The Consummate Wii Games List

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#1 Edited by Meowayne (6084 posts) -

 With the growing userbase and popularity of Nintendo's latest home console as well as the swift enlargement of the ranks of high-quality Wii games, there is need of a new, proper place to turn to for a comprehensive list of recommendable games for that little white box.

Have some cash to spare, and a Wii on your shelf collecting dust? Or just generally looking for a new game to get? Chances are there are a few titles below that you might just have a great time with.

For the Decisive Quality DS Games List, click here.
For the Super Duper PS3 Games List, click here.
For the Fabulous PSP Games List, click here.

Currently Available Must-Haves = Games that would feel at home in any collection regardless of genre preferences
Second-Tier Awesomeness = Games that may require love of their genre or feature some drastic artistic / gameplay decisions but are still worthy of any collection
Fan Favourites = Niche titles or games that may not be universally / critically acclaimed, but still have a high amount of followers. May not be for everyone, but still worth looking into.
Wiiware Must-Haves = Wiiware games that you MUST at least try, period.
Wiiware Second-Tier Awesomeness = Same as above, but for Wiiware.
Upcoming Titles = Games that have not yet been released, but are looked forward to by many. 

 

GAME ORDER IN ANY CATEGORY IS RANDOM. THEY ARE NOT RANKED. UPDATED 12/20/10.

 

Currently Available Must-Haves:


1. Super Mario Galaxy 2
2. Silent Hill: Shattered Memories
3. Donkey Kong Country Returns
4. Super Mario Galaxy
5. Little King's Story
6. Monster Hunter Tri
7. The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
8. Metroid Prime Trilogy
9. New Super Mario Bros. Wii
10. Super Smash Bros. Brawl
11. No More Heroes 2: Desperate Struggle
12. Tatsunoko vs. Capcom: Ultimate All Stars
13. A Boy and His Blob
14. Wii Sports Resort
15. de Blob
16. Dead Space Extraction
17. Mario Kart Wii
18. Red Steel 2
19. Kirby's Epic Yarn
20. Sin & Punishment: Star Successor
21. Boom Blox Bash Party
22. GoldenEye 007

 

Second-Tier Awesomeness:


1. Fatal Frame IV: Mask of the Lunar Eclipse

Survival Horror

2. Call of Duty: Black Ops

FPS

3. Metroid: Other M

Action

4. Muramasa: The Demon Blade

Action/RPG

5. The House of the Dead: OVERKILL

Arcade Shooter

6. Rune Factory: Frontier

Sim/RPG

7. Trauma Center: Second Opinion

Puzzle

8. Punch-Out!!

Fighter

9. Trauma Center: New Blood

Medical drama / Puzzle

10. Trauma Team

Medical drama / Puzzle

11. MadWorld

Action/Brawler

12. Zack & Wiki: Quest for Barbaros' Treasure

Adventure

13. NBA Jam
14. No More Heroes

Action/Brawler

15. Dawn of Discovery
16. Excitebots: Trick Racing

Funracer

17. WarioWare: Smooth Moves

Microgame Compilation

18. Resident Evil 4

Wii Edition - Action/Adventure

19. Ōkami

Wii Edition - Action/Adventure

20. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare Reflex Edition

FPS

21. Rabbids Go Home

Platformer

22. Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn

Strategy RPG

23. Wario Land: Shake It!

Platformer

24. Super Paper Mario

RPG / Platformer

25. Blast Works: Build, Trade, Destroy

Schmup/Creative

26. Sonic & Sega All-Stars Racing

Funracer

 

Fan Favorites:


1. Animal Crossing: City Folk

Adventure(?)

2. Endless Ocean

Adventure/Sim

3. Resident Evil: The Darkside Chronicles

Arcade Shooter

4. Disney Epic Mickey
5. DJ Hero

Music

6. Endless Ocean: Blue World

Adventure/Sim

7. Bully: Scholarship Edition

Action/Adventure

8. The Godfather: Blackhand Edition

Action/Adventure

9. Star Wars: The Force Unleashed

Action/adventure

10. Klonoa: Door to Phantomile

Platformer

11. New Play Control

Series - div.

12. Rayman Raving Rabbids TV Party

Party game

13. LEGO Star Wars: The Complete Saga

Action/Adventure

14. Geometry Wars: Galaxies

Arcade

15. Mario Strikers Charged

Fun/Soccer

16. Tiger Woods PGA Tour 10

Golf

17. EA Sports Active

Fitness

18. Wii Fit Plus

Fitness

19. Madden NFL 10

Football

20. NHL 10
21. Grand Slam Tennis

Tennis

22. Resident Evil Archives

Survival Horror

23. Battalion Wars 2

Strategy/Action

24. Elebits

Action

25. The Sky Crawlers: Innocent Aces

Flightsim/Action

26. Deadly Creatures

Action/adventure

27. MLB Power Pros 2008

Baseball

28. Marble Saga: Kororinpa

MP Puzzle/Dexterity

29. Shiren the Wanderer

Roguelike RPG

30. Tenchu: Shadow Assassins

Action Adventure

31. Fragile Dreams: Farewell Ruins of the Moon

Adventure

32. Prince of Persia: The Forgotten Sands

Action Adventure

33. Wii Party

Party. Duh.

34. Rock Band 3

Music/Rhythm

35. Guitar Hero 5
36. Sonic Colors
37. Pro Evolution Soccer 2011
 

Wiiware Must-Haves:


1. World of Goo

Puzzle/Adventure

2. LostWinds: Winter of the Melodias

Puzzle/Platformer

3. Fluidity

Puzzle/Adventure

4. Mega Man 9

Platformer

5. NyxQuest: Kindred Spirits

Puzzle/Platformer

6. Bit.Trip

Arcade/Action/Music

7. Castlevania: The Adventure ReBirth

Castlevania!

8. Swords & Soldiers

Strategy

9. MaBoShi: The Three Shape Arcade

Puzzle

10. Contra ReBirth

Action

11. Cave Story

Action/Platformer

12. Mega Man 10

Action/Platformer

13. Art Of Balance

Puzzle

14. Bit.Trip RUNNER

Music / Platformer

15. Rage of the Gladiator

Fighting

Wiiware Second-Tier Awesomeness:

1. Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: My Life as a King

City Building / Strategy

2. Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: My Life As a Darklord

Tower Defense

3. Max and the Magic Marker

Puzzle/Platformer

4. Tales of Monkey Island

Adventure

5. Bomberman Blast

Arcade

6. Tetris Party

Arcade

7. Strong Bad's Cool Game for Attractive People

Adventure

8. Bonsai Barber

Puzzle?

9. Toki Tori

Puzzle/Platformer

10. LIT

Horror/Puzzle

11. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney

Adventure

12. Sonic the Hedgehog 4: Episode 1

Platformer

 

Upcoming Titles:


1. The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword

Action/Adventure

2. The Last Story

RPG

3. Dragon Quest X

RPG

4. Xenoblade

RPG

5. Pikmin 3

Strategy

6. Zangeki no Reginleiv

Strategy/Action

7. Tales of Graces

RPG

8. de Blob 2

3D Platformer / Adventure

9. Mario Sports Mix

Sports Collection

10. The Conduit 2

FPS

11. The Sims 3

Sim

12. La-Mulana

Sidescroller (Wiiware)

13. Super Meat Boy

Platformer (Wiiware)

 

What if my primary enjoyment in video games is blowing shit up and shooting people in the face?

Get a PS3/360 and I mean it. I don't have anything against the systems (I am a very happy 360 owner), but they should be the systems of your choice if you're primarily in it for the killing.

What if I like racing games?

Get a PS3/360. Seriously.

None of these games look interesting to me!

Yes. Wii games rarely do. They usually don't shove guns, fancy shaders, breasts, balding space marines and other badassery in your face are rarely part of any hype machine; you will never find out whether or not you can enjoy top titles like Little King's Story, Wii Sports Resort or DeBlob if you only look at title and cover; much like in the old days®, most Wii games demand to be played for any kind of fair judgement.

I have a game to add / I feel like a game doesn't deserve to be on there!

That's what this thread is for. The list is open for discussion and addition.
#2 Posted by Godwind (2597 posts) -

 -Remove The Grinder, High Voltage Software failed us
-I thought Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: My Life as a Darklord was the tower defense game
-Tales of Monkey Island actually works well enough to be listed?

#3 Posted by Mushir (2389 posts) -

Lists. Sweet.

#4 Posted by Driadon (3012 posts) -
@Godwind said:
"  -I thought Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: My Life as a Darklord was the tower defense game  
You'd be right. My Life as a King is a city building strategy game, where as Darklord is a tower defence game. That said, both deserve to be up there.
#5 Edited by Geno (6477 posts) -

I think about half the games in first tier belong in second tier, while RE4 and Okami should definitely be first tier. There are other games that seem to be there to only fill out the list; Sky Crawlers? Mercury Meltdown? I have heard acclaim neither from players or critics on these titles. Also your generalization about the other systems is quite unfair, have you heard of XBLA? Steam? There's more than just "guns, breasts, and fancy shaders" there, so much so that the Wii's library is almost a mote in comparison.
#6 Posted by Willy105 (4691 posts) -

I need to buy more Wii games.
 
The games I have aren't even there!

#7 Posted by InTheEnd (268 posts) -

The games that are ACTUALLY worth your time:  
 
Silent Hill: Shattered Memories 
No More Heroes 2: Desperate Struggle 
Muramasa: The Demon Blade 
Resident Evil 4 
Resident Evil Archives  

#8 Posted by Claude (16254 posts) -

I'm really looking forward to Endless Ocean: Blue World. I just bought Grand Slam Tennis, wanted another Motion Plus game, and I'm liking it. I found I can use either my left and or right hand during gameplay. The Wii Remote fits me like a glove.
 
Tiger Woods 11 for the Wii should be even better this year. How that game has progressed since TW 07 is impressive. EA says the last two years TW was built from the ground up for the Wii. I still feel there's some PS2 code in there somewhere. I've seen the same bugs and animations for the last 7 years. They also need to tighten up the graphics somehow, not cartoony, but something.

#9 Posted by JJOR64 (19051 posts) -

Dead Space Extraction is a much have?               j/k
 
Awesome list.  I really, really, REALLY want to get No More Heroes 2.  To bad I'm poor right now.

#10 Posted by Godwind (2597 posts) -
@Driadon said:
" @Godwind said:
"  -I thought Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: My Life as a Darklord was the tower defense game  
You'd be right. My Life as a King is a city building strategy game, where as Darklord is a tower defence game. That said, both deserve to be up there. "
They both look overpriced to me.
#11 Posted by Driadon (3012 posts) -
@Godwind said:
" @Driadon said:
" @Godwind said:
"  -I thought Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: My Life as a Darklord was the tower defense game  
You'd be right. My Life as a King is a city building strategy game, where as Darklord is a tower defence game. That said, both deserve to be up there. "
They both look overpriced to me. "
You get a good amount of game with them, but, yes, $15 is out of the sweet spot for most gamers.
#12 Posted by oldschool (7264 posts) -

I will take a closer look at this tonight, but an obvious missing "Must Have" for me was the game I had the MOST fun with last year - House of Dead: Overkill.  It was an absolute blast from beginning to end - swearing that was just funny, plenty of mutants to kill and a story that will leave you shocked and in fits of laughter.  Plus, it is a shooty, killy game - fun for all the family  ^-^

#13 Posted by Icemael (6355 posts) -

Mario Kart Wii and Twilight Princess are must-haves, but Resident Evil 4, Okami and Zack & Wiki aren't? Really?

#14 Edited by Al3xand3r (7574 posts) -
@Geno said:

"Sky Crawlers? Mercury Meltdown? I have heard acclaim neither from players or critics on these titles."

Then you haven't been looking, plenty of the "known" outlets have rated both of those games well, and there are plenty positive impressions from communities like GAF. It's not hard to at least look at metacritic before making such comments since you involve critics in your statements.
#15 Posted by TheGreatGuero (9130 posts) -

Man, I certainly wouldn't call all those must-haves, but okay. Still, it looks like you covered most of the good games.

#16 Posted by Meowayne (6084 posts) -

 Remove The Grinder, High Voltage Software failed us

They have, and they probably will, but I will not condemn or rate The Grinder before anyone has played it.

I thought Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: My Life as a Darklord was the tower defense game

Oh yeah, my bad.

RE4 and Okami should definitely be first tier [...] Mario Kart Wii and Twilight Princess are must-haves, but Resident Evil 4, Okami and Zack & Wiki aren't? Really?

RE4Wii and Okami are PS2 games with enhanced controls. Don't get me wrong, they are great - but I didn't feel comfortable including it in the console's must-haves. Mario Kart Wii, yes. Why not? It is one of the most popular Wii games, one of the most popular Wii Online games, and it appeals to a very wide range of audiences - as opposed to Zack&Wiki, which is certainly one of the console's top titles, but also a major turn-off for many people, even if they would give it a chance.

Sky Crawlers? Mercury Meltdown? I have heard acclaim neither from players or critics on these titles.

See Al3x's post.

Also your generalization about the other systems is quite unfair, have you heard of XBLA? Steam? There's more than just "guns, breasts, and fancy shaders" there

I will have to change that if this is what it sounds like. I did not want to say anything about the other systems. I own a 360 and am quite happy with it. I was being serious: If you are a gamer that primarily plays for guns and explosions (and that is the vast majority), then you should get one of the HD consoles, these will serve you better. It doesn't say anything about what else there is available on these.

Just look at the post by "InTheEnd" to see just how limited some gamer's views are when it comes to choosing which games to give a chance.

Dead Space Extraction is a much have? 

 Yes, undoubtedly so. It is one of the best games of 09.
#17 Posted by Icemael (6355 posts) -
@Meowayne said:
"RE4Wii and Okami are PS2 games with enhanced controls. Don't get me wrong, they are great - but I didn't feel comfortable including it in the console's must-haves. Mario Kart Wii, yes. Why not? It is one of the most popular Wii games, one of the most popular Wii Online games, and it appeals to a very wide range of audiences - as opposed to Zack&Wiki, which is certainly one of the console's top titles, but also a major turn-off for many people, even if they would give it a chance."
Sure, they're last-generation games, but the updated controls make for very significant differences, especially in Resident Evil 4. Still, I see your point.
 
The reason I don't think Mario Kart Wii deserves a spot on the "must-have" list is that the competitive aspect of the game is practically nonexistent which. It's a quality game and can definitely be a lot of fun, but the way the item distribution works not only discourages skill-based competition, it prevents it. They could easily have added an option to remove the rubber banding, and the decision to make it mandatory just seems really lazy to me.
 
I know Mario Kart Wii isn't supposed to be a strict, complicated, super-competitive kind of racing game, and believe me, I don't want it to be, but they went a little bit too far in trying to make it accessible.
#18 Posted by eroticfishcake (7787 posts) -

Looks like a pretty solid list of Wii games and another reminder if what I'm missing. Ugh. Stupid college books and stupid tuition fees...
 
Anyway, thanks for linking this to AgentJ's and my lists of games. I'll throw in a link in my lists as well. Now we just need a 360 list.

#19 Posted by Geno (6477 posts) -
@Al3xand3r said:
"@Geno said:

"Sky Crawlers? Mercury Meltdown? I have heard acclaim neither from players or critics on these titles."

Then you haven't been looking, plenty of the "known" outlets have rated both of those games well, and there are plenty positive impressions from communities like GAF. It's not hard to at least look at metacritic before making such comments since you involve critics in your statements. "
So I'll take your advice: 
 
Metacritic:  
 
Sky Crawlers - 74 Critic Score, 76 User score.
Mercury Meltdown - 77 Critic Score, 73 User score. 
 
Though not poor, I hardly see how such middling scores from both users and critics alike qualifies them as "fan favorites". If that's the case any game even marginally good could be called a fan favorite. And if you want to see positive impressions from GAF on more obscure games check out their massive threads on Torchlight, Dwarf Fortress or World of Goo (which were obscure before being brought to the attention of the mass gamer audience). Just because someone made a positive comment on a game from a board populated by tens of thousands of people doesn't mean the community showed a positive impression as a whole; in fact the little bit of love for Sky Crawlers that I found was made before the game was even released, and I saw next to nothing for Mercury Meltdown. There is not enough of a general consensus on their quality to justify them as fan favorites.
#20 Edited by AgentJ (8778 posts) -
@Geno said:

" @Al3xand3r said:

"@Geno said:

"Sky Crawlers? Mercury Meltdown? I have heard acclaim neither from players or critics on these titles."

Then you haven't been looking, plenty of the "known" outlets have rated both of those games well, and there are plenty positive impressions from communities like GAF. It's not hard to at least look at metacritic before making such comments since you involve critics in your statements. "
So I'll take your advice: 
 
Metacritic:  
 
Sky Crawlers - 74 Critic Score, 76 User score.
Mercury Meltdown - 77 Critic Score, 73 User score. 
 
Though not poor, I hardly see how such middling scores from both users and critics alike qualifies them as "fan favorites". If that's the case any game even marginally good could be called a fan favorite. And if you want to see positive impressions from GAF on more obscure games check out their massive threads on Torchlight, Dwarf Fortress or World of Goo (which were obscure before being brought to the attention of the mass gamer audience). Just because someone made a positive comment on a game from a board populated by tens of thousands of people doesn't mean the community showed a positive impression as a whole; in fact the little bit of love for Sky Crawlers that I found was made before the game was even released, and I saw next to nothing for Mercury Meltdown. There is not enough of a general consensus on their quality to justify them as fan favorites. "
The title of the section they are under is misleading, but the definition is less so. Games in the "Fan Favorites" section are niche titles, and both games certainly are that. Some people will find those games to be the bee's knees, so I think "Niche" is very appropriate. 
@eroticfishcake said:
" Looks like a pretty solid list of Wii games and another reminder if what I'm missing. Ugh. Stupid college books and stupid tuition fees...  Anyway, thanks for linking this to AgentJ's and my lists of games. I'll throw in a link in my lists as well. Now we just need a 360 list. "
Yes, we should get on PureRok about finishing that one up. Then we can start doing retro console lists! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
#21 Edited by Al3xand3r (7574 posts) -
@Geno said:

" @Al3xand3r said:

"@Geno said:

"Sky Crawlers? Mercury Meltdown? I have heard acclaim neither from players or critics on these titles."

Then you haven't been looking, plenty of the "known" outlets have rated both of those games well, and there are plenty positive impressions from communities like GAF. It's not hard to at least look at metacritic before making such comments since you involve critics in your statements. "
So I'll take your advice: 
 
Metacritic:  
 
Sky Crawlers - 74 Critic Score, 76 User score.
Mercury Meltdown - 77 Critic Score, 73 User score.
So, from not seeing any critic praise, now you have to see praise from everyone to consider it may be worthwhile? Like I told you to go see the average score and I didn't specifically say that several of the big outlets rated those games highly. Ie, Eurogamer, GameSpot, NWR, GamePro, Jolt Online, CVG, GameSpy, 1UP,  Edge, IGN, Destructoid, and others. And you didn't see any positive opinions? As for user comments, how do you qualify which to believe and which not to? You made a ridiculous claim that was flat out false and now try to save it by moving the goalposts and posting absolute crap about how I only saw one off-hand comment or whatever made up shit. Get real. Torchlight isn't niche, it's a freaking Diablo clone, and yes, at first only those into indie games anticipated and hyped it, but guess what, NeoGAF has plenty of those people within, including myself. Dwarf Fortress has more pages on NeoGAF than plenty other games, many of which I'm sure you enjoy. And it's free so anyone can play and post about it. It seems the only real qualifier that would suit your needs is for you to basically agree with the positive impressions of others, whether because you like the games yourself, or because you can see their quality even if you aren't really into them. I'm sorry, bad news: opinions differ.
#22 Edited by Geno (6477 posts) -
@Al3xand3r: 
Nobody is moving goalposts, it's just that you prefer to argue semantics rather than real issues. If I say "no support" colloquially "little support" is also included; the point is there's no justification that the game is even remotely as popular with the fans as it needs to be in order to be considered a fan favorite. Their inclusion sets a precedent that basically any game with even a marginal amount of support can be included as a fan favorite. And when did I make a false claim? You told me to look at metacritic and I did, to be greeted by middling scores. And Torchlight was niche before indie gamers got excited about it; the first time I saw it on Steam I didn't even pay 2 seconds of attention, there was no marketing for it. A week later the internet was buzzing. By the way, stop saying "moving goalposts", you use it in the wrong circumstance about 90% of the time.
 


@AgentJ:

 

I understand what "niche" means and Dwarf Fortress or Mount and Blade (albeit PC games) are perfect examples of such games. They are less well known, may or may not have gotten mixed reviews, but have a strong, reasonably sized, and devoted following. The number of mods for Mount and Blade easily outnumber the Source Mods out there for example. However, I just don't see that for games like Sky Crawlers. Yes, some people out there undoubtedly liked it (just as I'm sure at least one person enjoyed Big Rigs) but that doesn't really make it a fan favorite without more justification. Show me websites completely dedicated to every aspect of these games, or a 2 dozen page thread on Neogaf and I'll be convinced. At this point it's looking like any game where even one person enjoyed it can qualify as a fan favorite. 
#23 Posted by Godwind (2597 posts) -
@Driadon said:
" @Godwind said:
" @Driadon said:
" @Godwind said:
"  -I thought Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: My Life as a Darklord was the tower defense game  
You'd be right. My Life as a King is a city building strategy game, where as Darklord is a tower defence game. That said, both deserve to be up there. "
They both look overpriced to me. "
You get a good amount of game with them, but, yes, $15 is out of the sweet spot for most gamers. "
Not quite.  You need to get the DLC to get the complete game, which can be annoying.
#24 Posted by AgentJ (8778 posts) -
@Geno said:
" @AgentJ: I understand what "niche" means and Dwarf Fortress or Mount and Blade (albeit PC games) are perfect examples of such games. They are less well known, may or may not have gotten mixed reviews, but have a strong, reasonably sized, and devoted following. The number of mods for Mount and Blade easily outnumber the Source Mods out there for example. However, I just don't see that for games like Sky Crawlers. Yes, some people out there undoubtedly liked it (just as I'm sure at least one person enjoyed Big Rigs) but that doesn't really make it a fan favorite without more justification. Show me websites completely dedicated to every aspect of these games, or a 2 dozen page thread on Neogaf and I'll be convinced. At this point it's looking like any game where even one person enjoyed it can qualify as a fan favorite. "
Like I said, "Fan Favorite" was not a good choice of words. Maybe even niche, at least in the way you think of the word, isn't the proper way to describe those games. For me and my comparable DS list, I didn't even bother looking at metacritic or other sites like that.  I started with the games I know first hand, then went to games I've seen, and the rest were thanks to other people's testimony. The trick to it is leaving preferences out of the equation, which can be tougher than it sounds, and being able to see the inherent quality in a game that you don't even like, or putting a game you love lower on the list because it's not as good as you want to think it is (Elite Beat Agents). Using coverage as a benchmark, especially for wii games, doesn't make a lot of sense to me, as dozens of great games have flown under the radar for the console because no one pays attention to it these days.  
 
I think the real sticking point for you is the word choice, so here's a way to make things easier for you. Just think of the first bunch as the best of the best, the second section as the slightly not as good games, and the third as the games that aren't quite as good as the second section. It's a great way to show which games are the best without individually ranking each of them (which is a huge pain and promotes a lot of unnecessary complaints)
 
By the way, this very site did a quick look of Sky Crawlers less than a month ago, so it is getting some coverage. 
#25 Posted by Geno (6477 posts) -
@AgentJ said:
" @Geno said:
" @AgentJ: I understand what "niche" means and Dwarf Fortress or Mount and Blade (albeit PC games) are perfect examples of such games. They are less well known, may or may not have gotten mixed reviews, but have a strong, reasonably sized, and devoted following. The number of mods for Mount and Blade easily outnumber the Source Mods out there for example. However, I just don't see that for games like Sky Crawlers. Yes, some people out there undoubtedly liked it (just as I'm sure at least one person enjoyed Big Rigs) but that doesn't really make it a fan favorite without more justification. Show me websites completely dedicated to every aspect of these games, or a 2 dozen page thread on Neogaf and I'll be convinced. At this point it's looking like any game where even one person enjoyed it can qualify as a fan favorite. "
Like I said, "Fan Favorite" was not a good choice of words. Maybe even niche, at least in the way you think of the word, isn't the proper way to describe those games. For me and my comparable DS list, I didn't even bother looking at metacritic or other sites like that.  I started with the games I know first hand, then went to games I've seen, and the rest were thanks to other people's testimony. The trick to it is leaving preferences out of the equation, which can be tougher than it sounds, and being able to see the inherent quality in a game that you don't even like, or putting a game you love lower on the list because it's not as good as you want to think it is (Elite Beat Agents). Using coverage as a benchmark, especially for wii games, doesn't make a lot of sense to me, as dozens of great games have flown under the radar for the console because no one pays attention to it these days.   I think the real sticking point for you is the word choice, so here's a way to make things easier for you. Just think of the first bunch as the best of the best, the second section as the slightly not as good games, and the third as the games that aren't quite as good as the second section. It's a great way to show which games are the best without individually ranking each of them (which is a huge pain and promotes a lot of unnecessary complaints) By the way, this very site did a quick look of Sky Crawlers less than a month ago, so it is getting some coverage.  "

I never said that a game needed media coverage, if anything that is one of the least important attributes to being a fan favorite. The game has to have either achieved a high user rating from the fanbase itself, or an obvious general consensus (denoted for example, by large thread(s) or website(s) dedicated to it). For example, Dwarf Fortress is almost universally hailed as a great game and has a large following (both in those that play, those that watch, and others who simply read the stories), yet it's free and doesn't have a single review from a major publication.
#26 Edited by AgentJ (8778 posts) -
@Geno: I'm saying though that that isn't really what Meowayne was really going for. He's just trying to establish a 3 tier system similar to the one I used on the DS list and giving them some snazzy names. That's it. After all, it's not like Rock Band 2 is really "niche". This is all semantics.
#27 Posted by ZenaxPure (2569 posts) -
@Godwind: Honestly most the DLC in MLAAK was pretty meh, I still haven't gotten around to exploring a lot of it but I felt pretty satisfied by the default game. I didn't feel like part of the game was missing without it, especially for a downloadable game.  
 
Anyhow, nice list though I am still not a fan of separate categories for promoting at least decent games since like the thread shows it becomes far too opinion this opinion that. These sort of lists should be more of "hey these games might be worth checking out" not "must have" "maybe buy" categories etc.
#28 Posted by AgentJ (8778 posts) -
@Zenaxzd said:
" @Godwind: Honestly most the DLC in MLAAK was pretty meh, I still haven't gotten around to exploring a lot of it but I felt pretty satisfied by the default game. I didn't feel like part of the game was missing without it, especially for a downloadable game.   Anyhow, nice list though I am still not a fan of separate categories for promoting at least decent games since like the thread shows it becomes far too opinion this opinion that. These sort of lists should be more of "hey these games might be worth checking out" not "must have" "maybe buy" categories etc. "
But to be fair, there are some games on these lists that are better than others, and this way the whole thing doesn't become cluttered and hard to read. *Not surprising I'd defend this style since I used it first here*
#29 Edited by Geno (6477 posts) -
@AgentJ said:

" @Geno: I'm saying though that that isn't really what Meowayne was really going for. He's just trying to establish a 3 tier system similar to the one I used on the DS list and giving them some snazzy names. That's it. After all, it's not like Rock Band 2 is really "niche". This is all semantics. "

It's acceptable under a tier system, but I think most people's definition of fan favorite intersects with mine, i.e. the "hidden gem", "best game you never heard of", "player's darling" sort of thing. 
#30 Posted by AgentJ (8778 posts) -
@Geno said:
" @AgentJ said:

" @Geno: I'm saying though that that isn't really what Meowayne was really going for. He's just trying to establish a 3 tier system similar to the one I used on the DS list and giving them some snazzy names. That's it. After all, it's not like Rock Band 2 is really "niche". This is all semantics. "

It's acceptable under a tier system, but I think most people's definition of fan favorite intersects with mine, i.e. the "hidden gem", "best game you never heard of", "player's darling" sort of thing.  "
Maybe, but I think most people will get the gist of it
#31 Posted by Geno (6477 posts) -
@AgentJ said:
" @Geno said:
" @AgentJ said:

" @Geno: I'm saying though that that isn't really what Meowayne was really going for. He's just trying to establish a 3 tier system similar to the one I used on the DS list and giving them some snazzy names. That's it. After all, it's not like Rock Band 2 is really "niche". This is all semantics. "

It's acceptable under a tier system, but I think most people's definition of fan favorite intersects with mine, i.e. the "hidden gem", "best game you never heard of", "player's darling" sort of thing.  "
Maybe, but I think most people will get the gist of it "
Ok, with that aside, I would also like to ask why No More Heroes isn't in the "Must Have" category while NMH2 is? 
#32 Posted by AgentJ (8778 posts) -
@Geno said:
" @AgentJ said:
" @Geno said:
" @AgentJ said:

" @Geno: I'm saying though that that isn't really what Meowayne was really going for. He's just trying to establish a 3 tier system similar to the one I used on the DS list and giving them some snazzy names. That's it. After all, it's not like Rock Band 2 is really "niche". This is all semantics. "

It's acceptable under a tier system, but I think most people's definition of fan favorite intersects with mine, i.e. the "hidden gem", "best game you never heard of", "player's darling" sort of thing.  "
Maybe, but I think most people will get the gist of it "
Ok, with that aside, I would also like to ask why No More Heroes isn't in the "Must Have" category while NMH2 is?  "
That's a very good question. I mean, the sequel did make a number of improvements so to think it is better than the first isn't far-fetched, but I'm surprised that NMH isn't among the top games altogether, especially considering some of the others that did make the top.
#33 Posted by Geno (6477 posts) -

Personally I would also put Smash Bros. Brawl in Tier 2. I've been an avid player of Smash Bros. since the first and Brawl just left a bad taste in my mouth. 

#34 Posted by AgentJ (8778 posts) -
@Geno said:
" Personally I would also put Smash Bros. Brawl in Tier 2. I've been an avid player of Smash Bros. since the first and Brawl just left a bad taste in my mouth.  "
I love everything about Brawl save for "tripping", which should never have been thought of.
#35 Posted by Fallen189 (5050 posts) -

This is a brilliant list, and you should feel good about yourself.
 
I would recommend FF4: The after years. Kind of.
 
The actual game(s) are really good if you're an FF fan, especially of the FF4 game. However, the price point is fucking outrageous. I mean, there's other ways to...get it, but if I was paying, that would be far too much.

#36 Posted by Geno (6477 posts) -
@AgentJ said:
" @Geno said:
" Personally I would also put Smash Bros. Brawl in Tier 2. I've been an avid player of Smash Bros. since the first and Brawl just left a bad taste in my mouth.  "
I love everything about Brawl save for "tripping", which should never have been thought of. "
I didn't like its main theme; while the other ones appeared to go over the top intentionally I think Brawl actually tried to do an epic score (by enlisting Nobuo Uematsu, for one). This fell flat on its face, I didn't feel like the theme fit the game at all. The roster was also a bit lacking, and the much hyped adventure mode was basically no different than it was in Melee. There are also seemed to be quite a lot of collision detection issues which ruined the game for me; I never had a problem with the previous games but with this one I missed targets even if I hit them from point blank. Doesn't make it a terrible game, but definitely not one of my most memorable experiences on the Wii. 
#37 Posted by ZenaxPure (2569 posts) -
@Fallen189 said:
" This is a brilliant list, and you should feel good about yourself.  I would recommend FF4: The after years. Kind of.  The actual game(s) are really good if you're an FF fan, especially of the FF4 game. However, the price point is fucking outrageous. I mean, there's other ways to...get it, but if I was paying, that would be far too much. "
Good point, the after years are a solid addition, especially if you miss that 16 bit era RPG feel. Though the price thing I don't think is too bad, the shorter stories are only 300 points per and offer a couple of hours of gameplay. Might be cheaper on the cell phone versions or w/e but 3 dollars is not much per how much content is in each episode.
#38 Edited by Geno (6477 posts) -
@Al3xand3r said: 

So, from not seeing any critic praise, now you have to see praise from everyone to consider it may be worthwhile? Like I told you to go see the average score and I didn't specifically say that several of the big outlets rated those games highly. Ie, Eurogamer, GameSpot, NWR, GamePro, Jolt Online, CVG, GameSpy, 1UP,  Edge, IGN, Destructoid, and others. And you didn't see any positive opinions? As for user comments, how do you qualify which to believe and which not to? You made a ridiculous claim that was flat out false and now try to save it by moving the goalposts and posting absolute crap about how I only saw one off-hand comment or whatever made up shit. Get real. Torchlight isn't niche, it's a freaking Diablo clone, and yes, at first only those into indie games anticipated and hyped it, but guess what, NeoGAF has plenty of those people within, including myself. Dwarf Fortress has more pages on NeoGAF than plenty other games, many of which I'm sure you enjoy. And it's free so anyone can play and post about it. It seems the only real qualifier that would suit your needs is for you to basically agree with the positive impressions of others, whether because you like the games yourself, or because you can see their quality even if you aren't really into them. I'm sorry, bad news: opinions differ. "

I was originally going to ignore your ramble but after I saw you edit it heavily after I had already posted a response, I decided to post an all-new response. I hope everybody understands that I have no problem with a quality-ordered list of Wii games, but somebody has to set this guy straight, I'm tired of his trolling.  
 
- First of all, I never said that I needed to see praise "from everyone", at the very least if a game were to qualify as a fan favorite it should have good reception or a good following from the fans. 73 user metacritic and next to no fanbase is much closer to mediocre than good. Compare with the rating pattern of Mount and Blade, and its following (183 pages of purely mods).  
 
- You cherry pick a bunch of publications that gave the highest scores and completely ignore the lower spectrums (which also included major publications). Then you accuse me of just that when it's entirely opposite; I take aggregate scores as a whole. For every 9/10 the game got it also got a 5/10 review. And this was from both the fans and the critics. 

- You then shoot yourself in the foot and post a thread from NeoGAF with only 5 (closer to 4) pages; you realize that routine NDP reports get more posts right? In addition, more than half of that entire thread was posted pre-release, i.e. hyping. Yeah, real nice following. Next time post one with a single page with just the press release information, that would convince me even more that a game has a strong following.  
 
- You then seem to have the delusion that once a game is a Diablo clone it isn't niche. Because an air fighter game and a super monkey ball clone are totally original. Gameplay style has nothing to do with niche or non-niche, it has to do with publicity. 
 
- Then the last line is golden. The only qualifer that would suit my needs is if I agree with positive impression for a game I've played or agree with a positive impression for a game I haven't played. It'd be quite impossible for me to agree with the positive impression for a game that I've neither played or not played. But I know what you mean, and it's still invalid. Coming back to the first point, positive impressions for a game are obvious unless you're being intentionally unreasonable like I suspect you are. And if you think a couple dozen or so posters on Neogaf, a board of tens of thousands, consists of a strong following well then I just don't know what to say to you. 
#39 Edited by Al3xand3r (7574 posts) -
@Geno said:

- You cherry pick a bunch of publications that gave the highest scores and completely ignore the lower spectrums (which also included major publications). Then you accuse me of just that when it's entirely opposite; I take aggregate scores as a whole. For every 9/10 the game got it also got a 5/10 review. And this was from both the fans and the critics.

You said "I have heard acclaim neither from players or critics" and I showed you much of both is easy to find. You didn't say how much you wanted to see for it to actually count toward your acceptance of the title as worthwhile, you just said you had seen none of it. The average being low or not makes absolutely no difference to the fact there is such acclaim that is easy to find so you made that statement either while being ignorant to such obvious facts or because you wanted to lie to promote your views further. I don't care either way, it was proven wrong and twisting shit around won't change that. Perhaps you wanted to make a different point. Perhaps you want to tell Meo to only put up games that have a certain metacritic average (lol). Go ahead and ask that instead of make shit up, please.

@Geno said: 

- First of all, I never said that I needed to see praise "from everyone", at the very least if a game were to qualify as a fan favorite it should have good reception or a good following from the fans"

You said "I have heard acclaim neither from players or critics" and I showed you much of both is easy to find. You didn't say how much you wanted to see for it to actually count toward your acceptance of the title as worthwhile, you just said you had seen none of it. The average being low or not makes absolutely no difference to the fact there is such acclaim that is easy to find so you made that statement either while being ignorant to such obvious facts or because you wanted to lie to promote your views further. I don't care either way, it was proven wrong and twisting shit around won't change that. Perhaps you wanted to make a different point. Perhaps you want to tell Meo to only put up games that have a certain metacritic average (lol). Go ahead and ask that instead of make shit up, please.

@Geno said:

- You then shoot yourself in the foot and post a thread from NeoGAF with only 5 (closer to 4) pages; you realize that routine NDP reports get more posts right? In addition, more than half of that entire thread was posted pre-release, i.e. hyping. Yeah, real nice following. Next time post one with a single page with just the press release information, that would convince me even more that a game has a strong following.

You said "I have heard acclaim neither from players or critics" and I showed you much of both is easy to find. You didn't say how much you wanted to see for it to actually count toward your acceptance of the title as worthwhile, you just said you had seen none of it. The average being low or not makes absolutely no difference to the fact there is such acclaim that is easy to find so you made that statement either while being ignorant to such obvious facts or because you wanted to lie to promote your views further. I don't care either way, it was proven wrong and twisting shit around won't change that. Perhaps you wanted to make a different point. Perhaps you want to tell Meo to only put up games that have a certain metacritic average (lol). Go ahead and ask that instead of make shit up, please.

@Geno said:

- You then seem to have the delusion that once a game is a Diablo clone it isn't niche. Because an air fighter game and a super monkey ball clone are totally original. Gameplay style has nothing to do with niche or non-niche, it has to do with publicity.

What does being niche have to do with being original? Niche has to do with the theoritical appeal of the genre and type of game. If I make a Diablo clone, I know that type of game appeals to the masses. If mine will manage to reach out to them is a different matter reliant on many other factors, and not just if it's an actually good game. Not every game that undersold is suddenly niche.

Overall, lol.
#40 Edited by Geno (6477 posts) -
@Al3xand3r said:

The average being low or not makes absolutely no difference to the fact there is such acclaim that is easy to find so you made that statement either while being ignorant to such obvious facts or because you wanted to lie to promote your views further. 

So if a game got a single 90 score and a bunch of 50's, ending up with a score of 60 then that game is acclaimed? 

@Al3xand3r

said:

"What does being niche have to do with being original? Niche has to do with the theoritical appeal of the genre and type of game, not publicity. If I make a Diablo clone, I know that type of game appeals to the masses. If mine will manage to reach out to them is a different matter reliant on many other factors, and not just if it's an actually good game. Not every game that undersold is niche, otherwise Sky Crawlers would qualify and that's something you don't accept, therefor such half assed definitions clearly don't apply.

Any game can sell well with enough publicity. Any game can fail without enough of it. You're essentially implying that anyone who makes a Diablo clone will succeed; this is simply not the case, many Diablo clones fail and draw no attention from either the mass audience or indie gamers. It's because Torchlight was so well-done that it was successful. In addition it's basically as popular as it is now through word of mouth alone. Sky Crawlers would qualify IF it had a reasonably strong following or a strong user score, of which it has neither. That is, unless half a room full of people out of tens of thousands, or a mediocre user and critic score indicating a complete lack of consensus seem enough to you. 
 

@Al3xand3r

said:

Overall, lol. "

 Lol indeed. I knew dealing with a troll was a mistake, goodbye.      
#41 Edited by Al3xand3r (7574 posts) -
@Geno said:

"So if a game got a single 90 score and a bunch of 50's, ending up with a score of 60 then that game is acclaimed?"

I don't know, that's not the situation here, but if you say "noone gave that game a good review" then you'll be wrong as you were in this case where you implied there was no acclaim (by saying you had seen none, implying you had looked around) and I showed at least 10 high profile sources, skipping plenty more that were lesser, that did provide that acclaim. Face it, you can't twist your bullshit around and come on top. Drown in it.
 
@Geno said:

You're essentially implying that anyone who makes a Diablo clone will succeed;"

Uh, no I'm not. Lol. Here, I'll help you:

@Al3xand3r said:

What does being niche have to do with being original? Niche has to do with the theoritical appeal of the genre and type of game. If I make a Diablo clone, I know that type of game appeals to the masses. If mine will manage to reach out to them is a different matter reliant on many other factors, and not just if it's an actually good game. Not every game that undersold is suddenly niche.

How the fuck does the bolded imply that every Diablo clone ever is going to be succesful? The fuck are you smoking tonight? And no, publicity isn't the only thing you need to sell, you also need a game that will appeal to tons of people, ie, NOT A NICHE TYPE OF GAME. Otherwise why the fuck would companies literally waste millions to create the games they do now and not hire 3 dudes to make ASCII roguelikes to sell them to just as many people with 50 - 500 times less development cost and just the same advertising, ie publicity cost, duh.

Overall, lol.
#42 Posted by AgentJ (8778 posts) -
@Geno: @Al3xand3r:  
You two have totally hijacked this thread. If you are going to continue it, why don't you take it outside?
#43 Posted by Hailinel (25203 posts) -
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#44 Posted by Meowayne (6084 posts) -
Geno:
 
Just in general, there are a lot of 70-ish titles in this thread, this will always be the case with Wii games; many titles in the "fan favourites" are not there because of the score, but because of the impression I got when reading in Wii forums. I will defend Sky Crawlers; that game's control scheme turned a lot of people off (including most reviewers), but it is still enjoyed by many.
 
I will, however, take off  Mercury Meltdown. Not necessarily because of your points, but mainly because I mistook it for Marble Saga: Kororinpa. :D
 
Hailinel:

Final Fantasy IV: The After Years was destroyed by the critics, that's why I didn't include it. I don't know, I haven't played it?
#45 Posted by Meowayne (6084 posts) -
@Geno said:
Ok, with that aside, I would also like to ask why No More Heroes isn't in the "Must Have" category while NMH2 is?  "
Because there are many things that I think prevent No More Heroes from being an all-around great game, all of which "Desperate Struggle" fixed. Extreme repetition and simplicity, horrible "level" design, the bland overworld and the technical side, short length. I would only carefully recommend NMH to people, whereas NMH2 is just a very finely crafted package that does almost everything right.
 
It is similar to Boom Blox. Even though Boom Blox is a brilliant game, Bash Party makes it obsolete. That's why the second game is a must-have and the first game doesn't even appear on there. Because NMH2 doesn't make NMH obsolete, both games are on there - but with different levels of recommendation.
#46 Posted by Godwind (2597 posts) -
@Meowayne: 
 
I would like to see The Grinder removed.  It makes me cringe seeing it there.  The Conduit burned me as a consumer.
#47 Posted by demontium (4710 posts) -
@Meowayne: Another great topic.  
 
Please anchor.
#48 Posted by JJWeatherman (14564 posts) -

I don't get why Silent Hill and Tiger Woods 10's spots aren't switched. Makes more sense to me according to your description of each category. Then again there are probably a few more I would change as well. Those two just jumped out at me the most as being placed wrong.

#49 Posted by demontium (4710 posts) -
@Meowayne: IMO zack and wiki is must have... 
 
and all "which game should I get" should be asked here.
#50 Posted by Meowayne (6084 posts) -

 I don't get why Silent Hill and Tiger Woods 10's spots aren't switched. Makes more sense to me according to your description of each category.

I admit that there is a tint of my SH fanboyism involved; I regard Shattered Memories as one of the best titles of the last ten years and one of the few games that do interactive storytelling right, so I cannot do anything but put it right at the top - even though, yes, the mixed reviews indicate that a good number of people for some reason cannot get warm with the title. However, the fact that it received two GOTY awards (Best Wii Game, Best Ending) on this site I will take as justification to leave it there.
 
Tiger Woods 10 might be a nearly faultless genre title, but its target audience is extremely limited. It's a golf game. I have it, and I enjoyed what time I spent with it - but I would never call it a must-have title. Even though it gathered AAA scores all around, very few people even cared.
 

  IMO zack and wiki is must have...

Is this the general opinion? Its not the first time this has come up. Yes, it is a lengthy, challenging, very cool adventure game with one of the best Wii controls ever, but I cannot blame anyone who plays Z&W and says: This is completely retarded.  The save system and sound design alone make this a title very hard to recommend.
Any more input on this? Zack & Wiki as a Must-Have title?

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