists, with some interesting innovations. Yes, the transition between different types of matches is an innovation, because nobody thought of that before. It makes the game faster and it gives another experience when playing it. And so is the leveling up and ribbon system, where you get things because of your levels and also when you complete specific tasks.

And what is "realistic" to you? Halo? Haha. Give me a break, fanboy. Killzone is a lot like COD, which is a war simulator, but it manages to be more intense and more realistic because of the weight, AI, physics and cover. Also the animations are excellent, they don't look like the lifeless ragdolls in Half-Life 2.

Ok, this story is bad BS is really the last resort of desperation for fanboys. They don't what do complain about, then they complain about the story, when in fact it is better than most FPSes. COD4 story is a f**cking joke. I don't even remember what that was about, I only remember the faceless and voiceless Soap. WIth Killzone even the haters know about the Helghast, the most awesome enemies in a FPS. Is this a sign that the the story works? Hehe.I don't really know who is Price? Who is he in COD4? And was all that about a nuclear attack? Because it didn't look like. I mean I played the entire game and you jumped from the Middle East to Russia and then to somewhere else. I don't even remember the plot. Hahahahahaha."

you an idiot

"you an idiot"

"I stopped playing killzone after i got the general rank and the scout class. and i cant even bothered to finish the "story" mode.

 Flop or not im trading it in for RE5 next week

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"I don't think you're a real Doctor."

LOUD NOISES.

"I would't call 750K the first week a flop, but certainly it doesn't compare very favorably to something like Halo 3 (~3.8M week one) or Gears 2 (~1.9M week one) which I would say are "the competition", as in other high profile single platform shooters."

There was only two posts that caught my eye, the one with brang and the one that said lesbian porn otherwise this thread  was kinda boring. Although I'm going go out there and say you can look up lesbians on your PS3 so put that in you xbox and smoke it xtards! Wootizzle my frizzle dizzles.

Killzone 2 basically reignited my hate for snipers, snipers in games are always the scum of the earth. If you snipe in games realize you will never know the thrill of running around like a retarded Arnold on meth with a rocket launcher and super speed.

"Opps sorry for the mis spells I meant boring. It's true the whole Helguist story is pretty lame."

Ugh... why can't people just play the games they like and have a normal civil discussion about them. Honestly, I've never liked Halo, but I did like the original KZ. Even though the first KZ got bad reviews I really enjoyed it. Just like I'm going to enjoy KZ 2, and continue disliking the Halo style of fps. You need to realize that everyone is different. No matter how much "evidence" is in favor of an OPINION, you can't be right. We get it ok, you don't like Sony, you don't like KZ, and thats fine. But seriously, I hate Halo with a passion and have you ever seen any thread I've posted telling people why I hate it and how my opinion is right? Grow up dude. Video games are to be enjoyed, not argued over. 

What happened to the cool trolls, like Levio?

This thread is still hilarious, and it should be saved for future posterity.

I can't believe this abominable excuse of a thread hasn't been locked yet.

 WIth Killzone even the haters know about the Helghast, the most awesome enemies in a FPS.

"If you snipe in games realize you will never know the thrill of running around like a retarded Arnold on meth with a rocket launcher and super speed."

Uhhh I think I maybe lost... can someone tell me where I am?

The problem is that not many European PS3 owners are not FPS fans like Americans

And theres not that many PS3's in America.

"Wait wait wait... Did someone seriously compare Half Life, Killzone, and Halo to Doom?"

"Dr_Cash said:

"brang"

Well there's something you don't see everyday."

"I can't believe this abominable excuse of a thread hasn't been locked yet."

This thread is a flop.

You know, for install base it seems to have sold pretty well.  I dunno, just my thought.  Maybe im a 2 week old ps3 fanboy.

"Dr_Cash said:

"brang"

Well there's something you don't see everyday."

Yeah, the demo of Killzone 2 saved alot of peoples money

"Dr_Cash said:

"The problem with Killzone 2 is it really brang nothing new to the table. I can only imagine how bad COD 6 Modern Warfare 2 will smack it."

And what was so new for Halo 3, all it is is Halo 2 with better GFX."

"Yeah, the demo of Killzone 2 saved alot of peoples money"